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dolcem
Post #91
Tuesday June 6, 2017 10:45pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from blaise213

Right on Tyler kitchen!

As for the rest of the roster, should've called in the youngsters instead of same old players and the garbage MLS players. I've barely watched MLS this year....

Players that should've been called in:

Haji Wright
Aron Johannsson
Timothy Tillman
CCV
and a bunch of youngsters I don't feel like naming


Blaise, I've already responded to this sentiment:

Original post from dolcem

I disagree. While it's good to bring in a couple young guys, it's not good for team chemistry to just overload the roster with youth just because they're young. The most important thing for maintaining the best possible team spirit is making sure that hard work and a good attitude is what gets you onto the squad, not talent alone. Bringing in young players is the exact opposite.

I want my bench players who work their asses off in training and give off the right vibes (and there's plenty of psychological evidence to back this up). Watching Nick Rimando celebrate goals reminds me why Klinsmann would pick him as the 3rd keeper. Of course he never was going to play, but his dedication and love for the game is contagious. Might as well have a bench full if guys with that attitude as it'll rub off on the starters too. Picking a bunch of arrogant kids just because they're talented for their age is a horrible way to run a locker room.

This whole idea that the national team is for player development is completely off-base. The national team meets for a couple weeks a year. It will have very little impact on the trajectory of these kids' development. The national team's performance should never be sacrificed for their sake.

Original post from dolcem

I'm not saying the kids have attitude problems. It's that they haven't spent years fighting in the trenches, getting by on heart alone, like guys like Wondo and Gordon. There's a reason the coaches pick some of these MLS players we complain about. They see them every day in training, and know that their drive and work ethic is second to none. If a young kid has proved himself to be like that, sure let him play, but let's not just play kids because they're young. The last message we want to send to the players is that talent is what you gets you call-ups. The message is supposed to be that the hard-workers will be rewarded, no matter how good they are. This is what you want your players to believe in. The kids' clubs are responsible for their development. These MLS veterans are better guys to have in a locker room. Some day, some of those kids will be there, but until that day, let them wait.
GET A CLUB TEAM
cudevil
Post #92
Wednesday June 7, 2017 4:51am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,105
Original post from Know Nothing

He has more future upside than Wondo (You asked the question)


Saying he has a better future than Wondo only means that Wondo shouldn't be there. Absolutely no reason to call in ArJo.

Know Nothing
Post #93
Wednesday June 7, 2017 6:13am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,827
Original post from cudevil

Saying he has a better future than Wondo only means that Wondo shouldn't be there. Absolutely no reason to call in ArJo.


I don't disagree with you...just answering your question as to why he should be there (neither should be there)

northstream
Post #94
Saturday June 10, 2017 3:15pm

Joined Jun 2016
Total Posts: 66
One name I thought we'd maybe see was Gooch. Wonder if that's injury or desire to stay in Sunderland and try and earn a starting spot for next season.

Dave
Post #95
Saturday June 10, 2017 6:26pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,111
I'm interested to see how some of the fringe players perform during this tournament. The players who have a chance to truly raise their standing within the player pool. These are the players I think could, if they perform well, be relied on to really contribute going forward.
Nagbe - Will have a chance to step up and show his leadership. Without the big name guys (Dempsey, Bradley, Etc...) we need a leader. This should help his confidence when the big boys come back into the team.
Jordan Morris - currently our #4 striker option, but hasn't really solidified this. In the Group stage he should get starter minutes to build his experience.
Juan Agudelo - a player who has talent, but hasn't been able to be consistent enough. If he does well he could be a good option in the event of injuries to out top options.
Greg Garza - Finally appears to be fully recovered from his surgeries. Will be nice to know if we've got a 2nd true option at LB.
Kellyn Acosta - Without Jones & Bradley should get staring experience, and help determine what he's really capable of.
Arriola, Saief, Zardes - players who could greatly raise their standings. We need options & speed out wide, and these 3 could become our replacements to guys like Bedoya...and/or backups to Fabian/Nagbe/Pulisic.
Roldan - With Lletget out injured this should be a good opportunity to see what Roldan can bring. He's done well with his club and brings a lot of versatility. A combination of Acosta & Roldan could be interesting.

bjelks
Post #96
Saturday June 10, 2017 7:39pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,754
@Dave Mia is Wright, Mckennie, Hyndman, Gooch, D. Will, Koreinick.
goalsense
chillguy1992
Post #97
Monday June 12, 2017 5:20am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
This is a make or break situation for a number of players if they want to get onto the main 23 man roster for Russia.

Eric Lichaj has a slight opening with Timmy Chandler not a lock to be in the 23. Plus his biggest competition for the minutes is Zusi. If he is unable to dislodge Zusi he will be very unlikely to go to Russia.

Greg Garza is dealing with Villafana as the number 1 with Beasley a solid veteran number 2. He will have to show why he can be trusted off the bench as the back up left back.

Matt Besler seems to have fallen behind Tim Ream. With Tim Reams good showing against Mexico Besler will have to show why he will be able to make it into the 23. I doubt he ends up going to Russia if Ream and Brooks stay healthy.

Kenny Saief if he plays in the gold cup could be very valuable in figuring out if he could break into the 23. From there he could fight for a spot in left midfield if nagbe and Pulisc stay in the middle. He also could be very valuable depth to have off the bench.

Any of the goalkeepers named other then guzan and Howard. Fight for third goalkeeper spot. It seems Rimando or Horvath seems odds on favorite however a lot can change in a year. Will be pivotal to see if Johnson or Hamid can take that next step in Intl play. I am not certain Bednik ends up as starting goalkeeper but if he does will be grim signs for both players future with national team.

Klijestan, Feilhaber, Nyugen, Evans and Beckerman are in pretty bad spots going forward. As not being named to WCQ Roster or 40 man roster seems hard to overcome. As all are over 30 this means it is unlikely they make the 23 for Russia. I think Klijestan is the only likely one of these group that might have a chance of sneaking onto some rosters and potentially showing enough to be in consideration. The rest I put chances at just about zero.

chillguy1992
Post #98
Monday June 12, 2017 5:27am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
Original post from Dave

I'm interested to see how some of the fringe players perform during this tournament. The players who have a chance to truly raise their standing within the player pool. These are the players I think could, if they perform well, be relied on to really contribute going forward.
Nagbe - Will have a chance to step up and show his leadership. Without the big name guys (Dempsey, Bradley, Etc...) we need a leader. This should help his confidence when the big boys come back into the team.
Jordan Morris - currently our #4 striker option, but hasn't really solidified this. In the Group stage he should get starter minutes to build his experience.
Juan Agudelo - a player who has talent, but hasn't been able to be consistent enough. If he does well he could be a good option in the event of injuries to out top options.
Greg Garza - Finally appears to be fully recovered from his surgeries. Will be nice to know if we've got a 2nd true option at LB.
Kellyn Acosta - Without Jones & Bradley should get staring experience, and help determine what he's really capable of.
Arriola, Saief, Zardes - players who could greatly raise their standings. We need options & speed out wide, and these 3 could become our replacements to guys like Bedoya...and/or backups to Fabian/Nagbe/Pulisic.
Roldan - With Lletget out injured this should be a good opportunity to see what Roldan can bring. He's done well with his club and brings a lot of versatility. A combination of Acosta & Roldan could be interesting.


I feel pretty comfortable in Nagbe and Acosta both I think have great chances to really be the best players on the field for the US in the gold cup. I think Bedoya should be sweating as Arriola Saief and Zardes are young and hungry. Plus Bedoya seems to be seen as a winger at Intl level but he does run into issues of lacking top end speed to get by players plus unsure what his role would be in Russia. Can easily use nagbe if we are looking to close shop for a game and use Zardes or Arriola if down a goal. My concern with Agudelo is with Wood Altidore Dempsey Morris it will be hard to dislodge one of them in the 23. Morris might be the one but he is still developing and seems more prepared for the Intl game then Agudelo has.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #99
Monday June 12, 2017 11:32pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,595
Next up Ghana!

coverby
Post #100
Tuesday June 13, 2017 1:55am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
Looks like Jesse Gonzalez has filed paperwork to switch
https://twitter.com/stuholden/status/87441969...

Dave
Post #101
Tuesday June 13, 2017 2:32am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,111
Original post from chillguy1992

I feel pretty comfortable in Nagbe and Acosta both I think have great chances to really be the best players on the field for the US in the gold cup. I think Bedoya should be sweating as Arriola Saief and Zardes are young and hungry. Plus Bedoya seems to be seen as a winger at Intl level but he does run into issues of lacking top end speed to get by players plus unsure what his role would be in Russia. Can easily use nagbe if we are looking to close shop for a game and use Zardes or Arriola if down a goal..


Another player I feel will be pushing for inclusion is Gooch. Was really disappointed he wasn't called in for the GC....but he's another Wide player I believe could help our squad. He's more attack minded than Bedoya....but has more grit than Arriola. He plays with a chip on his shoulder (a lot like Dempsey), connects his passes well, and puts in good crosses.
If Saief shows well during the GC we could have some real competition out wide....
Wide Midfielders: Fabian, Pulisic, Nagbe, Arriola, Gooch, Saief, Zardes....Each have different qualities that could provide a match-up challenge for the opposition.

navi8132
New York
Post #102
Tuesday June 13, 2017 2:13pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
For me, I see Zach Steffan being our GK in the 2022 World Cup. He is a boss.

Dave
Post #103
Wednesday June 14, 2017 2:50am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,111
Original post from navi8132

For me, I see Zach Steffan being our GK in the 2022 World Cup. He is a boss.


There is going to be serious competition for the starting keeper spot in 2022. Horvath, Steffen, & Gonzalez are all the same age and of similar caliber. If Horvath is the starter next season in Belgium I'd give him the slight edge of the 3 as he'll be in higher level competitions. Then there are guys like Hamid & S. Johnson, if they can stay healthy & consistent could easily make a push to claim a spot.

Looking at the player pool (top to bottom) there is going to be significant turn-over after the 2018 WC. Howard, Dempsey, Jones, Cameron, Besler, Gonzalez, Ream Bedoya, & Zusi will all be done (9). Guzan, Bradley, Fabian, Nagbe, Morales, Williams, Lichaj, Chandler, & Villafana, will likely fall away over the next couple years (9). That's 18 players from this cycles player pool that will likely be phased out over in short order.

That said a lot is going to depend on who the manager is after 2018 for how quickly the 2nd group will be phased out.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #104
Wednesday June 14, 2017 7:56pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
I think I'd love to get some answers on Agudelo, Dwyer and Sapong more than anything else this gold cup.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #105
Saturday June 17, 2017 10:13pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
That, and frankly I'd be fine with going with guys under 30 caps all the way.
I know that could affect who goes to the 2021 Confed Cup, but I'd accept it.

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