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2tone
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Post #1
Tuesday June 20, 2017 10:35pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Here is my GK depth after 2018:

1. Guzan
2. Horvath
3. Gonzales
4. Steffen
5. Hamid
6. Brady Scott
7. Klinsmann
8. Marcinkowski

Brady Scott was a backup in the u-20 team this go around and will likely be the 2019 u20 starting GK. Has already been garnering interest from many European teams.

Klinsmann looks set to be in a Germany sooner rather than later.

Guzan will likely be the starter for the USMNT for most of the next cycle, but I won't be surprised if Horvath displaces him at some point in the next cycle. Right now I am penciling Horvath in as the third GK for the 2018 US World Cup team.

Steffen and Gonzales are very close. Both will be pushing for that third GK spot in the next cycle.

Hamid when on is a damn good GK. But injuries continue to plague him.

Dave
Post #2
Wednesday June 21, 2017 2:10am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 766
Original post from 2tone

Here is my GK depth after 2018:

1. Guzan
2. Horvath
3. Gonzales
4. Steffen
5. Hamid
6. Brady Scott
7. Klinsmann
8. Marcinkowski

Brady Scott was a backup in the u-20 team this go around and will likely be the 2019 u20 starting GK. Has already been garnering interest from many European teams.

Klinsmann looks set to be in a Germany sooner rather than later.

Guzan will likely be the starter for the USMNT for most of the next cycle, but I won't be surprised if Horvath displaces him at some point in the next cycle. Right now I am penciling Horvath in as the third GK for the 2018 US World Cup team.

Steffen and Gonzales are very close. Both will be pushing for that third GK spot in the next cycle.

Hamid when on is a damn good GK. But injuries continue to plague him.


Can't argue with your list/ranks. Not sure how long Guzan will maintain the #1 after the 2018 WC. His form and confidence have slipped this past year, so could easily see Horvath and others overtake him if he doesn't bounce back.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #3
Wednesday June 21, 2017 5:37am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,298
I hope it isn't Guzan. Imo, I've never seen a lot of confidence in his leadership and guidance for the back line. The closest player to Howard, but clearly a notch below.

I hope Howard pulls a Peter Shilton on us and plays until he's 43... or until one of the quality young keepers really grabs the reins.

Please no Guzan....

MSantoine
Post #4
Wednesday June 21, 2017 11:16am

Joined Nov 2012
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I would bet that Guzan starts the 2019 Gold Cup but by 2020 we have moved on to Horvath, Steffen, or Gonzales. Now that Guzan is in MLS he'll be judged equally against MLS guys so its easier for Steffen/Gonzales to stake a claim (especially if Gonzales is given #1 this year's gold cup and does good).

Horvath may be playing for a UCL caliber team within the next two years. Big teams are starting to realize that goalie is important and are shelling out money for good, young, proven, keepers. If Horvath leads Brugge to top 2 finish and makes UCL/Europa Group stage this year he could be looking at a transfer next summer or the one after that.

hamsamwich
Post #5
Wednesday June 21, 2017 1:26pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,516
As for Guzan- he has gotten the draw in Azteca the last two times. He isn't Howard (if Howard were fully healthy), but right now I think he's a better option.

I like Horvath and his length. He seems to have good agility for a tall guy.

Know Nothing
Post #6
Wednesday June 21, 2017 2:54pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,221
If Guzan gets his confidence back then that's great, but right now he doesn't look like he has in the past. If there were more shots on target at the Azteca I am not sure the outcome would have been the same since IMO, I think the one they scored could have been saved.

I would go with the newbies in the Gold Cup to see who steps up.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #7
Wednesday June 21, 2017 7:21pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,942
http://www.espnfc.com/german-bundesliga/story...

Jonathan is going on trial at Hertha. I think hes a pretty good prospect.

I still say its Horvath. Good shot stopper. Holds down his box well and adept with his feet.

Worst part though is that none of these new GKs are baldies. This is the most worrying sign of all.

Know Nothing
Post #8
Wednesday June 21, 2017 8:46pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,221
Original post from EKneezy

Worst part though is that none of these new GKs are baldies. This is the most worrying sign of all.


Easily rectified with a razor

hamsamwich
Post #9
Thursday June 22, 2017 1:24am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,516
@ekneezy- I started losing my hair at 25, there's still time for these guys.

coverby
Post #10
Thursday June 22, 2017 1:54am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 497
Original post from 2tone

Here is my GK depth after 2018:

1. Guzan
2. Horvath
3. Gonzales
4. Steffen
5. Hamid
6. Brady Scott
7. Klinsmann
8. Marcinkowski



What about Bendik and Vom Steeg?

Dave
Post #11
Thursday June 22, 2017 2:02am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 766
Original post from EKneezy

Worst part though is that none of these new GKs are baldies. This is the most worrying sign of all.


There was a time when our keeper's actually had hair. Tony Meola had a massive mullet. Keller & Friedel both had hair when they were first introduced into the National Team. Even Howard originally had hair. I actually think that our crappy defenses caused many of our keepers to pull their hair out....leading to their baldness.

Google images of them for a bit of a laugh.

There is still plenty of time for some of these young keepers to loose their hair.

MSantoine
Post #12
Thursday June 22, 2017 11:33am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
I remember Steffen at the U20's showed some early onset balding. Im sure he'll be full on balding soon

SamHays1999
Kansas
Post #13
Friday June 23, 2017 7:09am

Joined May 2017
Total Posts: 173
Original post from coverby

What about Bendik and Vom Steeg?


Yep, definitely have to be on the list.

dolcem
Post #14
Friday June 23, 2017 7:34pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,755
Since goalkeepers aren't footballers (they're football players, but not footballers), our American ones aren't plagued by the same problems their counterparts are. This is why we produced world class goalies when we were just getting started in soccer.

Since Tim Howard went to ManU in the early 00's, we haven't produced any nearly as good as the games that came before. The best was Guzan, and he is nowhere near what, say, Kasey Keller was. And we're talking about a 15 year period here.

To me this shows that our goalies are good in spite of our coaching rather than because of it. We're just far behind the Europeans and Latin Americans in this regard. I know we have some good potential coming through the ranks, but that should be a given. I remember back in the Arena days I remember thinking that in a few cycles we'd get a goalie playing at a top club. We're nowhere near that.
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Rey Regicide
Post #15
Monday June 26, 2017 12:32pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,965
Original post from dolcem

Since goalkeepers aren't footballers (they're football players, but not footballers), our American ones aren't plagued by the same problems their counterparts are. This is why we produced world class goalies when we were just getting started in soccer.

Since Tim Howard went to ManU in the early 00's, we haven't produced any nearly as good as the games that came before. The best was Guzan, and he is nowhere near what, say, Kasey Keller was. And we're talking about a 15 year period here.

To me this shows that our goalies are good in spite of our coaching rather than because of it. We're just far behind the Europeans and Latin Americans in this regard. I know we have some good potential coming through the ranks, but that should be a given. I remember back in the Arena days I remember thinking that in a few cycles we'd get a goalie playing at a top club. We're nowhere near that.


How much of that you think is the move towards Sweeper keeper? Remember reading an article about Friedel vs Lloris comparison at Tottenham and how Lloris allowed their line to play higher. That is why he was favored over Friedel who was the better "keeper" but didn't have the same ability with the ball at his feet. Kinda implying that goalies were slowly being asked to be "footballers".

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