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stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #106
Monday August 28, 2017 3:50pm

Joined Oct 2014
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Original post from Know Nothing

Nah, Miazga failed to thump the ball downfield and opted for the accurate pass to feet. He also failed to do the mandatory spin and chase the striker sprint that Hedges excels at. Can't have this type of defender in the squad.


hahahaha, Ya I just don't get it, at least we brought in Lijac but then again we included Zusi as well.
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db707
Post #107
Monday August 28, 2017 4:23pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,083
Would love to hear the whole story on Chandler some day. Given our available talent (without our starter at the position), a Bundesliga starter should be getting in our 26 without question, unless there are really other issues (which may also have contributed to his tepid performances for us in the past).

goods
Post #108
Monday August 28, 2017 7:30pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 565
I am not upset by Miazga coming in for this camp. He missed an entire summer of team training. For his club career and future USMNT career probably best to leave him behind so he can work towards starting vs coming off the bench. If he went to the camp that could set him back a number of weeks with his club.

While I would like to have seen Williams get the call up he is still on the bench. I would rather see him stay and work to starting vs coming off the bench.

I would rather see younger kids called in. But if we get the 1% chance of qualifying done, than you can have a camp Cupcake in October and November for Europeans and Mexican based players. MLS will be in the playoff hunt and it could be a good time for Bruce to get a look at players he has yet to see. If we are fully qualified or a tie away from qualification and I see this same group then we should question hard. But some of the guys left behind I am just not going to get worked up over YET.

Know Nothing
Post #109
Monday August 28, 2017 9:39pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,827
Original post from goods

I am not upset by Miazga coming in for this camp. He missed an entire summer of team training. For his club career and future USMNT career probably best to leave him behind so he can work towards starting vs coming off the bench. If he went to the camp that could set him back a number of weeks with his club.

While I would like to have seen Williams get the call up he is still on the bench. I would rather see him stay and work to starting vs coming off the bench.

I would rather see younger kids called in. But if we get the 1% chance of qualifying done, than you can have a camp Cupcake in October and November for Europeans and Mexican based players. MLS will be in the playoff hunt and it could be a good time for Bruce to get a look at players he has yet to see. If we are fully qualified or a tie away from qualification and I see this same group then we should question hard. But some of the guys left behind I am just not going to get worked up over YET.


Sorry, not buying it. I think this is Arena lobbying for MLS...only calling in the players he needs from Europe and hoping it doesn't blow up in his face.

He had Miazga in camp and decided not to play him except the one time...he wanted to promote MLS. This tinkering nearly cost us the match against Martinique (or whatever that country was). In the one match he played well and scored the goal that got us into first place.

He left Danny Williams behind, a guy with BPL minutes, or Weston McKinnie in favor of Dax effin McCarty?

He can trust his eyes by watching video fcs. If we fail to qualify this is squarely on Bruce.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #110
Monday August 28, 2017 9:52pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Indeed it is.

dolcem
Post #111
Monday August 28, 2017 10:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Guys there is absolutely no way we're not qualifying. We got our three hardest matches out of the way and Bruce knows CONACAF as well as anyone. He knows how to grind out victories against the Hondurases and T&Ts with MLS guys.

Playing against teams with more tactical sophistication, on the other hand, is what I'm worried about. This team has the potential for a good World Cup. We have last WC's back line, but only with more experience (in other words, the best back 4 we've ever had by far), and two extremely dangerous attacking players that have emerged (Wood and Pulisic) since then. We'll get Altidore this time, for better or for worse, Bedoya could still be there, and Bradley couldn't possibly stink as much as he did last time. I can't see anyone as bad as Zusi or Davis starting for us this time around, and the chances of us getting another group like that are pretty slim. So on paper, I'm excited for the World Cup, but I have a feeling it'll be a repeat of 2010. Get out of the group stage through sheer determination and then falter in the round of 16 because of poor tactical preparation.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #112
Monday August 28, 2017 10:19pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
I didn't say we weren't.
I agree with the conditional statement: 'IF we fail to qualify this is squarely on Bruce.'
...though I would give Klinsy a piece of the blame, too.

goods
Post #113
Monday August 28, 2017 11:49pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 565
Original post from Know Nothing

Sorry, not buying it. I think this is Arena lobbying for MLS...only calling in the players he needs from Europe and hoping it doesn't blow up in his face.

He had Miazga in camp and decided not to play him except the one time...he wanted to promote MLS. This tinkering nearly cost us the match against Martinique (or whatever that country was). In the one match he played well and scored the goal that got us into first place.

He left Danny Williams behind, a guy with BPL minutes, or Weston McKinnie in favor of Dax effin McCarty?

He can trust his eyes by watching video fcs. If we fail to qualify this is squarely on Bruce.


Williams, Miazga, Weston are not starting. As a fan I would rather see them stay with their clubs earn starting roles and then bring them in for November and maybe October matches. Williams is a Chandler to me, he has never impressed me with National team. Why bring Miazga when he has been with his team for three weeks? And Weston needs to continue forcing himself on the pitch. Would rather see him stay at Schalke then come to the US for a week and a half.

Know Nothing
Post #114
Tuesday August 29, 2017 4:26am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,827
Original post from goods

Williams, Miazga, Weston are not starting. As a fan I would rather see them stay with their clubs earn starting roles and then bring them in for November and maybe October matches. Williams is a Chandler to me, he has never impressed me with National team. Why bring Miazga when he has been with his team for three weeks? And Weston needs to continue forcing himself on the pitch. Would rather see him stay at Schalke then come to the US for a week and a half.


True, but talent has to count for something and we cannot take our position for granted. Would Hedges get any minutes in the Eridivisie given his showing in the Gold Cup? Would McCarty even make the bench for a BPL or Bundesliga team?

Williams is versatile, has played RB in the BPL.

goods
Post #115
Tuesday August 29, 2017 6:08am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 565
At this point you go with experience. Let the youth from Europe come in for October and November camps. I think there is an extreme outside shot of qualifying this round, and if that happens you can have a European version of camp Cupcake that will happen in January. But at least November needs to be young Mexican league and Euro league players.

hamsamwich
Post #116
Tuesday August 29, 2017 1:24pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,446
@dolcem- so Costa Rica is gonna roll over? I doubt it. I would be concerned, we need a win on Friday. And yes, it's not Mexico home or away, or even Costa Rica- but the USA's record in San Pedro Sula doesn't give me a lot of confidence we can get more than a point in Honduras either. With all the injuries and question marks (LB, CB, RB, CM, winger aside from Pulisic, etc) this looks like one of the toughest games that the usa has had to play in a while. Lots of pressure and we need to come out playing well. Allowing Costa Rica to get into the game early will then bring on the tension... (shout out to Dempsey for his goal a minute in against Ghana last World Cup, we need something similar in the first twenty minutes or so on Friday.)

Rey Regicide
Post #117
Tuesday August 29, 2017 1:39pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from dolcem

Guys there is absolutely no way we're not qualifying. We got our three hardest matches out of the way and Bruce knows CONACAF as well as anyone. He knows how to grind out victories against the Hondurases and T&Ts with MLS guys.

Playing against teams with more tactical sophistication, on the other hand, is what I'm worried about. This team has the potential for a good World Cup. We have last WC's back line, but only with more experience (in other words, the best back 4 we've ever had by far), and two extremely dangerous attacking players that have emerged (Wood and Pulisic) since then. We'll get Altidore this time, for better or for worse, Bedoya could still be there, and Bradley couldn't possibly stink as much as he did last time. I can't see anyone as bad as Zusi or Davis starting for us this time around, and the chances of us getting another group like that are pretty slim. So on paper, I'm excited for the World Cup, but I have a feeling it'll be a repeat of 2010. Get out of the group stage through sheer determination and then falter in the round of 16 because of poor tactical preparation.


Again, Dolcem, totally respect your opinion but I really beg to disagree on your assessment of 2010.

The Ghana game was purely down to personnel issue, Edu and Feilhaber should have been playing, not Clark. There wasn't inherently tactical that did us in. We were taking shots on goal but they were taken by Findley (again personnel) and a not in form Altidore. Contrast to Belgium game where we didn't look like a team until a little after kickoff until the 15th minute and then again after they scored the second goal.

To me, it didn't speak as much as tactical deficiency of Klinsmann but the inability to properly communicate those roles to the players.

It has to be that because we saw good performances from the team in 2013. The Bosnia game comes to mind.

2010 wasn't a noob fest as some would say. Even 2006, look at Italy game, we had good possession decent ideas on the attack. Bad calls and cards here and there led to a truthfully disappointing draw against the soon to be World Champion. But those games were def NOT the Belgium game. That game we were IMMENSELY overwhelmed.

The Ghana game had Feilhaber, in one of the few games I can remember having a true 10 in the 3/4 spot, running ahead of altidore, givin ghim a little slip pass and altidore not being able to finish something that today he probably nails. That play was beautiful. Do you remember that one?

Know Nothing
Post #118
Tuesday August 29, 2017 3:25pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,827
Original post from goods

At this point you go with experience. Let the youth from Europe come in for October and November camps. I think there is an extreme outside shot of qualifying this round, and if that happens you can have a European version of camp Cupcake that will happen in January. But at least November needs to be young Mexican league and Euro league players.


Experience you say? Miazga has played in three different leagues, learned and trained with superior players and managers than Hedges has, and was capped way before Hedges.

Yes, Hedges is a solid pro, but his experience is limited to MLS and a handful of matches against CONCACAF minnows. Matches in which, IMHO, he did not play well. If you are asking a player to come off the bench or step in, would you rather have a player that has seen a lot of different football or a guy that has known only one league?

Same could be said for Williams and McCarty.

I will concede it will be beneficial for them to train with their clubs as they try to garner more playing time. Miazga was already on that track and would be further along if Arena and his blinkered MLS tinted eyes played him more during the GC.

goods
Post #119
Tuesday August 29, 2017 5:32pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 565
Miazga was capped so that he did not bolt to whichever country he holds a passport in. If Klinnsman did one thing well it was recognizing dual citizenship players and capping them no matter their situation. I do not disagree about Miazga and the summer gold cup. For him to even be in that camp and starting would have dumb, he should have been training with Chelsea. (Unless they told him to go because you will not get a lot of training minutes with us this summer either.)

I would not be shocked to see Wondo, Hedges, and McCarthy to be apart of the final 23. I think those three are just cannon fodder to round out training camp. Miazga is exactly where he needs to be along with the other two.

db707
Post #120
Tuesday August 29, 2017 6:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,083
Original post from goods

Miazga was capped so that he did not bolt to whichever country he holds a passport in. If Klinnsman did one thing well it was recognizing dual citizenship players and capping them no matter their situation.


Miazga was eligible for Poland. Klinsmann also could have cap-tied Carter-Vickers in the debacle in Costa Rica, hopefully that doesn't come back to haunt us.

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