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Rey Regicide
Post #16
Wednesday March 8, 2017 1:54pm

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Want to know what was interesting with EPB at holding mid. HE literally threw everyone around int he middle of the park, while not sacrificing ANY speed of thought.

What do we not like about him in central of the park again? He looked comfortable in possession.

I agree he can and probably will be our best CB.

But... what gave us cause for concern? He actually looks REAL intelligent too. His movements on the pitch, his ability to cover for Trusty (who, I'm sorry to pick on the kid, but that guy has ALWAYS made mistakes)... he snuffed out a run into the penalty box, I thought the Honduran player was goign to dribble around him or draw a penalty, and he made an incredible tackle/clearance while going full speed one way... just beautiful.

Rey Regicide
Post #17
Wednesday March 8, 2017 1:59pm

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The reason I bring it up is because we have not 1, not 2, but like 4 to 5 CB's that I'm excited about.

Glad
CCV
Miazga
Zimmerman etc

all these guys, as well as Brooks

... .and here's a lol, I think Chandler is going to get converted to a CB in 2 years.

So there's going to be plenty of cover there. But there is literally no def mid that I'm giddy about. Canouse is nice, don't get me wrong, so is stanko, Kitchen I've always been lukewarm and the dude is 24, 25 just breaking through Scotland. But absolutely NONE of those guys has the athleticism/skill/ and from what I saw, intelligence that EPB showed.

We need more test data, most definitely, wouldn't you at least give it a shot? U 20 put him there, see what he can do with much MUCH better competition.

Know Nothing
Post #18
Wednesday March 8, 2017 3:46pm

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Original post from Rey Regicide

The reason I bring it up is because we have not 1, not 2, but like 4 to 5 CB's that I'm excited about.

Glad
CCV
Miazga
Zimmerman etc

all these guys, as well as Brooks

... .and here's a lol, I think Chandler is going to get converted to a CB in 2 years.

So there's going to be plenty of cover there. But there is literally no def mid that I'm giddy about. Canouse is nice, don't get me wrong, so is stanko, Kitchen I've always been lukewarm and the dude is 24, 25 just breaking through Scotland. But absolutely NONE of those guys has the athleticism/skill/ and from what I saw, intelligence that EPB showed.

We need more test data, most definitely, wouldn't you at least give it a shot? U 20 put him there, see what he can do with much MUCH better competition.


+1

bjelks
Post #19
Wednesday March 8, 2017 4:12pm

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I personally prefer quicker guys that are more dynamic getting forward at CDM like an Acosta, D. Wil, Morales.

I prefer bigger guys at CB. Miazga, CCV, EPB shoudl be competing for a starting CB role in 2018.

Anecdotally, I'm interested in seeing more Garza at LB and Fab at LM.

My biggest concern is who will be the play maker that can pass through the middle and create space, while not being a liability defensively.
goalsense
Rey Regicide
Post #20
Wednesday March 8, 2017 4:46pm

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I worry about a CDM who gets forward. The CDM, I feel, barring like a counter off a corner, where he fiends himself in front of everyone ..should be always looking to intercept a pass, even if the team has the ball, he should always be thinking "where can this go wrong?"

the only way he moves the team forward is either through a pass to someone behind the midfield line, or a back pass to someone who has humanity right in front of him.

bjelks
Post #21
Wednesday March 8, 2017 4:53pm

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I worry about CDM that can't pass forward. This player will kill our attacks and be liable to turn the ball over in dangerous places. That's why I prefer a CDM that's more of a midfielder than defender.

For example, the best American CDM is clearly John O'Brien.

Edgar Davids
Claud Makelele
Daniel De Rossi
Sergio Busquets
goalsense
Rey Regicide
Post #22
Wednesday March 8, 2017 5:18pm

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Yea def,

Davids, De Rossi are real great. But I would agrue at cetrian points they served as CM's because they could. Davids is a beast, De Rossi is athleticially nimble can run for days.
Davids at one point, very early in his career was a winger.

Busquets has started to suck of late. My theory,and I would love Dolcems take on this, is he's now being exposed in open waters. furthur up the pitch

Busquets for awhile was strictly a "holding" mid. I honestly feel that if you require your mid to race up past the ball or with the ball, you're not "holding" a line.

bjelks
Post #23
Wednesday March 8, 2017 6:48pm

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I would like the CDM to keep shape beneath midfield and above backs, but they need to have the technical ability to move the ball forward.
goalsense
Know Nothing
Post #24
Wednesday March 8, 2017 6:57pm

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Well since we have neither type CDM outlined, why not develop EPB?

He has started as a defender so he has a good defensive foundation and he does read the game well as evidenced by this tournament. He also exhibited some good quickness.

His forward passing can be developed as he matures. It's not as if he is in a hoof it forward league at the moment.

TheTruth
Post #25
Wednesday March 8, 2017 9:08pm

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Original post from Dave

While not the most exciting group opponents they all bring something that the US has struggled with recently...SPEED. If Bruce takes a squad full of "OLD FARTS" along the lines of his January Camp selections. There is no reason to see players like....Marshall, Evans, Beckerman, Jones, Dempsey, Howard, and Wondo. We know what these guys can contribute, and most don't bring enough.
What we'll hopefully see is a squad composed of our Young Players, some of the depth/fringe guys, and the Core of the 2018 squad.

(3) Keepers: Guzan/Howard, Horvath, Hamid/Bingham/Yarbrough
(8) Defense: Fabian, Brooks, Cameron, Yedlin, Villafana, Miazga, Birnbaum, Chandler
(8) Midfield: Bradley, Acosta, Williams, Nagbe, Lletget, Pulisic, Gooch, Zardes
(4) Forwards: Altidore, Wood, Morris, Green

Alternates: Hyndman, Morrales, Manneh

I'd include a player or two from the U-20 age bracket (CCV) if they weren't already in a competition this summer.


Since when do these 3 teams have speed? And since when have we "recently struggled with speed?" Mexico ain't fast. CR isn't particularly fast either.

And why is youth better than experience if you're facing a faster team (not that any 3 of these teams are faster than us)? So, when we play Jamaica and Nigeria we should always have younger, faster rosters than when we play Canada and Italy?

Dave
Post #26
Thursday March 9, 2017 3:48am

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Since when do these 3 teams have speed?


Go back and watch these 3 teams (Martinique, Panama, & Haiti).
Panama - We tied & lost to them in the last Gold Cup. They've got speedy wingers and decent target strikers. Especially since Perez is now in the super-sub role.
Haiti - We barely beat Haiti the last time we faced them in the 2015 GC (1-0) and the previous 2 meetings were both draws. They have very fast strikers & wide midfielders who are good at getting in behind defenders.
Martinique - I maybe confusing them with the another Caribbean nation that caused difficulties with Mexico. But if I'm not mixing them up, than they gave Mex fits on the counter.

And why is youth better than experience if you're facing a faster team (not that any 3 of these teams are faster than us)? So, when we play Jamaica and Nigeria we should always have younger, faster rosters than when we play Canada and Italy?


Youth isn't necessarily better than experience when dealing with a speedy opponent, but If you look at the "Old" players I suggested not be called in they are all players who's usefulness to the USNT is/has come to an end. Only Howard, Jones, & Dempsey have any usefulness at this point, and the Gold Cup is a prime opportunity to get younger options experience. Holding onto relics when you have a chance to build for the future is very short sighted. I'm not recommending we stop calling in all of our experienced players this Gold Cup. What I'm suggesting is that we use this tournament to get our best prospects, who are getting positive club minutes, international experience so that they are able to contribute now & in the future.

skangles
DC
Post #27
Wednesday March 29, 2017 10:33pm

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Juan Barrera scored all three goals of his hat trick in the last 10 minutes of the game against Haiti to send Nicaragua through to the Gold cup.

The US will face Nicaragua in Cleveland.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #28
Wednesday March 29, 2017 11:19pm

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I think Bruce will bring some young cats for the Gold Cup.

My 23:

GK: Steffen, Horvath, Hamid

Defense: Chandler, Zusi, Z-Man, Miazga, Besler, Brooks, Beasley, Lichaj

Middies: Hyndman, Zelalem, Morales, Williams, Manneh, Arriola, Pulisic, Nagbe

FWDS: Morris, Green, Agudelo, Dwyer

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #29
Wednesday March 29, 2017 11:27pm

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Changes to
My 23: Acosta over Morales and Yedlin over Zusi.

Dave
Post #30
Thursday March 30, 2017 2:53am

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Original post from 2tone

I think Bruce will bring some young cats for the Gold Cup.

My 23:

GK: Steffen, Horvath, Hamid

Defense: Chandler, Zusi, Z-Man, Miazga, Besler, Brooks, Beasley, Lichaj

Middies: Hyndman, Zelalem, Morales, Williams, Manneh, Arriola, Pulisic, Nagbe

FWDS: Morris, Green, Agudelo, Dwyer


Yedlin over Zusi, Villafana over Beasley, Zardes & Wood over Dwyer/Agudelo
Gooch for Zelalem (Zelalem's going to be w/ the U-20s)

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