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Dave
Post #31
Sunday April 9, 2017 9:02pm

Joined Jul 2014
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bjelks & dfw_fan - I'm not a huge fan of Bradley but I'm not a fan of just throwing young players to the wolves either. I agree that either Bradley or Jones need to start on the bench....and I really don't care which one it is. Both are basically equal talent wise, but Jones is 4 years older and has suffered significantly more injuries. I'd personally prefer to use Cameron as the CDM....but than we have to deal with Gonzalez or some young/untested player (Birnbaum, Miazga, CCV, etc...). I want to go young, but then you have to contend with some of their growing plains and we are not in a position where we can recover from significant errors on the back-line.
Acosta, Hyndman, etc... are options for the future to replace Jones/Bradley but they aren't ready yet. They are not Pulisic playing significant minutes for a Major club in a top league; they are very good players playing in fairly weak leagues. I believe they should be on the team, but they need to be paired with a more veteran/experienced player.

The spine of the team is not where you can be Reckless in player selection. And the closer to your own goal the player/position is the less reckless you can be. We cannot afford to place untested players in multiple defensive positions...GK, CB, CDM and expect to be successful right away. We have to bleed these guys in...give them a chance to develop some chemistry/understanding of one another and gain the experience they'll need to replace our aging players.

The Gold Cup is an excellent opportunity to get these young players significant minutes/experience while building the chemistry these young players will need. It'll be an chance for them to play competitive games in a tournament against opponents where we can make mistakes and still succeed.

dolcem
Post #32
Sunday April 9, 2017 10:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,679
Bradley is crap now but he's Captain America. As a foreigner, Klinsmann couldn't have gotten away with benching him. Although maybe Bruce could, I highly doubt he will. Bradley is his former assistant coach's son, a media darling, arguably the most popular US player ever (i.e. he's a lot bigger than Bruce Arena), and, more than anyone else on the team, one of "us." He isn't one of these dual-nationals, or even an immigrant, and he plays hard and very emotionally, so he epitomizes what a lot of fans want from the USNT. And maybe Bruce feels the same way.
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hamsamwich
Post #33
Monday April 10, 2017 12:39am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,428
@bjelks- does the goal that put us up 2-0 against honduras not count? Received the ball, turned, dribbled past a defender, looked to pass and when there was no other option shot it with his left foot clinically from 25 yards far post for the all important second goal...

Hopefully our young central midfielders push Bradley out to use Jürgen speak, because aside from Danny Williams nobody of experience and age is performing abroad. Is Kellyn Acosta ready? I think he should play but it's not cut and dry he's any better or less susceptible to a mistake than Bradley. People here hated him during the u20s, blamed Tab for playing him as CDM and said Acosta was suspect. I backed him then I back his ability mentally and physically as well now too. Bruce has a rebuilding job on his hands and none of the young midfielders have really made a case at club level higher than MLS. And we've seen with the CCL that it's not good enough in MLS. Liga mx itself isn't good enough level for international play that's why we've seen Mexicans moving abroad in record numbers.

Most modern teams don't play a 4-4-2 because the 2 in the middle get overran. Bradley most times is up against 2 players with poor movement from his fellow teammates. Remember that when we change him out and the new guy fails.

cudevil
Post #34
Monday April 10, 2017 3:16am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 447
According to bjelks, Bradley only needs help because he sucks.

bjelks
Post #35
Monday April 10, 2017 5:17am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 319
I'm saying you could put Acosta and D. Will at #6 and get the same results as when Bradley plays.
The problem is when we play good teams Bradley doesn't make a difference and everybody is blamed for the outcome but him, but changing him isn't considered.
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blaise213
Post #36
Monday April 10, 2017 7:56am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,360
In 2011 vs Spain (0 - 4 ass wooping) fans were pressuring Bob Bradley to not start Michael Bradley. So Bob didn't start him in the first half and put in the worst line-up to make Mike Bradley not look at fault.

Bradley's best days were 2008 - 2010. In 2017, he's a mediocre player.

Bradley gets school against teams like Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, Costa Rica... The kid can't hang against technically skilled teams. He also gets smoke by faster teams.

Bradley didn't do shit in the 2014 World Cup and was complete shit in the 2016 Copa America.

Its time to move on or you're gonna continue to see games played like the PANAMA game!

Know Nothing
Post #37
Monday April 10, 2017 2:55pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,039
I would say there is a direct correlation between MB getting the captains armband and him regressing. Give the armband back to Deuce and see if that helps (unlikely, but it sends a message).

bjelks
Post #38
Monday April 10, 2017 3:06pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 319
Amen @blaise213. No drop in form. There is no picking up his form.
This is who he is as a player.
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EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #39
Monday April 10, 2017 7:46pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,870
I think Bradley is good. His form has considerably dropped form the 2012-early 2014 form but he was damn near great playing for Roma. He doesnt have the same foot speed.

However I still think he has room in the USMNT. Pair him with Acosta or two other midfielders and I think he'll shine. Jones isnt an option anymore. But that shouldn't absolve Bradley of blame.

Also lets stop with the Panama game. Numerous injuries. A weird 11. And we got a draw. It was a good result. Or you also gonna forget the Honduras game as well?

dolcem
Post #40
Monday April 10, 2017 9:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,679
Original post from blaise213

In 2011 vs Spain (0 - 4 ass wooping) fans were pressuring Bob Bradley to not start Michael Bradley. So Bob didn't start him in the first half and put in the worst line-up to make Mike Bradley not look at fault.

Bradley's best days were 2008 - 2010. In 2017, he's a mediocre player.

Bradley gets school against teams like Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, Costa Rica... The kid can't hang against technically skilled teams. He also gets smoke by faster teams.

Bradley didn't do shit in the 2014 World Cup and was complete shit in the 2016 Copa America.

Its time to move on or you're gonna continue to see games played like the PANAMA game!


I'm glad you remember that bit about the Spain game. Coach Bob put Edu in and left Michael on the bench to "rest" him, even though he had hardly played (couldn't get a game in at Villa). Edu, on the other hand, had played all year at Rangers. Of course Edu looked bad and then Bradley got the start against a weak team in the other friendly.

I disagree with the bit about Bradley's best days though. His dad gave him the keys to the team when most of the time, his performances barely justified a starting role. He did play his lights out at the 2010 World Cup, but the team suffered for it (his lack of defensive responsibilities got us into trouble, like when Torres was left alone on that goal against Slovenia). He was still a mediocre player though, overall, until he went to Roma. I had been a big Bradley critic before that but those two years he looked like a really quality player for both club and country. And the type of player he was, it only seemed like he'd continue to get better (intelligent box to box mid with a lot of hustle). I seriously thought he could end up as a squad player at a top 4 club somewhere, like a ManU or a Chelsea, at least to sell shirts. Instead he threw away his career for some extra money, which wasn't even necessarily a good financial decision (he could've gotten that same contract anyway after the 2018 World Cup, and I bet you his next contract won't be nearly as lucrative).

But no one calls him out for this because he's a son of the USSF and it hurts people to acknolwedge that the MLS is nowhere near the top European leagues. All of the people defending him said the MLS was getting better and that it doesn't matter which league you play in. Well Bradley went from being arguably our best field player to arguably our worst. There's no two ways about it.

Original post from Know Nothing

I would say there is a direct correlation between MB getting the captains armband and him regressing. Give the armband back to Deuce and see if that helps (unlikely, but it sends a message).


You don't think there's a correlation between him moving from Serie A to the MLS and his drop in form? Especially because they happened at the same time?
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navi8132
Post #41
Monday April 10, 2017 9:45pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,505
Throwback video for your Monday enjoyment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHAa89uEYU

Know Nothing
Post #42
Monday April 10, 2017 10:04pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,039
Original post from dolcem

You don't think there's a correlation between him moving from Serie A to the MLS and his drop in form? Especially because they happened at the same time?


Sure. My point was having the armband doesn't help. It will be easier to drop him if the captaincy changes and his form does not improve.

The pinnacle for any player is playing for a big team in a top 4 league...he has done that. For some people, reaching your ultimate personal goal is enough and it is easy to coast. I think he is guilty of that.

Rey Regicide
Post #43
Tuesday April 11, 2017 12:14pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,696
Original post from dolcem

I'm glad you remember that bit about the Spain game. Coach Bob put Edu in and left Michael on the bench to "rest" him, even though he had hardly played (couldn't get a game in at Villa). Edu, on the other hand, had played all year at Rangers. Of course Edu looked bad and then Bradley got the start against a weak team in the other friendly.

I disagree with the bit about Bradley's best days though. His dad gave him the keys to the team when most of the time, his performances barely justified a starting role. He did play his lights out at the 2010 World Cup, but the team suffered for it (his lack of defensive responsibilities got us into trouble, like when Torres was left alone on that goal against Slovenia). He was still a mediocre player though, overall, until he went to Roma. I had been a big Bradley critic before that but those two years he looked like a really quality player for both club and country. And the type of player he was, it only seemed like he'd continue to get better (intelligent box to box mid with a lot of hustle). I seriously thought he could end up as a squad player at a top 4 club somewhere, like a ManU or a Chelsea, at least to sell shirts. Instead he threw away his career for some extra money, which wasn't even necessarily a good financial decision (he could've gotten that same contract anyway after the 2018 World Cup, and I bet you his next contract won't be nearly as lucrative).

But no one calls him out for this because he's a son of the USSF and it hurts people to acknolwedge that the MLS is nowhere near the top European leagues. All of the people defending him said the MLS was getting better and that it doesn't matter which league you play in. Well Bradley went from being arguably our best field player to arguably our worst. There's no two ways about it.

You don't think there's a correlation between him moving from Serie A to the MLS and his drop in form? Especially because they happened at the same time?


It's not because he's a son, it's less to do with "familial concepts" things people like us, the laymen will associate and resonate with and more to do with the fact that Nike SUM corporate interests are all bedfellows... Leaving Bradley off a US MNT has an implication to his Toronto FC/MLS contract.

Rey Regicide
Post #44
Tuesday April 11, 2017 12:15pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,696
for that matter, Jermaine Jones, Altidore etc all those guys too.

dolcem
Post #45
Tuesday April 11, 2017 9:32pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,679
RR:

I think you might be right. The corporate aspect is something I've always suspected but I can't know for sure.

But I was just referring to the general public and the media. No one calls out MB90 for what he is, a mercenary who cares more about money than the glory of the game. Everyone apologizes for what wasn't even necessarily a great financial decision. Jones and Dempsey waited until they were past their prime to come to the MLS. That's why I respect them a lot more than Bradley and Altidore.
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