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PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #151
Friday August 11, 2017 8:24pm

Joined Jul 2013
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We have seen so far that our players appear to have clearer roles. Maybe Chandler was asked to do too much under Klinsmann for being partnered with someone for short periods of time. I hope this was the case as Chandler for club is one of our best. To your point Navi, I don't think it's the end but maybe a wake up call. Bruce is going to call in players he trusts, if we solidify our place in this round of qualifying I believe Chandler will still get an audition

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #152
Friday August 11, 2017 10:24pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,871
I just don't agree with viewing Chandler through rose-tinted glasses.

Specifically, he has made multiple major errors that are not of the "too many jobs to do" variety, in not-so-many games for the USNT. They were fundamental soccer errors that had to do with him switching off or not giving a crap.

If he does get called in, I'd love to be wrong, but I will also say that I told you so the very next time he does it again.

These aren't his worst offenses, but his most recent:
v Mexico WCQ in November, first goal: can't blame Bradley or Brooks without blaming Chandler for half-assing it.
https://youtu.be/FF34lsTa_cY
^ 1:29:50 ^
https://youtu.be/FJ3VGxtr0yk?t=1m43s

V Costa Rica WCQ 4 back system.....
Chandler's caught up field while his centerbacks are split and Gonzo has two jobs. He fails to or doesn't want to recognize the situation and sprint back, and then he makes a "who, me?" non-run to cut off a back-pass (no way this is JK's fault):
https://youtu.be/JKgdOz6BqKk?t=2m45s
You have to 100% know that a real player will make this sprint and affect this play, and that it is his job to, if it's the last thing he does on the pitch that day. HE STARTS 65 YARDS FROM HIS OWN GOAL, AND 11 SECONDS LATER, HE IS NOT IN POSITION TO HELP HIS CENTERBACKS. . . . . 65 YARDS, 11 SECONDS. A FAT KID WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THERE.

https://youtu.be/JKgdOz6BqKk?t=3m41s
Note Chandler's position at 3:42, and what he sees. This one is not entirely Chandler's fault. (this goal is at least partly due to a great cross). Gonzales has to take #12 because Brooks is trying to get in the passing lane. But Chandler lets #7 pass him on the inside....... goal.

https://youtu.be/JKgdOz6BqKk?t=4m22s
Not his fault, but does he even start to try to catch up to #7 here? No, he doesn't.

PS: check out the TSS interview with Bobby Warshaw if you think there aren't gifted players who don't give a crap. Warshaw talks all about it.
https://www.totalsoccershow.com/total-soccer-...

Chandler is not one of our best. Chandler is a pedigreed dog.
BEFORE these two matches, he had about 4-5 major switch-off or 'idc' errors in like 27 games for the US. Now its one more major and two more minor in 29 games.

You can criticize Zusi and Lichaj all you want, and they're no Cherundolo, but have they come anywhere near a half dozen major and a half dozen minor errors for the US?

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #153
Saturday August 12, 2017 12:48am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 152
i recognize that he switches off, but so do a lot of our defenders. Brooks does often, Cameron has a few times, Omar is notorious for it. However Omar has actually done it fewer times the last few starts. I don't think he's an automatic starter, but he should be brought in, evaluated, and see if Bruce can bring out better in him.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #154
Saturday August 12, 2017 9:42pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,131
To be honest if Palmer-Brown solidifies his spot with SKC he might be in the equation with Miazga, Hedges for RCB depth.

LeYankee
Post #155
Sunday August 13, 2017 7:05am

Joined Jul 2017
Total Posts: 7
There were a couple somewhat interesting tidbits at right back yesterday.

Timmy Chandler scored a goal. It was against a scrub team but still solid work. I don't know if he'll be called up, but I think he has to be in contention for the next qualifiers with Yedlin out. I trust Arena to determine whether he can flip whatever mental, motivational, or chemistry switch has had Chandler consistently underperform with the USMNT.

Danny Williams played his first 33 minutes in the Premier League this season at right back. The bad news is that he didn't get the start in midfield even with last year's starter out (last year's backup got the start), but the good news is he held up well at right back. Long term, I'd rather he get consistent minutes in midfield and compete to start alongside Bradley, but showing some nice versatility is probably a good thing for a guy on the margin of the USMNT.

Dave
Post #156
Sunday August 13, 2017 11:28pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 690
Original post from LeYankee

There were a couple somewhat interesting tidbits at right back yesterday.

Timmy Chandler scored a goal. It was against a scrub team but still solid work. I don't know if he'll be called up, but I think he has to be in contention for the next qualifiers with Yedlin out. I trust Arena to determine whether he can flip whatever mental, motivational, or chemistry switch has had Chandler consistently underperform with the USMNT.

Danny Williams played his first 33 minutes in the Premier League this season at right back. The bad news is that he didn't get the start in midfield even with last year's starter out (last year's backup got the start), but the good news is he held up well at right back. Long term, I'd rather he get consistent minutes in midfield and compete to start alongside Bradley, but showing some nice versatility is probably a good thing for a guy on the margin of the USMNT.


With Yedlin out injured and Fabian likely to play in the MF we really don't have much in the way of options other than Cameron or Chandler for the RB position. Considering we're going to be facing CR we need to make sure we have a strong defense. IMO that leaves Zusi & Lichaj out of the discussion.

Danny Williams actually started out as a LB when he first started in Germany. He may not be a outright starter, but his versatility makes him an interesting bench option. I agree his best position is as a #8, but considering he can slot at RB & LB in a pinch makes him an attractive player to bring to a tournament.

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