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blaise213
Post #16
Wednesday September 13, 2017 10:01am

Joined Sep 2012
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We're not that good anymore. We're mediocre...
We still have idiot coaches who keep relying on the same old players and tactics. First time I admit that the US team is garbage. Not enough up and coming youngsters mixed with sorry ass old players who cant take on a player 1 vs 1.

Rey Regicide
Post #17
Wednesday September 13, 2017 1:09pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,965
I keep watching MLs specials.

They did one on Lee Nguyen. He had McCarty, Davies, commenting on how skilled, how incredible a player he is.

I think he's good. On a fifa scale (it's because of the metrics that I bring it up) He's a 74 but his function is unlike the other players.

I look at McCarty, Davies, and think these guys should have replaced Beckerman (5 6 years his senior) and kept them out of the 14 World cup, possibly even being on the2010 edition. But that never happened.

The result? We lose Jermaine Jones and we have a hole in midfield. Truth be told we lost the hole that Beckerman was too (CDM 2014 was one of our stronger spots.)

So this inability to replace these players is probably the biggest issue. Along with someone like Gonzalez who clearly was of the new btach, age 20 in 2010, ready to be THAT GUY at CB and he gets replaced essentially by Besler and Cameron (Brooks is just a better player than Gonzo.

It it really someone's fault?

Are they coddled US stars? (yea I get it Lalas, you didn't make any money while you played... sucks to be that fore runner) Not in the financial sense, but in the here's your tasks and we're aware of your technical deficiencies. We can get by those by being in this league.

Who's fault is that in the end?

Rey Regicide
Post #18
Wednesday September 13, 2017 1:11pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,965
Original post from boirte

Typically I have just stopped by the forums, but I can't help myself on this one, so pardon my rant:

Full transparency, I had little respect for Lalas as a player and have an even lesser opinion of him as a commentator.

Also, I have never understood former players waxing philosophical on matters like this. Was current player X really thinking: "Oh, I thought we were doing great, but Lalas has a fair point" or "Gosh, Alexi is right, what are we doing."

That said, it is his right. He is also employed as a commentator, so some might say it is job, but...

1) Tattooed? Really? Aesthetic preferences aside, it is not as if Lalas' appearance was conservative in his day. So what is the relevance?

2) Millionaires? - Maybe, but not directly from playing for the USMNT. The implication is that they lack the blue-color work ethic of prior teams, but Germany, Spain, France, etc. do ok fielding millionaires.

3) Cameron and Howard played poorly. Agreed. That's not a secret or news. Some will always make excuses, but how was that helpful?

4) Dempsey not a leader? Does he know that? Is Dempsey being disruptive? Other than, I suppose, the results, what indication is there that he is failing as this responsibility.

4) Pulisic - his criticism is he is not relevant enough to criticize? From what I have seen, Puli didn't give himself a nickname or present himself as anything other than relatively humble and a good teammate. Again, maybe there are things Lalas knows, I don't.

Anyway, sure, if you care about the team, you watch them have poor results, I guess it's psychically satisfying to have someone scold the players on TV, but if I took myself as seriously as Lalas appears to, and had that forum, I would be embarrassed that, that is the best "analysis" I could muster.


not everyone owns experience in coordinating, coaching kids/individuals and a grasp of tactics.

everyone owns feelings and experience in subjective analysis

dolcem
Post #19
Wednesday September 13, 2017 4:59pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,755
Original post from blaise213

We're not that good anymore. We're mediocre...
We still have idiot coaches who keep relying on the same old players and tactics. First time I admit that the US team is garbage. Not enough up and coming youngsters mixed with sorry ass old players who cant take on a player 1 vs 1.


When did we ever have players that could "take on a player 1 vs 1"?
GET A CLUB TEAM
navi8132
New York
Post #20
Wednesday September 13, 2017 5:04pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,749
Original post from dolcem

When did we ever have players that could "take on a player 1 vs 1"?


You know......I can't think of one. We've had players who could do it while in a counterattack already at full sprint (Donovan and other speedsters), but I can't think of a single one who can/could do it from a standing still start point....

Rey Regicide
Post #21
Wednesday September 13, 2017 5:12pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,965
Original post from dolcem

When did we ever have players that could "take on a player 1 vs 1"?


Hugo Perez most definitely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyDyj8Cnj60

but don't tell Blaise that uh... that dude was born in El Salvador

.. =D

Rey Regicide
Post #22
Wednesday September 13, 2017 5:19pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,965
also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkfdocCVHkk

is this team play that's allowing Adu to make those plays?

Rey Regicide
Post #23
Wednesday September 13, 2017 5:22pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,965
Someone is going ot go eddie mruphy at the barber shop "there he goes THERE HE GOES WHENEVER SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT A 10 HE ALWAYS BRINGS UP FREDDY ADU, FREDDY FREDDY FREDDY FREDDY"

Rey Regicide
Post #24
Friday September 15, 2017 12:42pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,965
oh man no love for Hugo Perez

dolcem
Post #25
Friday September 15, 2017 3:24pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,755
Original post from Rey Regicide

oh man no love for Hugo Perez


Most of us are too young to remember him. I had just turned 7 at the time of the '94 World Cup and didn't even know it was happening.

Yeah, Freddy Adu could take players one on one...when he was match fit. Which hasn't been for years.

Pulisic can too. But not when he's double-teamed and doesn't have any help.

That's about it. For our entire history. So this idea that we've become "mediocre" and unskilled is ridiculous because it has always been that way. The team played some attractive soccer in 2013-14, but other than that, it has always been defend and counter (at best) or just plain bunkerball.

Also, I didn't really like the players' reactions to Lalas's criticism. Not one of them admitted that the team is not playing as well it should. I think there is a bit of a sense of entitlement. If any other country's national team struggles, someone gets criticized. Here we're still stuck in traditional USNT thought-processes that hold that the fans' and media's job is to cheerlead the national team no matter what. But we're better than that now.
GET A CLUB TEAM
hamsamwich
Post #26
Friday September 15, 2017 4:34pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,516
Lalas only said what we are all thinking. I mean people grandfathered in Howard and that's what he ended up looking like. As for his Bradley and zen comment, he couldn't be more spot on. What is Bradley talking about most of the time? His performances are just as confusing. As for Pulisic comment, that's not harsh. These players including Pulisic are the ones playing and it's fine for people like me and the other Arena haters to part blame the coach but come on guys.

Lalas and the 94 crew are jealous as Gomez said. Both angles are correct- that the team sucks and that Lalas is a tool.

Rey Regicide
Post #27
Friday September 15, 2017 5:55pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,965
I don't think Lalas is saying they suck. We're saying that. Lalas is saying they aren't trying hard enough because they're coddled. Maybe extending that MLS money they're getting, cush job where you don't have to earn your keep.

They just look like deer in the headlights after watching several deer get plowed over in the road.

bjelks
Post #28
Saturday September 16, 2017 2:15am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 407
John Obrien was the best 1on1 player we've ever had and he could play eery position on the field and defend the other team's best playmaker
goalsense
chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #29
Saturday September 16, 2017 5:54am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,298
Wynalda was pretty shifty. It didn't look like much was going on, but he had a knack for getting by defenders.

2006 Deuce was pretty good 1 v 1

I loved JOB's game...he was really an all around stellar player when healthy....which was probably about 10 games total.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #30
Sunday September 17, 2017 1:42am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 862
Young Donovan and Beasley made things happen in space going at defenders.

And yes this generation is entitled. They don't have to try to make it in Europe because MLS pays them ungodly $ to play in the league. And the league isn't good enough to house all your best NT players.

I just don't get where our next gen players are. Sans Puli. Who are the young players we're suppose to be excited about and push these older guys out? Arriola? Morris? Zardes? Our player development is a joke. Of course MB plays in Zen and does nothing out there. No one is even close to replacing him. Hell, we have people on here getting hard ons for Nagbe because he can dribble around a guy or 2 when we're playing T&T or Panama. The guy has 4 goals in the last 2 MLS seasons and has a starting 11 spot on our NT. LOLOL.

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