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navi8132
Post #316
Monday June 12, 2017 2:03pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Interesting game, but much like Trinidad, this game (a game of pure grit, heart, and aggression) was a situation that shouldn't dictate how we lineup in the future.

kernn63
Post #317
Monday June 12, 2017 2:12pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 202
Original post from kernn63

Anyone know what the expected goals were? Mexico had 75% possession but I believe only the 1 SOG. Wondering if we actually had the higher quality chances all told.


Expected goals
Mexico 0.8
USA 0.5

I think as expected...fairly close despite lopsided possession numbers. Really good to hold keep Mexico chances to a minimum.

Know Nothing
Post #318
Monday June 12, 2017 3:32pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from Rey Regicide

Can we get some more discussion about the 3 2 5 we saw in the beginning that morphed into a 1 4 5?

And how much we "liked" it?

i loved it, bravo to Arena. His aesthetic is blue collar, but he tinkers like a mad scientist.

"before the camp I told people, 7 to 9 changes for Mexico game."

This is why Dempsey was upset. He knew he wasn't going to play against Mexico.

Can imagine Arena saying, "be careful dude, we're trying for 4 to 6 points, not your scoring record..."

I love this team


I like it as it is quite versatile. Having 3 central defenders is a nice thing when you lose possession and your outside backs are caught upfield.

Look at what Chelsea was able to do when they switched to their back three. In those matches they dominated possession in a 3-4-3 and had a lot of free running from their attacking players. In the matches in which they had a lot less of the ball it was more of a 5-4-1 where the wings.

In fact I would say the Chelsea model is what Arena was trying to emulate. You can argue that Pulisic is our Hazard, Wood our Costa (with a little less snarl), Arriola a poor mans Pedro, etc...

Live490
Texas
Post #319
Monday June 12, 2017 4:00pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,112
Back to Mexico goal, isn't the outside back supposed to make attacker get to byline or touchline? Instead of cutting in to take a shit at goal.. I ask honestly cause i am no defender lol. Thanks!

cudevil
Post #320
Monday June 12, 2017 4:55pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 458
Original post from Live490

Back to Mexico goal, isn't the outside back supposed to make attacker get to byline or touchline? Instead of cutting in to take a shit at goal.. I ask honestly cause i am no defender lol. Thanks!


Holden was arguing that Beasley was correct to funnel Vela inside where he theoretically had help. I disagree wholeheartedly. Vela is playing on the right as a left footed player for the specific purpose of cutting inside so he could have a shot on his left foot.

Yes, Cam or another defender probably needed to close space more quickly, but I'd always take my chances with pushing a guy outside vs. giving him the middle. 90% of the time the player is more dangerous going to the middle. Make him go wide and either cross the ball or try to beat Guzan near post.

Know Nothing
Post #321
Monday June 12, 2017 4:59pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from Live490

Back to Mexico goal, isn't the outside back supposed to make attacker get to byline or touchline? Instead of cutting in to take a shit at goal.. I ask honestly cause i am no defender lol. Thanks!


The defenders job is to try and make the attacking player go where they can do the least damage.

In the case of the Mexico goal, you could argue there were two errors made. First off, everyone knows Vela is almost exclusively left footed. Forcing him to his right (to the outside) would have enhanced our chances of successfully defending the play.

Still, Beasley did Marshall him into the area of the field where our concentration of defenders was strongest so it is argued more could have been done.

I do think Guzan bears some responsibility for the goal...his arms weren't even out as he was diving. Even if the ball is past you at least make it look like you put forth the effort to stop it!

MSantoine
Post #322
Monday June 12, 2017 5:08pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,688
Not sure how anyone who watched the game can be happy going forward. We were lucky to not lose 6-2 or 7-3. Mexico was horrendous in the final third (that air mailing from the 6 yard box late was atrocious). We also had some extremely last second clearances by Cameron that you cant count on going forward.

I know possession isnt everything but if you let a team hold the ball 75% of the time, and take 5-6 times the amount of shots as you take you're going to lose more often than not.

Arena played for the draw and got it so thats great. But usually when you play for a draw you lose more than not.

Also werent we sick of JK preaching attacking soccer and then bunkering down against any decent opponent? I thought we were done hiding vs good teams and hoping for a lucky goal?

Rey Regicide
Post #323
Monday June 12, 2017 5:39pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,740
Original post from Live490

Back to Mexico goal, isn't the outside back supposed to make attacker get to byline or touchline? Instead of cutting in to take a shit at goal.. I ask honestly cause i am no defender lol. Thanks!


I'm a former basketball player.

I have to believe it is related to what the scheme is. Like if you see Robben on the right side, you DON'T want him cutting in for a shot on goal.

If you have 5 defenders, and crosses are what you're susceptible to, probably want your guys to handle it on the ground. This is what I feared going into the match. Getting pressed in, having their wide guys break down our wide guys and sending in cutbacks that we would have trouble finding our marks on.

I would defer to the former players, but even then, if you weren't playing for highest pro teams academies or MLS itself, or playing in Europe, I would imagine that at youth levels you get taught vanilla tactics. But as you get more sophisticated, or the need becomes more pressing, they change to fit what best hides vulnerabilities.

cudevil
Post #324
Monday June 12, 2017 6:18pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 458
Original post from MSantoine

Not sure how anyone who watched the game can be happy going forward. We were lucky to not lose 6-2 or 7-3. Mexico was horrendous in the final third (that air mailing from the 6 yard box late was atrocious). We also had some extremely last second clearances by Cameron that you cant count on going forward.

I know possession isnt everything but if you let a team hold the ball 75% of the time, and take 5-6 times the amount of shots as you take you're going to lose more often than not.

Arena played for the draw and got it so thats great. But usually when you play for a draw you lose more than not.

Also werent we sick of JK preaching attacking soccer and then bunkering down against any decent opponent? I thought we were done hiding vs good teams and hoping for a lucky goal?


Mexico had something like 2-3 shots on goal. Yes, they missed some half chances, but I'm not sure there is any way you can translate the SOG to a "we could have been totally blown out". Possession or no, it didn't feel at all like the US was fortunate to be close.

Rey Regicide
Post #325
Monday June 12, 2017 6:31pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,740
Did anyone play CDm last night?

I'm asking for a friend.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #326
Monday June 12, 2017 7:06pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,116
Mexico had one shot on goal which was their goal

Know Nothing
Post #327
Monday June 12, 2017 7:49pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from MSantoine

Not sure how anyone who watched the game can be happy going forward. We were lucky to not lose 6-2 or 7-3. Mexico was horrendous in the final third (that air mailing from the 6 yard box late was atrocious). We also had some extremely last second clearances by Cameron that you cant count on going forward.

I know possession isnt everything but if you let a team hold the ball 75% of the time, and take 5-6 times the amount of shots as you take you're going to lose more often than not.

Arena played for the draw and got it so thats great. But usually when you play for a draw you lose more than not.

Also werent we sick of JK preaching attacking soccer and then bunkering down against any decent opponent? I thought we were done hiding vs good teams and hoping for a lucky goal?


You are Arsene Wenger in disguise!

Know Nothing
Post #328
Monday June 12, 2017 7:50pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,062
Original post from Rey Regicide

Did anyone play CDm last night?

I'm asking for a friend.


I don't think there was an assigned CDM, but both Bradley and Acosta seemed to be playing in that area.

Rey Regicide
Post #329
Monday June 12, 2017 8:17pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,740
true i feel that way

what is up with Doyle?!?!

https://twitter.com/MattDoyle76/status/874133...

cudevil
Post #330
Monday June 12, 2017 8:54pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 458
Original post from 2tone

Mexico had one shot on goal which was their goal


2-the Moreno free kick off the bar.

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