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Post #121
Sunday May 21, 2017 5:33pm

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Top American goal scorer is CJ Sapong. Will he get a look for the Gold Cup team? 8 goals on the season thus far and only two away from being a top of the goal scoring table.

Dave
Post #122
Sunday May 21, 2017 9:59pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 721
Original post from SamHays1999

For the Gold Cup part of this conversation, I would like a mix of everything. Young promising guys, experienced guys, MLS guys, overseas guys, all of the above. I'd go with:

GK: Howard, Guzan, Horvath
DF: Fabian, Brooks, CCV, Yedlin, Miazga, Besler, Cameron, Walker Zimmerman, maybe Palmer-Brown replacing someone
MF: Bradley, Pulisic, Nagbe, Kljestan, Acosta, Feilhaber, Julian Green, Gooch, and Hyndman or a U-20 WC Midfielder (Zelalem, Tyler Adams, de la Torre, Derrick Jones) or maybe the guys left off U-20 WC (Josh Perez and Weston McKennie)
FW: Dempsey, Jozy, Wood/Jordan Morris/Brooks Lennon

I think that would be an enjoyable squad for Gold Cup with some sure things and some high potential prospects.


I'm all for a mix of experience and youth for this summer's Gold cup, but Arena has already stated that he's not going to bring players from the youth ranks who've played in this summer's tournament. That ends CCV, EPB, Zelalem, Lennon, etc...participation in the Gold Cup.
One of the thinnest positions on the field is Outside back, and you only name 2 for the GC. Expect to see Villafana, Garza, Chandler/Lichaj called up.
In the midfield....Kljestan has been Crap this season so I'd be shocked if he were called in. Felhaber was passed over in March when we were fairly thin due to injuries, doubt if he's called up. Could see Roldan get a call.
At striker....Wood's coming off an injury plagued season, he may need a rest to fully heal depending on how bad his knee is. Dempsey may be rested as well....Everyone knows what he brings, but at his age do you risk him? Wouldn't be shocked to see Zardes, Agudelo or Boyd/ArJo get a shot this summer.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #123
Tuesday May 23, 2017 8:11pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,006
I will admit that I wasn't asserting my skepticism of JJJ's function in the USNT post 2014 WC.

But at this point, does he have any defenders left who think that (assume he's fit for argument's sake) JJJ should be there for the WCQs?

At this point I think we all can see that he could very well be one of the locker room poisons that some people were (anonymously and with cowardice) complaining about.
As in . . . . he could have been bad for morale in the 'massive ego' kind of way.

Rey Regicide
Post #124
Tuesday May 23, 2017 8:17pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,843
Probably not.

Arena was high on him though. If he gets back to any of that, I wonder what Arena would think.

dolcem
Post #125
Wednesday May 24, 2017 3:48pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,729
Jones is one of our most important leaders on and off the field. He epitomizes the toughness we ask of our players. Not only that, he's a dual national, and that's where we need leadership most. Some of these dual nationals might be playing for the USNT for professional reasons and might lack the grit and "always give 110%" that the born 'n bred Americans have. Jones can transmit those attitudes to the next generation of dual-nationals. I'll bet that no one will want to half-ass it while he's around. He might be arrogant, but he is one of the few that has actually earned that right, and we benefit from having someone like that in the locker room-someone who has no fear of playing against the best because he has actually done so. I hope he sticks around a little while longer to bestow his wisdom upon the youngsters.
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goods
Post #126
Wednesday May 24, 2017 4:21pm

Joined Mar 2014
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I think Jones should ask Arena about a spot on his coaching staff. I think he is living the Toby Keith song right now. Not as good as he once was but can be as good once. And where we are with a generation aging (Dempsey, Bradley, Howard), a generation who never took the bulls by the horns (Corona, Joya, Gil, Aguedelo), and a group who is about to break down the door (Pulisic, Sargent, EPN, CCV, etc).

I think Jones would be fabulous with these kids as they progress in their next stage after U20. We need to put a stronger leadership group than what has been there than what past two groups had.

SamHays1999
Kansas
Post #127
Wednesday May 24, 2017 6:26pm

Joined May 2017
Total Posts: 104
I'm in favor of Jones staying around for a while still, as long as he isn't being played at CB, play him at CDM or CM only. Also in favor of the Jones coaching thing post-retirement, I do think that would be helpful.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #128
Wednesday May 24, 2017 7:52pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,006
Do you think there's ANY possibility that he's been bad for locker room chemistry at times?
(I think we've seen it on the field, but that wouldn't necessarily lead me to conclude that it means anything off the field)
(ALSO, I am not making a "YAY MB, BOO JJ" argument here)

TheTruth
Post #129
Wednesday May 24, 2017 9:46pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Uh, duh. He's a formerly great, aging player. Clearly he's having a tough time dealing with that. And it's gotta be tough. It's almost impossible for a hyper-competitive, in-your-face athlete like JJ to go quietly into the night.

Would you have ever been able to see Kobe Bryant come off the bench for the Lakers?

I assume the Galaxy got him on a 1 year contract. Even if this year goes "well" for him (hasn't started off well) Galaxy would re-sign him at a lower salary. Galaxy should be experts by now at signing big name, old players.

dolcem
Post #130
Wednesday May 24, 2017 10:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,729
Original post from mmee

Do you think there's ANY possibility that he's been bad for locker room chemistry at times?
(I think we've seen it on the field, but that wouldn't necessarily lead me to conclude that it means anything off the field)
(ALSO, I am not making a "YAY MB, BOO JJ" argument here)


Well of course there's a possibility. I've never set foot in the locker room and I don't know any USNT players personally. I would not be surprised if Jones's style rubs some people the wrong way. But I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. We'll miss his presence once he's gone.

Original post from TheTruth

Would you have ever been able to see Kobe Bryant come off the bench for the Lakers?



Very different sports. I mean if Jones's presence really is negatively affecting team chemistry, than sure, he has to go. But he's 35 and I think he's aware that he's not a starter for the NT anymore. Maybe you're right and he can't accept that and needs to leave. But I don't think we should judge him based on one interview. Ultimately, only people on the inside will know the answers to these questions, and even then, I bet you'd get different answers. Some coaches might want to keep him around for his intensity, others might think that he's too big for his britches at this point.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #131
Thursday May 25, 2017 2:01am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,006
Original post from TheTruth

Galaxy should be experts by now at signing big name, old players.


UGH, tell me about it.

Dave
Post #132
Thursday May 25, 2017 3:48am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 721
Original post from mmee

Do you think there's ANY possibility that he's been bad for locker room chemistry at times?
(I think we've seen it on the field, but that wouldn't necessarily lead me to conclude that it means anything off the field)
(ALSO, I am not making a "YAY MB, BOO JJ" argument here)


Personally I don't think it has to be a Go or Stay question, unless JJ forces it to be. IMO Jones isn't a full-time starter at the International level any more. I'd like to see him as a situational starter and a super sub. But he'd have to accept that type of role within the team. His experience and intensity are still assets to the team and he can help mentor some of the young guys. However, he'd need to do it without being a cancer in the locker-room or in the media.

Not everyone can accept a reduction or change to their role with the team. I hope JJ can, but if not than he needs to be shelved.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #133
Thursday May 25, 2017 4:34am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,245
Once healthy, I'd give Lletget every minute of JJ's playing time and wish JJ a very happy retirement.

TheTruth
Post #134
Thursday May 25, 2017 6:17am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Yeah, I'm not saying he should be shot. Just can be tough about the how/when to phase out. Anyone who has played a competitive sport after 35 understands what I'm talking about. Very possible JJ could still be playing in MLS 2 years from now. MCL ain't nothing. Had one of those at 31. Non-issue. I'd actually be shocked if he went from starter on USMNT to retired in less than a year.

And you guys know I don't give a shit about that he said, she said crap. That's for 13 year old girls. Sports is a meritocracy. If mofo can play, then mofo gets paid. Who gives a dick if JJ is a dick.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #135
Thursday May 25, 2017 5:26pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,245
I just want him to retire from the nats. We have some very promising options. I really liked the chemistry with MB and Lletget...combo play was really solid. I really liked what I saw from Derrick Jones.

JJ can probably play with LA for a couple years, but I doubt they want to deal with his rogue personality for what they're getting on the field. Imo, he would still think he is the best player on the field at 40 years old...when everyone else is not exactly seeing that. I think he's already at that point now.

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