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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #526
Thursday March 30, 2017 8:52pm

Joined May 2013
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I like Cameron at Dmid over MB...currently, I don't think we can do better than Cam/MB/Pulisic in the middle in a 4-2-3-1. But as of yet, with a couple rare exceptions, Cam hasn't been available to play Dmid. Once we have another CB step up to fill his position next to Brooks, then we'll have the makings of a very solid midfield spine.

Getting JJ out of the middle is step 1, getting Cam to Dmid is step 2...until then MB is our deep mid...he isn't a classic 6...just the best option until we have Cam or equivalent quality at Dmid.

joey11
Post #527
Thursday March 30, 2017 9:07pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 263
Original post from Rey Regicide

Is it the Asian or the Oceania contingent? I thought Mexico played New Zealand in the playoff?
Each year they draw for who you play. the first we drew the South American 5th place I believe, last WC we drew Oceania this WC we drew Asia (we as in CONCACAF)

TheTruth
Post #528
Friday March 31, 2017 12:00am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Original post from cleancutimage

Crying at the bold portion. He learned that from Donovan because that is Landon's only 1 v 1 move. Chest the ball down hard enough in front of you and chase after it, kick it far enough and chase after it, thigh it down the field far enough and chase after it, knee it down the field far enough then chase after it, or head it down far enough then chase after it. I have never seen Landon Donovan do a step over, never. He just kicks the ball forward and runs after it. But some of you claim he is God's gift to the US, if that is the case then maybe we are still a ways back because in my opinion all he is better at than Dempsey is taking pks, corner kicks, tracking back and his natural speed. Other than that Dempsey is the better player by far.


Well, I'm one of the many who thinks Lando is our best player of all time, but no, no one has ever claimed that Lando was a good 1 v 1 player.

And BTW, Pulisic is better than Lando was at 18.

I don't think any of these statements is controversial, but I'm sure some numbnuts will find a way to disagree.

TheTruth
Post #529
Friday March 31, 2017 12:07am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Original post from Rey Regicide

I think you have to assess it granular.

When you can't make a tackle in midfield with coverage, and are caught yards to the flank position, that's your fault.

That play reminded me of Torres's positioning deficiencies in 2010 where everyone got on him vs Slovenia. That he got caught out too far and Bradley subsequently
was too far up as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0eeTplJ6zY

remember this, there's actual proof of this happening, lol actually Bradley was probably partly responsible here too lol Torres was reamed for that, as well as his insistence of playing short passes and wanting time on the ball.

You know what I find odd is that people swear Bradley is a CDM. I can literally pull hundreds of of memories i have and videos of him going up and down the field and scoring a late run into the box goal (ala Gerrard during mid 2000's or Lampard during the totality of his career). Even his shots from outside the box are CM lion box to box type. Can't remember too many times Bradley came through picking off passes like a Reyna (he too wasn't a true CDM). I know you're not going to have videos of those, at least not by themselves, but in the Spain game I remember incredible amounts of times Ricardo Clark outsmarted the Spanish defense and didn't' destroy but intercepted passes. In that game Bradley was incredible, but he was a tackler, and again in my little pointless diatribe where I asked who should be doing what, many of us feel that's what you want your CM to do.

I wonder if people say Bradley's a CDM because they don't understand the position and think the limited expectation/responsibilities will suddenly yield a better Bradley. If he's done, he's done. The sooner Arena can admit to that the sooner we can get Acosta in to do the things we loved about Baby MB90.

Or maybe, and this is a deep seated wish, the sooner we can get a healthy Lletget, Nagbe, Hyndman etc to come into the middle (the REAL MIDDLE) and patrol it and control it in other ways that don't involve inertia momentum or athleticism....


Yeah, no doubt most people w/ sense would say Bradley's best position is box-to-box.

Any CDM push you perceive is probably due to putting a stake in the ground and saying he's a lock-in to start (that's not how I think things SHOULD be, more a reflection of how things ARE).

TheTruth
Post #530
Friday March 31, 2017 12:12am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Well, I said it 6 months ago and I know others starting saying it even earlier, but it's time to experiment w/o Bradley. He must be great in the locker room of practice or something. Quite a head scratcher. But we're talking practice, man. Practice.

And I know why people are getting all bent out of shape over JJ. The problem will fix itself. It was all a matter of the timing. I've always been a big proponent of JJ, but I assumed his days w/ USMNT would be numbered after his injury last season.

cleancutimage
Post #531
Friday March 31, 2017 12:41am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,176
Original post from TheTruth

Well, I'm one of the many who thinks Lando is our best player of all time, but no, no one has ever claimed that Lando was a good 1 v 1 player.

And BTW, Pulisic is better than Lando was at 18.

I don't think any of these statements is controversial, but I'm sure some numbnuts will find a way to disagree.


I do not remember seeing Landon at age 18 but I would imagine with where Pulisic is at in life and Landon not having the same success abroad at that age. Pulisic is miles ahead. Pulisic will soon be recognized as the best American ever but it is too soon to place that upon him.

My top 10 list:
1. Clint Dempsey 2. Claudio Reyna 3. Landon Donovan 4. Brad Friedel 5. Brian McBride, Tab Ramos, Cherundolo, Kasey Keller, Run DMB, John O'Brien(would be higher if he wasn't injury-prone)(tie)

Deserves consideration: Harkes, Eddie Lewis, Eddie Pope, Tony Sanneh, Dooley

skangles
DC
Post #532
Friday March 31, 2017 1:38am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,169
Here's a breakdown of the final points table for each Hex since the format was adapted for the 1998 cycle.

2014: 22, 18, 15, 11, 8, 5
2010: 20, 19, 16, 16, 8, 6
2006: 22, 22, 16, 13, 11, 2
2002: 23, 17, 17, 14, 8, 5
1998: 18, 17, 14, 12, 10, 6

Dave
Post #533
Friday March 31, 2017 2:17am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 690
Original post from skangles

Here's a breakdown of the final points table for each Hex since the format was adapted for the 1998 cycle.

2014: 22, 18, 15, 11, 8, 5
2010: 20, 19, 16, 16, 8, 6
2006: 22, 22, 16, 13, 11, 2
2002: 23, 17, 17, 14, 8, 5
1998: 18, 17, 14, 12, 10, 6


Puts things into perspective since the lowest automatic birth was 14 points. We're currently sitting in 4th w/ 4 points out of 4 games, with 6 games to go.

2 games against T&T (home & away) - 6 pts
1 game away to Mex - 0 pts
1 game home to CR - 1 pt
1 game away to Hon - 1 pt
1 game home to Pan - 3 pts

Based on our most recent performances these are the outcomes I'm predicting. This would give us 15 pts...and automatic qualification. It'll be tight but it can be done.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #534
Friday March 31, 2017 2:32am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,197
I watched LD in his first season with the Quakes when he came from Germany. I think he was 18 or 19. Imo, Pulisic is an overall more complete player at a comparable age. Mentally very consistent and mature...that wasn't exactly the case with LD early on...he would turn it off and on...tune out a bit...fade in and out of games.

There are a lot similarities though, the speed of thought, vision, quickness, passing ability and finishing are almost identical.

The two biggest differences are Pulisic is a better dribbler in tight space and he is much stronger and heavier on the ball in challenges and more gritty defensively...no fear of slamming into bigger players. His game is more suitable to also play him centrally.

LD didn't dribble really, he would pass and run into space and leave people in the dust. Totally different approach for getting by defenders...It was more efficient for him than carrying the ball...LD exploited any amount of space. In a flat out foot race without the ball, I think LD was faster...he really had freakish speed.

Finishing is comparable, both are killers...maybe a slight edge to LD at a comparable age.

I'm a huge fan of both. Pulisic has the potential to have a more significant impact with the nats. I don't care about stats over a career...more to do with him having a bigger impact getting us farther in the WC...showing up big in the quarters or semis...that will do more to define where he ranks in the pantheon of US soccer than career stats...

Hoping he scores or sets up a handful of huge ass game changing goals for us down the road.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #535
Friday March 31, 2017 3:13am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,872
Original post from cleancutimage
My top 10 list:
1. Clint Dempsey 2. Claudio Reyna 3. Landon Donovan 4. Brad Friedel 5. Brian McBride, Tab Ramos, Cherundolo, Kasey Keller, Run DMB, John O'Brien(would be higher if he wasn't injury-prone)(tie)

Deserves consideration: Harkes, Eddie Lewis, Eddie Pope, Tony Sanneh, Dooley


You could very, very fairly place Friedel as tied for first. Beast for club and country.

also, as usual, fuck John Harkes

cleancutimage
Post #536
Friday March 31, 2017 3:23am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,176
Original post from Dave

Puts things into perspective since the lowest automatic birth was 14 points. We're currently sitting in 4th w/ 4 points out of 4 games, with 6 games to go.

2 games against T&T (home & away) - 6 pts
1 game away to Mex - 0 pts
1 game home to CR - 1 pt
1 game away to Hon - 1 pt
1 game home to Pan - 3 pts

Based on our most recent performances these are the outcomes I'm predicting. This would give us 15 pts...and automatic qualification. It'll be tight but it can be done.


I think you are being a bit pessimistic and playing it safe and rightfully so based on our recent performances because I would like to say. 6pts from both T&T games, 0 Mexico away, 3 pts vs. CR at home(in a payback match looking very similar to how we did them in Copa America Centenario), 3 vs. Honduras away(Honduras is the team they have been), 3 pts at home vs. Panama. I am thinking there is no reason we shouldn't finish with 19 points and qualify second. But that would count on our roster depth and fit players, players playing up to their talents and so on and so on...

cleancutimage
Post #537
Friday March 31, 2017 3:25am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,176
Original post from mmee

You could very, very fairly place Friedel as tied for first. Beast for club and country.

also, as usual, fuck John Harkes


Easily but I cannot for the life of me put a gk as our best player ever, no matter how ignorant that may sound. I heard the other day that Buffon is being considering their best player ever and that is crazy to me with all the talent they have but he is that good and has been that dependable for that long, you could say that.

Dave
Post #538
Friday March 31, 2017 4:27am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 690
Original post from cleancutimage

I think you are being a bit pessimistic and playing it safe and rightfully so based on our recent performances because I would like to say. 6pts from both T&T games, 0 Mexico away, 3 pts vs. CR at home(in a payback match looking very similar to how we did them in Copa America Centenario), 3 vs. Honduras away(Honduras is the team they have been), 3 pts at home vs. Panama. I am thinking there is no reason we shouldn't finish with 19 points and qualify second. But that would count on our roster depth and fit players, players playing up to their talents and so on and so on...


I agree I am being a little pessimistic, but after the shitty performances put in against Panama It could also be fairly realistic. I realize we had a number of our players out injured....Yedlin, Cameron, Brooks, Fabian, Wood, etc... but our play was very, very sloppy. We gave up possession frequently and rarely challenged Panama.

Rey Regicide
Post #539
Friday March 31, 2017 12:15pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,774
Totally ruing the fact we gave up 2 points in those 3 minutes after the goal.

TheTruth
Post #540
Friday March 31, 2017 1:16pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Original post from cleancutimage

I do not remember seeing Landon at age 18 but I would imagine with where Pulisic is at in life and Landon not having the same success abroad at that age. Pulisic is miles ahead. Pulisic will soon be recognized as the best American ever but it is too soon to place that upon him.

My top 10 list:
1. Clint Dempsey 2. Claudio Reyna 3. Landon Donovan 4. Brad Friedel 5. Brian McBride, Tab Ramos, Cherundolo, Kasey Keller, Run DMB, John O'Brien(would be higher if he wasn't injury-prone)(tie)

Deserves consideration: Harkes, Eddie Lewis, Eddie Pope, Tony Sanneh, Dooley


Oh, Lando was great at 18. Got his 1st cap. You knew he was something special. Kids developed in the US just didn't play like that.

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