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Post #511
Thursday March 30, 2017 5:21am

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The USMNT has to win every home game form here on out and get at least 1 road win to finish in the top three.

Likeliest road win is at T&T.

admsghs27
Post #512
Thursday March 30, 2017 6:10am

Joined Nov 2012
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Couldn't agree more we should win our remaining home games with at least 1 win away and a tie and loss. But if I was to predict our away games I would say we lose at Honduras they get revenge on an afternoon hot humid game. Then tie T&T and even tho we dominate and finally get out revenge and make history at Azteca 2-0 just like they did in Columbus and we get our sweet revenge and rewrite history. Therefore getting top 3 finish back maybe even win the hex.

hamsamwich
Post #513
Thursday March 30, 2017 6:30am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,428
Is that blind faith? With what evidence are we going into Azteca and winning 2-0? You spend 2 years panning the team for being inconsistent, we show more of it again, and worse- whether through injuries or changes the team appears to have no continuity or trust in the next guy. Our plan was found out in game 4 by Panama and we need to show something more in the next road game. The first two have been awful and then poor. Azteca with the Mexicans current form looks like damage control for us. We can't decide on a CB pairing, a CM pairing or a CF pairing. The center of the team is in flux. Good thing we do have Bradley, although in retrospect watching him more, his free role played more to his strengths. He really needs to improve as a holding midfielder in every aspect if he's going to play there. The box to box, all action MB 90 is better than this new forced creation. But he's a great player and will adjust- he's not who I'm worried about. It's the CB pairing....

Dave
Post #514
Thursday March 30, 2017 6:54am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 662
@hamsamwich - I'm not worried about our CBs. When healthy the pairing of Cameron & Brooks is hard to beat. Cameron provides the organization/leadership while Brooks provides the speed. Both are good at distributing from the back. When either is out we start to have issues because the gap between the 1st string and the 2nd is huge....by the time we get to 4th stringers like Ream we're in serious trouble.
Our CF options are actually fairly strong. Jozy & Wood are good selections. With Dempsey back (potentially) it throws things into a bit of flux, but it's not a bad thing. The 4th striker is a toss up between Morris (leading the way), Agudelo, Boyd, ArJo, & Green. Who actually claims it the 4th spot will have to earn it.
Questions surrounding the CM positions have existed since the 2010 WC when it was Edu, Clark, or Torres to partner w/ Bradley. 2014 it was Bradley & Jones without much competition (Diskerud & Beckerman). Now it's still Bradley & Jones, but there is a fair amount of challengers...Williams, Morales, Lletget, Acosta, Feilhaber, & Kljestan.
Recent games have shown that Bradley & Jones are not playing well together. It's time to try a different pairing.

skangles
DC
Post #515
Thursday March 30, 2017 11:36am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 4,989
Original post from 2tone

The USMNT has to win every home game form here on out and get at least 1 road win to finish in the top three.

Likeliest road win is at T&T.


14 points is normally the amount you need for a top 3 finish. If the US gets the 3 home wins plus 1 road draw and 2 road losses it would likely suffice. On the other hand 2 home wins, 1 home draw and 3 road losses still gives us a shot at the playoff against the Asian team.

Rey Regicide
Post #516
Thursday March 30, 2017 12:28pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,696
Original post from cleancutimage

Bradley is very inconsistent. Has been that way the last couple of years or so. He hasn't been one of our more reliable players.

You have some games were Bradley is assertive and his passing is on point and you have some matches where Bradley is passive and his passes do not reach their intended target often. Maybe you can blame Klinsmann for that because he never had a true role but in two matches one good, one not so good then maybe it wasn't all Klinsmann.


I think you have to assess it granular.

When you can't make a tackle in midfield with coverage, and are caught yards to the flank position, that's your fault.

That play reminded me of Torres's positioning deficiencies in 2010 where everyone got on him vs Slovenia. That he got caught out too far and Bradley subsequently
was too far up as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0eeTplJ6zY

remember this, there's actual proof of this happening, lol actually Bradley was probably partly responsible here too lol Torres was reamed for that, as well as his insistence of playing short passes and wanting time on the ball.

You know what I find odd is that people swear Bradley is a CDM. I can literally pull hundreds of of memories i have and videos of him going up and down the field and scoring a late run into the box goal (ala Gerrard during mid 2000's or Lampard during the totality of his career). Even his shots from outside the box are CM lion box to box type. Can't remember too many times Bradley came through picking off passes like a Reyna (he too wasn't a true CDM). I know you're not going to have videos of those, at least not by themselves, but in the Spain game I remember incredible amounts of times Ricardo Clark outsmarted the Spanish defense and didn't' destroy but intercepted passes. In that game Bradley was incredible, but he was a tackler, and again in my little pointless diatribe where I asked who should be doing what, many of us feel that's what you want your CM to do.

I wonder if people say Bradley's a CDM because they don't understand the position and think the limited expectation/responsibilities will suddenly yield a better Bradley. If he's done, he's done. The sooner Arena can admit to that the sooner we can get Acosta in to do the things we loved about Baby MB90.

Or maybe, and this is a deep seated wish, the sooner we can get a healthy Lletget, Nagbe, Hyndman etc to come into the middle (the REAL MIDDLE) and patrol it and control it in other ways that don't involve inertia momentum or athleticism....

Rey Regicide
Post #517
Thursday March 30, 2017 12:34pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,696
Same thing about Jones btw.

hamsamwich
Post #518
Thursday March 30, 2017 1:50pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,428
@dave- yea we have options, the talent pool is larger. But with 4-5 months to pick a team, coach Arena went with Brooks and Gonzalez, not your selected pairing. So there isn't a "best pairing", at least not in arena's mind. As for forward, it's a fact that Arena got lucky with the injuries, as 4 goal star Dempsey would have been on the bench. So yea we have depth, but is there a first choice?

I know we had injuries, but the coach had 2 months or so before the January camp and now two months or so since. And he was hired because he was "the best guy for right now" because of his knowledge of the players, etc.... so he already should have k own what to do, who to play. Four games into the cycle and we starting to resemble Mexico circa 2013-14. Have to beat T&T because we will lose to Mexico in our current state.

hamsamwich
Post #519
Thursday March 30, 2017 3:35pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,428
Also, people assume we would beat for example, Australia, in a 2 game playoff. Or Japan or Saudi Arabia. Maybe. Let's not get to that by missing more opportunities. Looking at the big picture, we will have probably 7, hopefully 8 points after round 6. Testy last few games coming up.

Rey Regicide
Post #520
Thursday March 30, 2017 3:50pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,696
Is it the Asian or the Oceania contingent? I thought Mexico played New Zealand in the playoff?

Rey Regicide
Post #521
Thursday March 30, 2017 3:51pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,696
nm it's the fifth place from AFC... damn fifth place? lol

tylercocinas
Post #522
Thursday March 30, 2017 3:52pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,076
To Bradley's credit he would probably be better with a CM partner who wasn't quite as marauding as Jermaine Jones. He's literally all over the field, which makes simplifying Bradley's role more difficult. If both CMs kept it simple, and one got involved in the attack in a more defined predictable way while the other stayed back, it would probably help the midfield chemistry. That CM could very well be Acosta. But if we play with Pulisic as an advanced attacking midfielder then theres only going to be one CM, so you'll have to choose based on who we're playing which one would be the best fit.

On another note, the current teams USMNT would play if they went to the 4th place playoff, would be either Uzbekistan or Australia. I don't take it for granted that the US would beat either in a 2-legged series, but at full strength, I would feel very very confident. If the team takes care of business the rest of the way though, it will be a moot point, because they'll finish 3rd.

Rey Regicide
Post #523
Thursday March 30, 2017 4:05pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,696
If we're saying who's the best CDM, how can anyone say that Bradley is better than Cameron at this point?

Cameron is on a competition level above Danny Williams (how I admit is a darn good CM).

He's above Kitchen's, Trapps', etc all of these other players. He's putting good performances. To top it off he's got the best technique.

If we say that Bradley is no longer a box to box, (i think he can still offer that in spurts, coming off the bench until his form comes back, if it ever does.) How does Cameron not come off on top in terms of direct comparison?

skangles
DC
Post #524
Thursday March 30, 2017 6:21pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 4,989
Original post from hamsamwich

Also, people assume we would beat for example, Australia, in a 2 game playoff. Or Japan or Saudi Arabia. Maybe. Let's not get to that by missing more opportunities. Looking at the big picture, we will have probably 7, hopefully 8 points after round 6. Testy last few games coming up.


No doubt that it is far from a given that the US would win the playoff but finishing 4th keeps the World Cup dream alive. I would be way more nervous if Concacaf only had 3 spots instead of 3.5.

mhdtown
Post #525
Thursday March 30, 2017 7:37pm

Joined Oct 2015
Total Posts: 17
Original post from 2tone

The USMNT has to win every home game form here on out and get at least 1 road win to finish in the top three.

Likeliest road win is at T&T.


Ticos at home (should win), T&T on the road (as close as you can get to a should win on the road in the hex), Honduras on the road (tough to win) will likely decide our fate in my view. Historically need 16 or so points to feel pretty confident about finishing in the top 3. A point at Azteca might mean we can get away with draws on the road at T&T and Honduras. Big ask though.

I think we end up in an automatic qualifier spot.

With respect to Pulisic, I would certainly expect to see more teams game planning for him going forward now that it is clear he is a central part of the team. I hope people keep in mind that many good defensive teams can mark a single player out of the game if they are able to devote the resources (i.e. don't have to worry too much about being exposed by other really good players). That is one (I think pretty convincing) theory about why Messi "struggles" for Argentina in consequential matches against world class opposition as compared to his incredible success with Barca.

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