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PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #151
Friday August 11, 2017 8:24pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 154
We have seen so far that our players appear to have clearer roles. Maybe Chandler was asked to do too much under Klinsmann for being partnered with someone for short periods of time. I hope this was the case as Chandler for club is one of our best. To your point Navi, I don't think it's the end but maybe a wake up call. Bruce is going to call in players he trusts, if we solidify our place in this round of qualifying I believe Chandler will still get an audition

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #152
Friday August 11, 2017 10:24pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,009
I just don't agree with viewing Chandler through rose-tinted glasses.

Specifically, he has made multiple major errors that are not of the "too many jobs to do" variety, in not-so-many games for the USNT. They were fundamental soccer errors that had to do with him switching off or not giving a crap.

If he does get called in, I'd love to be wrong, but I will also say that I told you so the very next time he does it again.

These aren't his worst offenses, but his most recent:
v Mexico WCQ in November, first goal: can't blame Bradley or Brooks without blaming Chandler for half-assing it.
https://youtu.be/FF34lsTa_cY
^ 1:29:50 ^
https://youtu.be/FJ3VGxtr0yk?t=1m43s

V Costa Rica WCQ 4 back system.....
Chandler's caught up field while his centerbacks are split and Gonzo has two jobs. He fails to or doesn't want to recognize the situation and sprint back, and then he makes a "who, me?" non-run to cut off a back-pass (no way this is JK's fault):
https://youtu.be/JKgdOz6BqKk?t=2m45s
You have to 100% know that a real player will make this sprint and affect this play, and that it is his job to, if it's the last thing he does on the pitch that day. HE STARTS 65 YARDS FROM HIS OWN GOAL, AND 11 SECONDS LATER, HE IS NOT IN POSITION TO HELP HIS CENTERBACKS. . . . . 65 YARDS, 11 SECONDS. A FAT KID WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THERE.

https://youtu.be/JKgdOz6BqKk?t=3m41s
Note Chandler's position at 3:42, and what he sees. This one is not entirely Chandler's fault. (this goal is at least partly due to a great cross). Gonzales has to take #12 because Brooks is trying to get in the passing lane. But Chandler lets #7 pass him on the inside....... goal.

https://youtu.be/JKgdOz6BqKk?t=4m22s
Not his fault, but does he even start to try to catch up to #7 here? No, he doesn't.

PS: check out the TSS interview with Bobby Warshaw if you think there aren't gifted players who don't give a crap. Warshaw talks all about it.
https://www.totalsoccershow.com/total-soccer-...

Chandler is not one of our best. Chandler is a pedigreed dog.
BEFORE these two matches, he had about 4-5 major switch-off or 'idc' errors in like 27 games for the US. Now its one more major and two more minor in 29 games.

You can criticize Zusi and Lichaj all you want, and they're no Cherundolo, but have they come anywhere near a half dozen major and a half dozen minor errors for the US?

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #153
Saturday August 12, 2017 12:48am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 154
i recognize that he switches off, but so do a lot of our defenders. Brooks does often, Cameron has a few times, Omar is notorious for it. However Omar has actually done it fewer times the last few starts. I don't think he's an automatic starter, but he should be brought in, evaluated, and see if Bruce can bring out better in him.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #154
Saturday August 12, 2017 9:42pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,195
To be honest if Palmer-Brown solidifies his spot with SKC he might be in the equation with Miazga, Hedges for RCB depth.

LeYankee
Post #155
Sunday August 13, 2017 7:05am

Joined Jul 2017
Total Posts: 10
There were a couple somewhat interesting tidbits at right back yesterday.

Timmy Chandler scored a goal. It was against a scrub team but still solid work. I don't know if he'll be called up, but I think he has to be in contention for the next qualifiers with Yedlin out. I trust Arena to determine whether he can flip whatever mental, motivational, or chemistry switch has had Chandler consistently underperform with the USMNT.

Danny Williams played his first 33 minutes in the Premier League this season at right back. The bad news is that he didn't get the start in midfield even with last year's starter out (last year's backup got the start), but the good news is he held up well at right back. Long term, I'd rather he get consistent minutes in midfield and compete to start alongside Bradley, but showing some nice versatility is probably a good thing for a guy on the margin of the USMNT.

Dave
Post #156
Sunday August 13, 2017 11:28pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 721
Original post from LeYankee

There were a couple somewhat interesting tidbits at right back yesterday.

Timmy Chandler scored a goal. It was against a scrub team but still solid work. I don't know if he'll be called up, but I think he has to be in contention for the next qualifiers with Yedlin out. I trust Arena to determine whether he can flip whatever mental, motivational, or chemistry switch has had Chandler consistently underperform with the USMNT.

Danny Williams played his first 33 minutes in the Premier League this season at right back. The bad news is that he didn't get the start in midfield even with last year's starter out (last year's backup got the start), but the good news is he held up well at right back. Long term, I'd rather he get consistent minutes in midfield and compete to start alongside Bradley, but showing some nice versatility is probably a good thing for a guy on the margin of the USMNT.


With Yedlin out injured and Fabian likely to play in the MF we really don't have much in the way of options other than Cameron or Chandler for the RB position. Considering we're going to be facing CR we need to make sure we have a strong defense. IMO that leaves Zusi & Lichaj out of the discussion.

Danny Williams actually started out as a LB when he first started in Germany. He may not be a outright starter, but his versatility makes him an interesting bench option. I agree his best position is as a #8, but considering he can slot at RB & LB in a pinch makes him an attractive player to bring to a tournament.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #157
Saturday September 9, 2017 8:17pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 154
Looks like Cameron tweaked a hammi, not good

goods
Post #158
Saturday September 9, 2017 11:41pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 334
Out 2 weeks. Miazga started in a clean sheet

Jzaval01
Post #159
Monday September 11, 2017 3:51am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,211
Down goes Morris. USMNT will be thin at this rate.

LeYankee
Post #160
Wednesday September 13, 2017 10:40pm

Joined Jul 2017
Total Posts: 10
Now that Toljan is with Dortmund, I'm hoping against hope that he'll decide he likes playing with Pulisic enough that maybe joining him on the USMNT and having a good shot at playing in three World Cups starting at age 23 is a better option than fighting what currently appears to be an uphill battle to play for Germany. He can play right or left back, and I'd argue he'd be the best left back on the team from day 1 if he joins and is committed.

Know Nothing
Post #161
Wednesday September 13, 2017 10:46pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,129
As much as we would like him, Toljan has played for Germany at youth level so it is doubtful he will file to change...especially now he is at a big club and will get more exposure.

Rey Regicide
Post #162
Thursday September 14, 2017 12:49pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,845
I know Arena isn't opposed to dual nationals.

He desperately tried to get G Rossi in camp, and possibly world cup squad AFTER he turned down the nats several times, and before any pro experience.

But this Toljan reeks of indifference to any US interest. If we don't extend to Chandler, then what sense does it make to go for this ...

oh i forgot our fullbacks are shyte.

tylercocinas
Post #163
Thursday September 14, 2017 1:32pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,105
Jermaine Jones was playing Champions League with Schalke when he decided to join the United States. He played for the German youth teams on up to appearing in two friendlies for the full German NT. Fabian Johnson also had a similar path through the youth ranks, IIRC. So in saying that, all hope is not lost, in my opinion.

Also, Jogi Low is not going to cap tie any players just for the hell of it. If you ultimately become bound to the German national team, it will be based completely off merit. So Toljan is one for the future. Same for Tim Tillman. Until they declare for the US, they might as well not even exist, but we know that if/when they do switch, they'll make USMNT player pool that much stronger.

LeYankee
Post #164
Thursday September 14, 2017 7:23pm

Joined Jul 2017
Total Posts: 10
I'd be happy to see Chandler get another shot, as he's a very solid player in the Bundesliga, but it also doesn't bother me that Arena isn't beating down his door. It's been so long ago now that I don't remember the details, but I remember early in his national team career there was definitely a time or two where it was clear the USMNT was not anywhere near the top of his priority list. On top of that, he really hasn't been good with the national team since the first handful of matches long, long ago, and he's been objectively bad more than once. So, while I personally think he still has something to offer, I can see the argument that he's had his shot more than once.

As for Toljan, I expect there will be a time that he will consider a switch if he still isn't on German team. It may not be in time for 2018, as he's just now entering his prime years and could hold out for 2022 if he's fully devoted to Germany. I wouldn't blame him in the least if that's how he feels. If he still isn't getting so much as a sniff by 2020ish from the Germans, though, I'd speculate he'd make the change.

Jzaval01
Post #165
Thursday September 14, 2017 8:27pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,211
I dont think Toljan makes the German squad. Wasnt called to the German B team for Confed Cup and that wasnt because he played for a lesser team. There was other full backs called in the same situation.He definitely wont make this 2018 world cup. Anyways there so much German prospects that he will get lost in the mix.

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