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Sunday June 25, 2017 11:30am

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Those are #FakeAmericans now y'all believe me!!!!

Rather Lose With Real Americans Than Win With FAKE Ones!!!

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #17
Sunday June 25, 2017 7:23pm

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Post #18
Monday October 16, 2017 1:41pm

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If you have 14 minutes to spare. Please give this a listen and your thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2...

bjelks
Post #19
Monday October 16, 2017 11:54pm

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Absolutely brilliant, he should be the new Pres.
Agree 1000%
goalsense
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Post #20
Tuesday October 17, 2017 1:45am

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Agreed but MLS fanatics will disagree and vilify him. He hit the nail on the head.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #21
Tuesday October 17, 2017 2:55am

Joined Oct 2014
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Its funny bc I posted last week that maybe that was the reason for the germerican attitudes, they saw players who were guaranteed spots, and mls players with less positional and tactical awareness always see the field, and in return they had to listen to the mls guys-
they were probably scratching their heads saying what the...

I would like a run to say no MLS players over the age of 22 should be on the Nats sans a few.
Stoked
johnvuke
Dallas
Post #22
Tuesday October 17, 2017 4:24am

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Who are the few over 22 Mlsers that should be on the roster? I can't name any, mostly because young players don't start playing in MLS till they are 22.

I'd like to see a few camps without any MLS players outside of perhaps EPB, Hamid, Gonzalez...and.....

Uh.....

Chris Pontius?? The lack of fight in the squad which originates from guaranteed club roster spots is a cancer for the national team. Give the spots to players that have to earn every minute they get for club. Vets can be Geoff, Brooks, Chandler, D. Will, Morales...

Rest, call in U-20's and kids on european teams breaking through. I see no reason for any MLS player that was in Trinidad to be called in for Portugal. Maybe Acosta if he's LB. Maybe Roldan.

skangles
DC
Post #23
Wednesday October 18, 2017 3:36am

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With the debate over complacency amongst MLS players how do you guys view DC United's summer transfers as a case study?

DC United was an appalling team with a huge talent gap at DM and there were rumors that United was on the verge of signing Nigel de Jong.

Instead they signed Russell Canouse who they are paying $65k (f**king ludicrous) and they paid a $3m transfer fee for Arriola who they are paying $330k. As a DC fan these were two exciting signings even if it meant bringing two young Americans into the complacent enivronment of MLS. From the player's perspective, I dont lnow what Arriola was earning with Los xolos but I doubt he was earning $330k.

I give DC a thumbs up for their transfer window but I think it would have been more beneficial to the MNT had Arriola stayed in Tijuana and had to fight day in and day out for playing time. It's a complicated situation but I cant blame DC United, MLS or Arriola for making this deal happen.

The reason I raise this is that I cant see the trend reversing. Let's hypothetically assume that Hyndman starts cracking Bournemouth's lineup in a 10-20 minute per game type of role. Lets also assume that in a shift to youth Hyndman starts getting MNT call ups. Where do you think he signs next? It's likely that MLS would go after him as a Brek Shea / Juan Agudelo type of signing.

Know Nothing
Post #24
Wednesday October 18, 2017 5:03am

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Original post from skangles

The reason I raise this is that I cant see the trend reversing. Let's hypothetically assume that Hyndman starts cracking Bournemouth's lineup in a 10-20 minute per game type of role. Lets also assume that in a shift to youth Hyndman starts getting MNT call ups. Where do you think he signs next? It's likely that MLS would go after him as a Brek Shea / Juan Agudelo type of signing.


MLS would go after him, as would Rangers, Celtic, Fulham and a host of other teams. Depends mostly on the USMNT coach and what he favors in CM.

I think Julian Green would benefit from a stint in MLS...not for his skill but for his confidence.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #25
Wednesday October 18, 2017 5:20pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 194
Original post from johnvuke

Who are the few over 22 Mlsers that should be on the roster? I can't name any, mostly because young players don't start playing in MLS till they are 22.

I'd like to see a few camps without any MLS players outside of perhaps EPB, Hamid, Gonzalez...and.....

Uh.....

Chris Pontius?? The lack of fight in the squad which originates from guaranteed club roster spots is a cancer for the national team. Give the spots to players that have to earn every minute they get for club. Vets can be Geoff, Brooks, Chandler, D. Will, Morales...

Rest, call in U-20's and kids on european teams breaking through. I see no reason for any MLS player that was in Trinidad to be called in for Portugal. Maybe Acosta if he's LB. Maybe Roldan.


I agree I have posted prior I want a few games with NO mls players. That said there are a couple over 22 that I would include.

Besler-he was consistent, always played with heart

Rowe-showed well in his limited time

Dwyer-has potential but agree his age is not ideal but certainly believe he had earned another call up
Stoked
dolcem
Post #26
Wednesday October 18, 2017 9:57pm

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Jones hit the nail on the head.

And his passion, grit, and intensity was sorely missing during these last few games of the hex. I think we would have seen more effort. At halftime, Jones would have yelled at anyone who was jogging around on the field.

IMO we lost that leadership when Jones left the NT picture and it wasn't replaced.

Who stepped up? Bradley? Altidore?

Klinsmann was right when he cut Donovan. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch. You don't want anyone without a lot of fight in your locker room. Indolence is contagious, and I bet the complacent attitude of Bradley and Altidore was enough to slightly effect the subconscious of their teammates. Not much, of course, but sports are so competitive that a little bit of something goes a long way. Soccer, too, is a game of inches.

Someone like Wondo is at least a model pro. He isn't that talented and has to fight every day to be successful. Bradley and Altidore are so much more talented than the players around them that they don't have to be switched on mentally to be effective. That must have a negative impact on their competitiveness and psyche. And those are the tiny differences that can win or lose games.

Brad Davis's commitment and intensity, I'm sure, was contagious. He epitomized what Klinsmann wanted of our players: to have heart and belief despite not being talented. Landon Donovan was the complete opposite, and having a diva sulking in the locker room because he isn't getting enough minutes (and he didn't have the fitness) would not have been good for team morale. It's common sense.
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johnvuke
Dallas
Post #27
Wednesday October 18, 2017 10:50pm

Joined Aug 2016
Total Posts: 26
With the debate over complacency amongst MLS players how do you guys view DC United's summer transfers as a case study?

I like with DCU did. It's good for their club. I think it's bad for the USMNT future of Arriola. Not that Arriola is not a good player, but he's a USMNT regular now. DCU will do anything they can to make sure he's successful....Rather than having to earn it, he'll be given every opportunity to keep it. As far as Canouse...I think it's okay for him. I don't view him as highly as others, and from a CDM role...I'd think he's on the outside looking in from a national team perspective...especially if Jonathan Gonzalez stays in the fold.

I think they'll still work hard, and be successfull, but not as successful as having to earn each minute during each practice session. That's my main issue with MLS now. Sure, getting younger, and getting better will help the league, but not the USMNT. At least not as much as other leagues, where there isn't single entity and players are dropped as soon as they stop performing. Players all have to give that extra 1-5% each day, and IMO that stacks up. In LigaMX or Europe as an American, that's the bare minimum fee to even get a look. For an American USMNT player in MLS, I don't think you are required to do so.

blaise213
Post #28
Thursday October 19, 2017 2:16am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,458
Epic Rant !

At the end when he called out Morris for wanting to play for Seattle because his dad was the doctor and he got a new dog was F***** hilarious !!!

Jones is the man!

bjelks
Post #29
Thursday October 19, 2017 2:57am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 407
Donovan doesn't miss that volley that Wondo whiffed and he's historically our best WC player, so JK still deserves criticism for not picking him.

I don't agree that it was Bradley or Jozy's attitude or lack of leadership that sunk us, it was their lack of talent.
goalsense
munns5986
Post #30
Thursday October 19, 2017 4:20pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 261
Original post from bjelks

Donovan doesn't miss that volley that Wondo whiffed and he's historically our best WC player, so JK still deserves criticism for not picking him.

I don't agree that it was Bradley or Jozy's attitude or lack of leadership that sunk us, it was their lack of talent.


Might also be able to argue thought that if Donovan would have been a cancer to the locker room (personally I think there is a good chance of that) then we wouldn't have even made it far enough to have a chance to miss the goal.

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