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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #346
Tuesday June 13, 2017 9:15pm

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Original post from BMD15
If you want to talk luck, Mexico was lucky they weren't playing down a man 5 minutes into the match....otherwise it was a well deserved point.


Too true. Point taken. No responsible referee leaves Salcedo in the game.

Know Nothing
Post #347
Tuesday June 13, 2017 9:20pm

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Original post from MSantoine

We scored a once a generation goal. They had 3-4 sitters they blasted over the bar when they already had Guzan beat. Also how many times did Cameron make a last second, last gasp clearance (6?7?8?)

In sports future performance is dictated on more than just results (goal differential, possession, shots for/against, chances created/against) are all good (not perfect) predictors of what to expect.

It was nice to get a point. But if you cant admit that US was lucky to get the point then you either didnt watch the game or dont understand how soccer is played


Precisely why we changed formation so Cameron or someone WOULD be there for that last ditch clearance. Chances are going to occur during the match...it is down to being well positioned to try to deal with them.

I will concede that I was surprised the match ended in a tie...especially after the elbow goes unpunished and Mexico does not receive a single card in that match. Of all the skied chances you mention, I can think of only one where the ball was sitting up nicely and they should have scored. You can argue Pulisic missed an equally open chance late in the game.

Know Nothing
Post #348
Tuesday June 13, 2017 9:27pm

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Original post from MSantoine

We scored a once a generation goal.


Once in a generation? This happened last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbeH_YRm2No

db707
Post #349
Tuesday June 13, 2017 9:44pm

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Original post from mmee

Too true. Point taken. No responsible referee leaves Salcedo in the game.


Yup. Mexico absolutely should have been playing virtually the entire match with 10. Aguilar totally bottled that. We only got out-shot 10-7 (with only the 1 shot on goal, a few decent chances, a couple of penalty appeals) even after that.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #350
Tuesday June 13, 2017 10:17pm

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CONCACAF'ed

We've gotten to the point with this crap that the press isn't even talking about it.

tjknowsall
Post #351
Wednesday June 14, 2017 4:03am

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idk if anyone is watching panama honduras but the a honduras guy on a yellow card just blocked a throw in with his hand and the ref didnt send him off... honduras goes down and scores a goal 30 seconds later im very confused

tjknowsall
Post #352
Wednesday June 14, 2017 4:12am

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now a panama player grabbed the assistant ref and only got a yellow

tjknowsall
Post #353
Wednesday June 14, 2017 4:14am

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a honduras player punched a camera man and didnt get anything...

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #354
Wednesday June 14, 2017 4:36am

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Original post from Know Nothing

Let me ask then...how would you have set the team up to win?

The fact that their goal came on the counter speaks volumes. We would all like to see an all flowing passing game but let's face it...we are not there yet (exhibit A: Costa Rica away). If we adopted an attacking posture we would have had to deal with even more counters which presumably would have led to more goals. Where we are in the standings goal difference may come into play.

It is also a misnomer IMO to say we did not try to win. We were set up to frustrate them and to keep them from playing the way they like to play. The more frustrated they get the more they press up the field. The further they press upfield the more susceptible they are to counters...and I would say Bradley scores that goal 27 times out of 100.

I will share the stat line from a Premier League game earlier this year where one team dominated possession but were frustrated by their opponents and ended up losing

http://www.espnfc.com/matchstats?gameId=450870


I am happy with a point in this game, we came out with a plan and executed, I do wish we would have won but I ok with an ugly win to insure we qualify HOWEVER at some point we need to play more aggressive and try and take it to teams, at the world cup or any other major tourney it is so hard to park the bus and win. And in order to move soccer forward in the States we need to push ourselves.

Look at it this way, we have players whom start in the EPL, Germany, whom have scored World Cup goals. we have a couple MLSers but look at our starting 11

Brooks, Fabian, Pulisic, wood
green-cant figure him out, when he has played for the nats he showed plenty of technical skill

Cameron, Yedlin, Ream

Acosta surprised me and played really well in tight spaces he should be playing overseas soon

same with nagbe he controls the ball well

villafana and ariola starting in the the mexican league on decent teams, Gonzo although I don't rate him high

the point, we have good players, sure not all world class but certainly players who start on decent teams in top leagues so it begs the question why can't we play a more aggressive style? I am not saying we can hang with the top 10 teams in the world but we certainly can play with the majority of countries

One thing we have to do it take out players who can not trap the ball or complete forward passes no matter whom they are and not worry about who those players are, simply put, the best player at the said position should start no matter how old or how long the previous player started.
Stoked
Rey Regicide
Post #355
Wednesday June 14, 2017 12:45pm

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Original post from stoked3

I am happy with a point in this game, we came out with a plan and executed, I do wish we would have won but I ok with an ugly win to insure we qualify HOWEVER at some point we need to play more aggressive and try and take it to teams, at the world cup or any other major tourney it is so hard to park the bus and win. And in order to move soccer forward in the States we need to push ourselves.

Look at it this way, we have players whom start in the EPL, Germany, whom have scored World Cup goals. we have a couple MLSers but look at our starting 11

Brooks, Fabian, Pulisic, wood
green-cant figure him out, when he has played for the nats he showed plenty of technical skill

Cameron, Yedlin, Ream

Acosta surprised me and played really well in tight spaces he should be playing overseas soon

same with nagbe he controls the ball well

villafana and ariola starting in the the mexican league on decent teams, Gonzo although I don't rate him high

the point, we have good players, sure not all world class but certainly players who start on decent teams in top leagues so it begs the question why can't we play a more aggressive style? I am not saying we can hang with the top 10 teams in the world but we certainly can play with the majority of countries

One thing we have to do it take out players who can not trap the ball or complete forward passes no matter whom they are and not worry about who those players are, simply put, the best player at the said position should start no matter how old or how long the previous player started.


Very good points. I'm debating with my friend myself about our insistence on being reactionary, or at least not putting our front foot.

I personally agreed with Arena in Azteca. I thought his points were valid as to why he made the changes, and I agreed with his methodology. I also, dangerously interjected my hypothesis as to why we looked a bit more aggressive in the first 20 minutes, then flat out just sat back and absorbed pressure after the goal.

( I feel like Bruce was always happy with a point, if we get up a goal and have 3 points in hand, take risks to open up the lead and hopefully not drain our energy on defense.
Otherwise, play it conservatively.)

I thought Pulisic to the side was an inevitability wtih a backline of 3 to 5. We would need to pair up 3 on 3 in order to harrass properly. I think Bruce KNOWS what that does, with regards to nulifying Pulisic's central creativity. But I think that's the sacrifice he was willing to make in order to establish the game plan. And I feel that answers your question about playing the way we did. We did it because at the end of the day, Arena (like JK, esp BB, and of course Arena of old) a coach unless he's named Pep is not going to risk practicality and insurance for aesthetics.

Arena says he wants to play attacking, values pretty play. To be totally truthful, when we have had opportunities to play "pretty" against the Venezuelas, Honduras, etc we have. Or at least tried to. But playing pretty is never the goal, it's getting points in matches that matter.

Rey Regicide
Post #356
Wednesday June 14, 2017 12:48pm

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I mean look at how far we've come.

Belgium game/ any game under JK's tenure, yes even the Costa Rica game where we slammed them 4-0

they AT LEAST had 10 shots on goal.

Against Mexico, what was the final tally? 1, 2?

IN Azteca. That is incredible, don't you agree stoke?

db707
Post #357
Wednesday June 14, 2017 12:50pm

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Original post from tjknowsall

a honduras player punched a camera man and didnt get anything...


That game sounds like CONCACAF in a nutshell.

Know Nothing
Post #358
Wednesday June 14, 2017 3:06pm

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Original post from stoked3

I am happy with a point in this game, we came out with a plan and executed, I do wish we would have won but I ok with an ugly win to insure we qualify HOWEVER at some point we need to play more aggressive and try and take it to teams, at the world cup or any other major tourney it is so hard to park the bus and win. And in order to move soccer forward in the States we need to push ourselves.



With that formation and that lineup I would not necessarily call it parking the bus. With a little more familiarity that formation is fluid enough to allow attacking, aggressive soccer.

3-4-3

choose three center backs
Yedlin, Acosta/Bradley/Nagbe/Hyndmann (choose 2), FJ/Villafana
Lleget/Arriola, Wood/Altidore, Pulisic

You end up putting pressure on the wingbacks to get up and back, but if ywe face a counter we will have 3 defenders instead of 2 defenders and a cdm

Original post from stoked3

Look at it this way, we have players whom start in the EPL, Germany, whom have scored World Cup goals. we have a couple MLSers but look at our starting 11

Brooks, Fabian, Pulisic, wood
green-cant figure him out, when he has played for the nats he showed plenty of technical skill

Cameron, Yedlin, Ream

Acosta surprised me and played really well in tight spaces he should be playing overseas soon

same with nagbe he controls the ball well

villafana and ariola starting in the the mexican league on decent teams, Gonzo although I don't rate him high

the point, we have good players, sure not all world class but certainly players who start on decent teams in top leagues so it begs the question why can't we play a more aggressive style? I am not saying we can hang with the top 10 teams in the world but we certainly can play with the majority of countries



And most of the team we play have players playing in those leagues as well. The one deficiency in this argument is that there is not one set "American" style of play...the closest thing to it is what we saw sunday evening. While a good number of Mexican players play in Europe, they grew up playing a Mexican style so there is a familiarity amongst the players. Most of our players play in different systems and styles and it takes a while to become familiar with their teammates, which causes a few extra seconds in decision making and slow build ups into attack.

Original post from stoked3

One thing we have to do it take out players who can not trap the ball or complete forward passes no matter whom they are and not worry about who those players are, simply put, the best player at the said position should start no matter how old or how long the previous player started.


Mostly agree, but I would add the best player for the situation should start

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #359
Wednesday June 14, 2017 6:51pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 194
Original post from Know Nothing

With that formation and that lineup I would not necessarily call it parking the bus. With a little more familiarity that formation is fluid enough to allow attacking, aggressive soccer.

3-4-3

choose three center backs
Yedlin, Acosta/Bradley/Nagbe/Hyndmann (choose 2), FJ/Villafana
Lleget/Arriola, Wood/Altidore, Pulisic

You end up putting pressure on the wingbacks to get up and back, but if ywe face a counter we will have 3 defenders instead of 2 defenders and a cdm

And most of the team we play have players playing in those leagues as well. The one deficiency in this argument is that there is not one set "American" style of play...the closest thing to it is what we saw sunday evening. While a good number of Mexican players play in Europe, they grew up playing a Mexican style so there is a familiarity amongst the players. Most of our players play in different systems and styles and it takes a while to become familiar with their teammates, which causes a few extra seconds in decision making and slow build ups into attack.

Mostly agree, but I would add the best player for the situation should start


I agree with your points as well. Exp the point about us not having a style of play, I should have said in my opinion we need to during lets say the gold cup or other friendlies start to play a certain way and become more attacking.

It will certainly take alot of time to achieve a US attacking style-my point is if bradley or whomever slows us down, sit them, and if we have a friendly against Cuba alike country open up our play, bring in fringe players so we can begin the process.

I agree the lineup we trotted out with time could achieve fluid movement, exp if a Nagbe or Benny F type were inserted who can control the ball.

So my point would and should have said-the time to try the lineup we used should have been yrs ago-we tend to stick with the same people for waaaaay to long and then only change our play when someone is hurt or yellow carded out.

I am happy with our play against mexico-I think we are on our way to qualify and BTW I do not think we need to change our style of play until we qualify, then little by little we need to start experimenting with who we can get on the field that will help us play more attacking.
Stoked
mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #360
Wednesday June 14, 2017 7:53pm

Joined Mar 2014
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Original post from tjknowsall

idk if anyone is watching panama honduras but the a honduras guy on a yellow card just blocked a throw in with his hand and the ref didnt send him off... honduras goes down and scores a goal 30 seconds later im very confused


Classic set of updates here, tjknowsall.

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