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navi8132
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Post #1
Thursday July 13, 2017 5:41pm

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Assuming you go with an A-team line up in 2018 of:

--Wood-Dempsey
Nagbe-Pulisic--Lleget
---Bradley
Fabian-Brooks-Cam-Yedlin

After the A-team, what is the ranking of midfielders (IN INTERNATIONAL PLAY)? There is not that much depth. I would rank the rest as follows:

Above Average: Rowe, Zardes, DWilliams, Feilhaber, Klejstan, Manneh (a gamble), GCameron (as DM).

Average: Hyndman (don't know enough about him), Bedoya (so many shots to the moon), Arriola, Acosta (this Gold Cup has dropped him down to average), McCarty, JJones, Saeif, Lee Nyugen, LGooch, Corona

Below Average: Roldan, Pontius

(None of us know anything about Weston McKinnie)

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #2
Thursday July 13, 2017 5:56pm

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My 23 today:

GK: Guzan, Horvath, Howard

Defenders: Yedlin, Chandler, Lichaj, Villafana, Cameron, Brooks, Miazga, Zimmerman

CM's: Bradley, Acosta, Williams, McCarty, Bedoya

Attackers: Deuce, Altidore, Morris, Pulisic, Nagbe, Zardes, Rowe

goods
Post #3
Thursday July 13, 2017 6:42pm

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@2tone interested as to why no Fabio. His versatility has to be esential

Rey Regicide
Post #4
Thursday July 13, 2017 7:47pm

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There is no way on Earth Rowe is better than Lee Nguyen.

If you're saying these rankings are to show who can best contribute to our team probably but even then I think Lee properly placed can still give us quality.

navi8132
New York
Post #5
Thursday July 13, 2017 8:04pm

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Just based on current info on intl level. I agree, if Lee Nguyen was given chances he'd probably rise higher. Still, the core point is that Arena is not picking the best midfielders (those who can pass, be creative, and HAVE CONFIDENCE/GRIT). He seems to give players a shot, then gives up on them, and ends up playing favorites with the subpar players (who probably play well in practice): ie. Zusi, Bedoya, etc.

navi8132
New York
Post #6
Thursday July 13, 2017 8:25pm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezTgPWXv_SE

Manneh

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #7
Thursday July 13, 2017 9:35pm

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Original post from navi8132
Manneh


At some point, yeah. Isn't he having a crap season right now??

navi8132
New York
Post #8
Thursday July 13, 2017 9:38pm

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Injury issues were hurting him, he'll get back in form, plus he is young. He has a lot of qualities that fit the international game, speed and dribbling skill.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #9
Friday July 14, 2017 1:34am

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Ok, navi, I'll play your little game.
I'm not going to count 4-2-3-1 wingers who would not be 4-4-2 wingers (Morris, McNamara, etc)
I am partly adjusting for what I know about their present form.
There is no particular order to the names in a given tier.

Tier 1: Pulisic

Tier 2: Bradley (not as AM, must have at least 3 in front of him)
Cameron (whom we need elsewhere), FabJo, Nagbe

Tier 2.1:
Lletget (if he comes back well), Nguyen, Saief

Tier 3, the crowded tier:
Acosta, Corona, Feilhaber, Klejstan, Rowe, Williams
(also, this is where I'd put Villafaña as WB or 4-4-2 mid, and Yedlin as WB)

Tier 3.1, the 'need more info ASAP' tier:
Arriola, Gooch, Hairston, Hyndman, Manneh,
Roldan (can't judge him on one game, guys)

Tier 4, the shrug tier:
Bedoya, McCarty (his experience should have had him look less shaky), Zardes (needs to make progress)

Tier 4.1, the players to track tier:
Finlay, Ibarra, Polster, Trapp, buncha U-20 players like Adams (not playing much?) and Jones and De La Torre, Kitchen, Morales, Torres (I have no idea how he's doing)

Tier 5, thanks but no thanks:
Pontius (too slow), Shea (maybe too dumb to own a pair of scissors), Diskerud (unless he plays his way back into the picture)

Tier #?, the dudes I don't know about: Kiesewetter, Rubin, the guy I forgot about on purpose to make you mad, buncha other dudes I don't know about

navi8132
New York
Post #10
Friday July 14, 2017 1:43am

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We know so little of Saeif, why rate so high?

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #11
Friday July 14, 2017 1:50am

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Yeah, Saief should be on my 3.1 tier.
I wish I could say I was drunk for that, but I'm not.

bjelks
Post #12
Friday July 14, 2017 1:55am

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What premier or Bundesluga team do you think bradley, Klejstein, Corona or Rowe could start for right now? Let alone be a 1st team regular.
goalsense
Dave
Post #13
Friday July 14, 2017 2:30am

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I'll play along....
Tier 1 (Starters in top EU leagues):
Pulisic, Fabian, Cameron
Tier 2 (Sometime Starters in top EU leagues):
Bradley, Nagbe, Acosta, Gooch*
*was a part-time starter before injury. Will see where he stands once season starts
Tier 3 (EU Bench or Starters in lower EU leagues):
Williams, Saief, Hyndman, Green, Arriola, Lletget, Kitchen, Gyau
Tier 4 (Insufficient information to place):
Manneh, Rowe, McKennie, De La Torre, Canouse, Adams, Arce, Senora, Wright, Perez, Jones

Tier 5 (Guys with some kind of issue - Age/attitude/etc...):
Bedoya, Zusi, Feilhaber, J. Jones, McCarty, Pontious, Kljestan, Nguyen, Torres,

navi8132
New York
Post #14
Friday July 14, 2017 2:26pm

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We should probably be placing Brooks Lennon too.

MSantoine
Post #15
Friday July 14, 2017 5:05pm

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Original post from bjelks

What premier or Bundesluga team do you think bradley, Klejstein, Corona or Rowe could start for right now? Let alone be a 1st team regular.


Bradley - Put him in the same caliber as Chandler. The group of teams that fight to get the last Europa League spot.

Sacha K - Teams trying to avoid relegation that need a veteran to avoid the drop until there young guys are ready (Hudds, Hannover, B&A)

Corona - 2.bundes/championship

Rowe - Teams that shouldnt be in relegation fight but ilkely wont push for europe (like Cameon). Think West Ham, Werder Bremen, Wolfsburg (usually), WBA

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