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TheTruth
Post #16
Friday March 31, 2017 1:33pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Yes, sadly. I'll stand by my comments that I don't know why people are getting bent out of shape about Jones - the problem will fix itself. And I assumed he was on his way out of the USMNT when he got injured last season. I'll watch most Galaxy games this year and we'll find out.

But I'll be a bit of a contrarian and say that I wouldn't count him out of Russia. Not a prediction, just a possibility. And I'll change my mind if his play w/ the Galaxy is not as good as his play with Colorado last year.

Yes, he had a bad game vs. Panama, but fuck, some of you guys over-react to the smallest of data points.

kernn63
Post #17
Friday March 31, 2017 2:25pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 263
He was pissed that this showed up on MLSsoccer.com.

Jones: "Why... I'm not surprised that @MLS is coming up with that stuff!!"

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/03/29/armc...

While playing a standard 4-4-2 seems pragmatic in CONCACAF, I agree with this....formations that involve Jones are not what I think of as pragmatic for the following reason:

"I spoke about Jones the individualist above because he plays soccer with a Galt-ian sense of self. His bursts of energy against Seattle and Mexico were as unsustainable as they were breathtaking, and once he'd maxed out his reserves, his teammates were forced to compensate for his no-less-unpredictable forays away from positional responsibility and his no less risky attempts at spreading the field with the ball. Instead of focusing on their own shape or gameplan, or adjusting to the attacks of the opposition, the constant calculation of his own teammates has been "How do we adjust to Jermaine?" Instead of working together, they were working for him."

Rey Regicide
Post #18
Friday March 31, 2017 4:45pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
Playing with Kobe Bryant, who took liberties all over the place is not risky. a point guard shooting guard, center, power forward small forward is what everyone plays with, not conservative.

playing with 4 shooting guards and a small forward is ground breaking it's different it's not conservative.

playing with the very def of a base formation the 4 4 2 is conservative formation. whether or not your player is cavalier or not is irrelevant to the discussion.

Know Nothing
Post #19
Friday March 31, 2017 6:01pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,248
Original post from kernn63

He was pissed that this showed up on MLSsoccer.com.

Jones: "Why... I'm not surprised that @MLS is coming up with that stuff!!"

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/03/29/armc...

While playing a standard 4-4-2 seems pragmatic in CONCACAF, I agree with this....formations that involve Jones are not what I think of as pragmatic for the following reason:

"I spoke about Jones the individualist above because he plays soccer with a Galt-ian sense of self. His bursts of energy against Seattle and Mexico were as unsustainable as they were breathtaking, and once he'd maxed out his reserves, his teammates were forced to compensate for his no-less-unpredictable forays away from positional responsibility and his no less risky attempts at spreading the field with the ball. Instead of focusing on their own shape or gameplan, or adjusting to the attacks of the opposition, the constant calculation of his own teammates has been "How do we adjust to Jermaine?" Instead of working together, they were working for him."


simple answer to this is have him come off the bench where his bursts of energy can be productive

dolcem
Post #20
Friday March 31, 2017 7:19pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,759
Original post from BG6

Can I ask why there is such intense vitriol for JJ? Some of the same people commenting were commenting before the World Cup when he was arguably the best field player or at least one of the best and again before Copa America when he was among the best. Since he came to mls he led two teams to mls cup finals (revs fan yes he was the primary driver at least there). He played prior in the bundesliga. From the comments here some seem to imply he doesn't know how to play the game or is the primary problem in the locker room. Yes he is absolutely is nearing the end of his shelf life and we should be moving on but he is a good player. I don't understand the apparent intense personal hatred for the guy.


Because USNT fans don't root for "foreigners" in the same way that they root for "Americans." I'm not accusing anyone in this thread of that kind of behavior, but anyone who doesn't notice this from the general public is completely blind.

Jones was by far our best player last World Cup. His tenaciousness is exactly what we expect in a USNT player. And perhaps more importantly, he is one of the most important leaders in the locker room, and demands the same level of intensity from his teammates. His club CV is probably the best of any USNT field player. Yet he does not get a fraction of the praise that Dempsey, Donovan, Bradley, etc. got throughout their careers. If you look at the comments on recent USNT articles, it's nothing but insults. People seem to hate him. I guarantee you that when Dempsey starts to show signs of slowing down, the reaction will be very different.

And I mean people actively root against Green. The kid scored an amazing goal for us in the World Cup and people just love to trash him. If he weren't a dual national, the response would be completely different. I think this is undeniable.

This was most obvious with Klinsmann. I'm not going to get in an argument about whether or not he should have been fired. Maybe he actually did lose the locker room (although no one here would know that). But if you don't think last cycle went well, there is something wrong with your brain. Despite having the toughest schedule we've ever had (toughest friendly schedule, toughest CONCACAF ever), he set the fucking record for winning percentage in a cycle. Then we get stuck with the Group of Death at the World Cup with the spine of our team missing (no Donovan, no Jozy, and no Bradley...we might as well have been playing with ten men because that's how bad we was). We qualified for the knockout rounds with ease (and would have in the second game, for the first time ever, if Bradley hadn't needlessly coughed up the ball in the final seconds), and then were a Wondo away from beating a Belgium team on a different planet than us (none of our players could have made it into their squad). It was a fucking fantastic World Cup. I've never been so proud of our team (I was just getting into soccer in '02 and didn't realize how significant it was), and everyone around me couldn't stop talking about how great we were that tournament (literally all of the Argentines and foreigners I talked to about it; I was living in Buenos Aires). Yet everything I read on the internet was people trying to downplay our performance. It was like they didn't even enjoy it because our coach is a foreigner and they didn't want to see him do well.

And after the World Cup, there was hardly any praise for him, and he is by far the most hated and criticized coach we've ever had. The general consensus is that he is a shit coach. Well I'm sorry, but if you were a shit coach, you wouldn't be able to overhaul the German national team or get that 2014 USNT team out of that group. Sure, he's not a world class coach, but I think he's better than any of these MLS guys. As soon as an MLS team actually does something in an international competition, or we send a coach that succeeds abroad (in a top tier league), I'll change my mind. It's one thing if you disagree with me on Klinsmann, but anyone who thinks he was significantly worse than either Arena or Bradley is simply delusional, and those guys did not receive a fraction of the criticism and downright hate that Klinsmann got. Next cycle, when Vermes takes over, if the team starts sucking, I guarantee you no one will hate him like they hated Klinsmann. I mean Jesus Christ, aren't we supposed to be rooting for these guys?
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kernn63
Post #21
Friday March 31, 2017 7:30pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 263
I don't see the vitriol to be honest. Rightly or wrongly, Bradley probably gets more focus of fans in terms of criticism.

In terms of effort and putting it all out there for his country, Jones is very high on my list. (I think we get to the final 8 in 2010 with him....moving Ricardo Clark off of the field and next to Bob Bradley.)

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #22
Friday March 31, 2017 9:48pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,310
It only matters how Arena rates Jones...everything else is just chatter. Everyone has their own bias...we'll found out soon if Arena has a role for Jones.

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