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navi8132
Post #1
Monday May 15, 2017 7:56pm

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Sunil may get a challenger for 2018 election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-in...=.cc89ea8908dc

GOOD.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #2
Tuesday May 16, 2017 7:35pm

Joined Mar 2014
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Amen.

TheTruth
Post #3
Wednesday May 17, 2017 1:35am

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Praise the lord.

dolcem
Post #4
Wednesday May 17, 2017 10:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Did you guys read the article?

I'm no fan of Sunil's but most people hate their FA's president. And this Gans guy sounds like an idiot.

His main criticism of Sunil was for having lost millions of dollars in hiring and firing Klinsmann, and not using the USSF's "resources properly." "It's a nonprofit organization; it's cost them millions of dollars," he said.

Now I don't care what you think of Klinsmann, but any top flight manager out there is worth millions of dollars. If we don't want to spend that kind of money on a manager, than we're doomed to mediocrity for the time being. I don't understand why we wouldn't want to have the most talented man at the helm we can possibly get. We can't pick our players, but we can pick our manager, and Jesus H. Christ we have the world's largest GDP and spend billions of dollars on sports and we don't even want to pay market prices for our national team manager? Doesn't Jim Harbaugh earn like 7 million dollars a year? To coach an amateur sport?

From the sound of this guy I hope Gulati gets reelected.
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navi8132
Post #5
Wednesday May 17, 2017 11:32pm

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The issue is that Gulati keeps running unopposed. No one should run unopposed. It is a bad scenario to have elections with one candidate. I know very little about this guy, but the point is to keep fostering healthy competition for elected positions as important as US Soccer president.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #6
Thursday May 18, 2017 2:36am

Joined Jul 2013
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Original post from dolcem

Did you guys read the article?

I'm no fan of Sunil's but most people hate their FA's president. And this Gans guy sounds like an idiot.

His main criticism of Sunil was for having lost millions of dollars in hiring and firing Klinsmann, and not using the USSF's "resources properly." "It's a nonprofit organization; it's cost them millions of dollars," he said.

Now I don't care what you think of Klinsmann, but any top flight manager out there is worth millions of dollars. If we don't want to spend that kind of money on a manager, than we're doomed to mediocrity for the time being. I don't understand why we wouldn't want to have the most talented man at the helm we can possibly get. We can't pick our players, but we can pick our manager, and Jesus H. Christ we have the world's largest GDP and spend billions of dollars on sports and we don't even want to pay market prices for our national team manager? Doesn't Jim Harbaugh earn like 7 million dollars a year? To coach an amateur sport?

From the sound of this guy I hope Gulati gets reelected.

The waste was prematurely giving Klinsmann a contract extension before the World Cup. I know our selection for top flight manager is thin, but very few countries bring back coaches for more than one cycle. Now we're set back by having to buy out his contract and wasting a cycle with a stop gap for a coach. We could have used the time immediately after the World Cup to identify another candidate and given him a full cycle. I like what Klinsmann did with the team he took, there could have been a few better player selections but none of us are the coach and we all would have had a head scratcher or two. Outside of Germany and Spain, very few coaches have success with more than one cycle. Also did anyone see the article on USSF surplus of cash? We can afford a top flight coach, if they were willing, and separate technical director. A better team will bring in more revenue to replace the expense

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #7
Thursday May 18, 2017 2:53am

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dolcem has always been on Jurgie's knob.

Nobody's perfect, I guess.

dolcem
Post #8
Thursday May 18, 2017 10:18am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from PortCityFan

The waste was prematurely giving Klinsmann a contract extension before the World Cup. I know our selection for top flight manager is thin, but very few countries bring back coaches for more than one cycle. Now we're set back by having to buy out his contract and wasting a cycle with a stop gap for a coach. We could have used the time immediately after the World Cup to identify another candidate and given him a full cycle. I like what Klinsmann did with the team he took, there could have been a few better player selections but none of us are the coach and we all would have had a head scratcher or two. Outside of Germany and Spain, very few coaches have success with more than one cycle. Also did anyone see the article on USSF surplus of cash? We can afford a top flight coach, if they were willing, and separate technical director. A better team will bring in more revenue to replace the expense


That's not what he said in the article. He never mentioned anything about more than one cycle. He just said that the USSF is a non-profit organization and that it shouldn't have "wasted" millions, and he also criticized Gulati's handling of the women's team labor issue. If you want to have a good national team, you need to spend millions on a top-flight manager. That is what the market pays for them. There is also the chance that things won't work out, and you may have to pay a big severance fee. That's just the risk that you have to take, and anyone who thinks the solution is just playing it safe and not spending on a manager to avoid that risk shouldn't be anywhere near the USSF. As a fan, I don't want that kind of self-defeatist mediocrity to be a part of our program. I don't think spending millions on our manager is a waste at all, and it sounds like this guy wants to just spend 500k on some MLS guy to appease the ridiculous claims being made by the women's team.

Original post from mmee

dolcem has always been on Jurgie's knob.

Nobody's perfect, I guess.


Come on dude. Did you read my post? Like I said, it doesn't matter what you think of Klinsmann. Gans' problem was that we spent millions of dollars on our manager. You don't think we should? If our attitude is "let's just hire Caleb Porter because if things don't go well, the severance payment will only be 60k," we might as well give up on trying to make it out of the group stage in Qatar. Sorry but I want our USSF president to have at least a little bit of ambition.
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Post #9
Thursday May 18, 2017 3:17pm

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Reading the article, I was left thinking Gans hasn't committed to running this term because he doesn't plan on doing so unless there is a big response. My thinking is Gans is just posturing to get on people's radar for the election after this when Gulati cannot run.

As far as the Gulati argument goes...I sort of agree with dolcem here. You have to spend to get the top talent. JK was not a master tactician...he wasn't brought in to do that. He was brought in in the hopes he could cultivate the soccer culture into a more cohesive style. We can continually qualify for the WC from our region because of our resources, but we will not win a WC unless the culture of developing our young players is enhanced.

In other countries, it is easy to change the manager every cycle because there is an inherent style of play for most countries. With us, there are many influences and many different styles among our best players and it gets perpetuated with the number of players being trained overseas in the different leagues.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #10
Thursday May 18, 2017 7:32pm

Joined Mar 2014
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Original post from dolcem
Come on dude. Did you read my post? Like I said, it doesn't matter what you think of Klinsmann. Gans' problem was that we spent millions of dollars on our manager. You don't think we should? If our attitude is "let's just hire Caleb Porter because if things don't go well, the severance payment will only be 60k," we might as well give up on trying to make it out of the group stage in Qatar. Sorry but I want our USSF president to have at least a little bit of ambition.


I admit, I was mostly just fucking with you.

But you have to admit that one of Gulati's biggest sins was re-upping with JK before the 2014 WC even happened. That's stupid as fuck.

Rey Regicide
Post #11
Thursday May 18, 2017 8:15pm

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JK played Gulati,

his camp (my theory) played up the Tottenham rumors

or maybe he went out and asked Tottenham if they were interested through back channels seeing how he has connections there.

in 2013 he was a hot commodity. he looked like he resurrected his bayern fiasco.

dolcem
Post #12
Friday May 19, 2017 10:34am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,661
Original post from mmee

I admit, I was mostly just fucking with you.

But you have to admit that one of Gulati's biggest sins was re-upping with JK before the 2014 WC even happened. That's stupid as fuck.


It's a moot point because we ended up having a fantastic World Cup, at which point he would have given Klinsmann the same contract (with the same severance clause) anyway. Gulati at that point looked smart for having tied Klinsmann down rather than having given him the chance to leave to Tottenham. But I agree with Rey. Klinsmann never wanted to leave. Managing the US and staying in California was always his dream, and he played Gulati into giving him that extension just in case we didn't get out of the group stage.

If Gans had said something like "Gulati is incompetent, we should never let a manager stay on for longer than one cycle," that'd be one thing. But his response was "this is a non-profit organization and we shouldn't spend millions" coupled with his belief that the women's team's labor rights issue was handed poorly makes me very nervous. How exactly to Gulati handle the issue poorly, I'd like to know. Does Gans believe the men's and women's coaches should receive the same salary? Either way, I think Gans believes that we should just stick to MLS guys because they're cheaper and Amurrican, no matter that we've never produced a top-flight manager.

And don't get me started on that whole thing. I bet we're the only country in the world where this would actually be a debate, yet we're decades behind on the actually important gender issues in this country. I mean 12 weeks maternity leave? Really? It's the lowest in the first world. Very typical of American feminism in this day and age to focus on a select few tiny, ridiculous issues (usually either related to PC and language or to the glass ceiling and the right of women to join in the oppression of the lower classes) while ignoring the stuff that actually matters. In this case, it's just the typical arrogance of the USWNT. They're a bunch of shite footballers that win because no one else gives a fuck about women's sports and yet they actually think they're really good. I'm don't care what anyone thinks; I always root against them.
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dolcem
Post #13
Saturday May 20, 2017 9:56am

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OK, I'll admit that I was mostly trolling there, but still, the attitude of the women's team does piss me off at times.
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