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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #16
Friday July 14, 2017 7:09pm

Joined Mar 2014
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Original post from navi8132

We should probably be placing Brooks Lennon too.


I skipped him as a 4-3-3 F who'd play in the 3 in a 4-2-3-1.
I don't know his game well enough to say "yeah, he's also a middy".

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #17
Saturday July 15, 2017 10:53pm

Joined May 2013
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Not based on what league they play in (don't care), just what I think works on the field for the Nats

Tier I
Pulisic, MB, potentially Cameron.....this would be my preferred spine in the middle

Tier I.5
Lletget, Nagbe, Fab

Tier II
McCarty, Zardes, Acosta, Arriola, potentially Saeif...

Tier II.5
Roldan, Rowe, Bedoya

Lot of young guys...Adams, D Jones, McKinnie, De la Torre

He's not there yet but the guy to watch out for is Jackson Yueill. Doing great things for the Quakes now in their 3-5-2. The comparisons to a young pre injury Stu are legit...he's a phenomenal passer.

bjelks
Post #18
Sunday July 16, 2017 12:14am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 363
How anyone rates a 19 yr old first team player in Bundesliga the same as MLS and Championship players of the same age the same level blows my mind
goalsense
mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #19
Sunday July 16, 2017 12:21am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,850
Dial that back man. Your hardcore takes are starting to get exhausting.

A 'tier' is not the same as 'is exactly as good as'.
I think Pulisic's on a tier by himself, as do you, but chris thinks about it differently.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #20
Sunday July 16, 2017 1:05am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,184
Yeah, I'm just approaching Tier I as it relates to the nats as 100% essential midfield lock starter. I'm not comparing Puli's skill level 1 v 1 with MB or anyone else.

Of course now I'll have to debate MB as essential...haha. I still maintain MB between Cameron and Pulisic would be pretty damn good.

But I sure someone will tell me their midfield of three 18 year old #10s would be way better up the spine at the WC.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #21
Sunday July 16, 2017 2:02am

Joined Mar 2014
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Yeah, "what could go wrong" with three 18 year old #10s???

hamsamwich
Post #22
Sunday July 16, 2017 3:11am

Joined Oct 2013
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How Williams didn't make tier 1.5 - I just won't know @chris. He's better than Lletget and Nagbe for my money, let alone Acosta or McCarty. I'm assuming you forgot him just like Bruce Arena has. His ability to play the midfield is right up there with Bradley, Cameron and Johnson.

I think against better teams I would have Pulisic below the striker in a 4-2-3-1 with Cameron and Brooks in defense and Bradley and Williams in the midfield with Williams farther forward.

--- Pulisic --
Bradley - Williams
Brooks - Cameron

That's a decent spine, all of those guys can pass and cover ground. I think it's the best we have.

Dave
Post #23
Sunday July 16, 2017 4:20am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 682
Original post from hamsamwich

How Williams didn't make tier 1.5 - I just won't know @chris. He's better than Lletget and Nagbe for my money, let alone Acosta or McCarty. I'm assuming you forgot him just like Bruce Arena has. His ability to play the midfield is right up there with Bradley, Cameron and Johnson.

I think against better teams I would have Pulisic below the striker in a 4-2-3-1 with Cameron and Brooks in defense and Bradley and Williams in the midfield with Williams farther forward.

-- Pulisic -
Bradley - Williams
Brooks - Cameron

That's a decent spine, all of those guys can pass and cover ground. I think it's the best we have.


The start of the European season is going to have significant importance for determining the depth options for the USMNT under Bruce.
1) Williams - New club, New Coach, New League. If he hits the ground running putting in positive performances than I can't see how Arena could leave him out of the discussion. EPL players seeing consistent minutes are still few & far between for the US, and cannot be overlooked unless there's some kind of personality conflict.
2) Gooch, Saief, Green - We need options on the Wing. If these 3 can can show positive performances they'll be in contention for back-up rolls. Especially considering how poor the GC players performed.
3) Hyndman could be that back-up to CP in the hole behind the forward(s). He'll need to get healthy and then show his worth is higher than Corona. I wasn't all that impressed with Joe so think there is still an open challenge between Corona, Hyndman & Saief.
4) The situations with Miazga & CCV could play a role in deciding the back-ups for the CB's, but it may be a case of too little to late.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #24
Sunday July 16, 2017 6:08am

Joined Mar 2014
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Can we stop abbreviating Christian Pulisic 'CP'?
kthx

mandela
Post #25
Monday July 17, 2017 12:58am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 50
My 23 today:

GK: Hamid, Horvath, Howard

Defenders: Yedlin, fabj, Lichaj, Villafana, Cameron, Brooks, Miazga, opara

mids: Bradley, Williams, benny, Nguyen, nagbe, manneh, pulisic

Attackers: Deuce, Altidore, Morris, wood, agudelo,

GD10
Post #26
Monday July 17, 2017 3:00am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 268
Benny and Lee are not international caliber players. They are old too, we need to keep riding Acosta.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #27
Monday July 17, 2017 7:57am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,850
GD10, IF we want to run a formation with a real AM, then we need Pulisic and a backup. That backup for 2018 might be Nguyen, to my way of thinking, or it might be Agudelo. It might be a few others, but it can't be a #8 trying to play like he's a #10 in a 4-2-3-1 or we are going to lose, lose, lose.

Rey Regicide
Post #28
Monday July 17, 2017 12:44pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,738
Lee Nguyen is 30.

World Cup i s literally next year. We're not trying to groom Nguyen for the future. We need plays today. Much like Rowe was making plays, much like Nagbe will be making plays in the near future.

I don't get why we feel we need to groom 23 year olds. Acosta is literally the starter and against B level talent he's showing that he MAY not be up to speed, at this point. To me it should have been Acosta in the Rowe spot. Getting acclimated in reduced personnel squads, getting time off the bench.

Rowe's speed right now is literally intl level, he makes every play quickly. He doesn't have the skill of Nguyen, or even Acosta, but the fact that he thinks quicker than our midfielder these past few games has made the contributions to our scores.

Feilhaber was a player intl level, Bradley JK successively decided against him. Cest la vie. I contend that Valdivia wouldn't play for us. We want 10's that look like wingers or Forwards because it suits the more direct style.

Know Nothing
Post #29
Monday July 17, 2017 3:12pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from Dave

The start of the European season is going to have significant importance for determining the depth options for the USMNT under Bruce.
1) Williams - New club, New Coach, New League. If he hits the ground running putting in positive performances than I can't see how Arena could leave him out of the discussion. EPL players seeing consistent minutes are still few & far between for the US, and cannot be overlooked unless there's some kind of personality conflict.
2) Gooch, Saief, Green - We need options on the Wing. If these 3 can can show positive performances they'll be in contention for back-up rolls. Especially considering how poor the GC players performed.
3) Hyndman could be that back-up to CP in the hole behind the forward(s). He'll need to get healthy and then show his worth is higher than Corona. I wasn't all that impressed with Joe so think there is still an open challenge between Corona, Hyndman & Saief.
4) The situations with Miazga & CCV could play a role in deciding the back-ups for the CB's, but it may be a case of too little to late.


1) Williams - agree, but he is joining a new team. he will get minutes, whether he is a regular starter is a different story.

2) Agree, but if he returns to almost full form, Lletget will be in the conversation here too.

3) I see Hyndmann as more of an 8 than a 10.

4) I think both will be out on loan this year. I would suspect Miazga will get a Championship loan this year...probably the same for CCV. It would not be surprising to see CCV used as a DM for his loan club. Mentioning that, if Spurs take Man U's money for Dier I could see CCV possibly getting PL minutes for Spurs.

Dave
Post #30
Tuesday July 18, 2017 12:37am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 682
Original post from Know Nothing

1) Williams - agree, but he is joining a new team. he will get minutes, whether he is a regular starter is a different story.

2) Agree, but if he returns to almost full form, Lletget will be in the conversation here too.

3) I see Hyndmann as more of an 8 than a 10.

4) I think both will be out on loan this year. I would suspect Miazga will get a Championship loan this year...probably the same for CCV. It would not be surprising to see CCV used as a DM for his loan club. Mentioning that, if Spurs take Man U's money for Dier I could see CCV possibly getting PL minutes for Spurs.


I agree that Hyndmann is more of an 8 than a 10, but he is pretty good at making those crucial splitting passes in the final 3rd. IMO put him at the tip of a triangle midfield trio and I think he'd do well creating things.
Nagbe & Lletget could also play that CAM position if needed. So can Saief & Gooch from what I've heard/read. The versatility of these 4 players being able to play wide or centrally raises their standings within the player pool IMO. This is why I was so disappointed with the approach that USSF took for the GC. It would have been a perfect opportunity to integrate useful players....instead we get Pontious.

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