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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #151
Friday June 30, 2017 3:09am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
10 goals for Ramirez now in league matches.
He's tied for fourth with Accam.

chillguy1992
Post #152
Friday June 30, 2017 7:10am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
Original post from Know Nothing

Gonzalez switch has come through...probably too late for this Gold Cup


Yeah its interesting since I am not sure if he would have been the second goalkeeper once he was picked for the gold cup. He is good and young but when healthy Johnson and Hamid are slightly ahead of him. Now for the future I think he has a ton of potential and could easily force his way into the third goalkeeper spot for next years world cup if we qualify. Still its great he is now cap tied to the US along with Saief for the future.

MSantoine
Post #153
Friday June 30, 2017 1:48pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from stoked3

I agree and disagree, Wondo plays great in mls, but doesn't translate to our national team, so when he was on fire scoring goals in mls it never translated into the Nats but by statistical account he is a great mls player.

I think, there are cple players who do not get alot of playing time overseas but if they were to play in MLS would tear the league up or would fair better than their counterparts

I think skill, fitness, current form should all be taken into account when calling someone in.

But for some reason some people play great for country and not club and vise versa. There is a difference in being out classed on not ready for international level and currently in a slump but has shown the talent for international level but is currently out of form.


Correct. Chandler regularly is one of the best players for a mid table Bundesliga team.

Mike McGee & Wondo were regularly some of the best goal scorers in MLS.

Regarding Ramirez, All goals are not created equal. Minnesota has given up the most goals in MLS to this point (other than RSL they are more than 10 goals worst then next team). They are constantly playing from behind. His skill set may not translate to US and what role he'd be asked to fill.

As far as cherry picking stats in baseball if someone is batting .400 in April with 11 homeruns you dont name him MVP. Its law of averages. A hot streak is a hot streak. Its human nature to count the first 5-6 weeks, and the last 3-4 weeks more than the others (we do this in every sport). Again if he keeps scoring at a goal every other game clip then bring him in January Camp. If he proves that was a flash in the pan, then nothing lost. Either way guys like Dwyer, Morris, Agudelo, Arriola, Sayef are, and should be ahead of him on the attacking player pecking order so better give those guys the looks first. If they struggle, then you bring in a different guy next time. Thats how it should work.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #154
Friday June 30, 2017 9:27pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
The only reasonable thing you've said so far is that not everyone who plays well in MLS would necessarily play int'l ball well.

That's it. The rest has been epic bullcrap.

SamHays1999
Kansas
Post #155
Saturday July 1, 2017 7:53am

Joined May 2017
Total Posts: 198
Original post from MSantoine

As far as cherry picking stats in baseball if someone is batting .400 in April with 11 homeruns you dont name him MVP. Its law of averages. A hot streak is a hot streak. Its human nature to count the first 5-6 weeks, and the last 3-4 weeks more than the others (we do this in every sport). Again if he keeps scoring at a goal every other game clip then bring him in January Camp. If he proves that was a flash in the pan, then nothing lost. Either way guys like Dwyer, Morris, Agudelo, Arriola, Sayef are, and should be ahead of him on the attacking player pecking order so better give those guys the looks first. If they struggle, then you bring in a different guy next time. Thats how it should work.


I somewhat agree with this part. Law of averages always wins at the end, and if he ends up being consistent with this, good, then we can add him and hope he does well. But there's also the thing with players and their current form. If he's in such good form and we put a guy on the roster who is in bad form, why? Because the guy in bad form has had good form in the past or is a bigger name? I think there are arguments to both sides, but more so and better on the side that wanted him on the roster.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #156
Saturday July 1, 2017 2:33pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 329
Looking forward to the game today, not sure how to start a new topic post but maybe someone can.

what do you guys want to see today in a lineup?

Im hoping to see: Dwyer, and siaef never seen him play so would be nice to see him
also it will be good to evaluate EL at rb
Stoked
skangles
DC
Post #157
Saturday July 1, 2017 2:54pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,447
I don't know how likely this is but I'll go

------Agudelo--------
--Saief--Corona---Arriola--
-----Acosta-Dax-------
-Villafana-Besler-Hedges-Lichaj-
-------Hamid--------

skangles
DC
Post #158
Saturday July 1, 2017 3:07pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,447
Between today's game and the Gold Cup Group stage the guys that I really want to see with an eye to the World Cup are:

1) This is Kellyn Acosta's team as far as I'm concerned. This is his chance to cement his starting spot in Central Midfield for the full strength side. I would give him the Captain's armband.

2) Paul Arriola has looked really good in limited minutes. He has a lot to gain with a strong showing over the next month.

3) Eric Lichaj is back. He can play RB or LB and he should be our utility Full Back on every roster.

4) Matt Hedges. It might finally be his time. It also might not be his time because CB is our deepest position on this roster. It might be Matt Miazga's time. Or we can party like its 2013 and go with the vintage Omar-Besler pairing.

5) Hamid. Yes I am a homer but I don't think it clogs my judgement too much. I mean I'm not screaming about Birnbaum not making the 23. Birnbaum is a fine player but so are the guys who Bruce called up. But man, Hamid is something special. The problem is that our Group is too weak. Guzan will probably face Panama and then Hamid should get his chance against Nicaragua or Martinique. It's possible that he won't face any shots on goal (or any that really test him).

6) Kenny Saief. The mystery man. Look forward to seeing what he can do.

7) Joe Benny Corona. In 2013 Bedoya used a strong tournament to catapult himself back into the USMNT picture and played a role in the 2014 World Cup. Joe Benny might be the player that comes out of the woods just in time for the 2018 World Cup. He had a renaissance in Liga MX last season after a dreadful season two years ago.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #159
Saturday July 1, 2017 3:49pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 329
Original post from skangles

I don't know how likely this is but I'll go

---Agudelo----
-Saief-Corona--Arriola-
---Acosta-Dax----
-Villafana-Besler-Hedges-Lichaj-
----Hamid----


Very similar to what I was going to mention. I would have Dwyer up top

I didn't have corona in the middle but wouldn't mind seeing him for 45

Funny thing is Dax while not sexy is a good player who could end up being a fall back guy when injuries in yellow cards sit our normal starters. I would like to see him get a run he deserves it.
Stoked
db707
Post #160
Saturday July 1, 2017 5:10pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,029
Arena's already said Guzan is starting tonight.

bjelks
Post #161
Saturday July 1, 2017 6:53pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,372
Dax isn't on the level of Nagbe, D. Williams, W. Mckennie, or Hyndman and you can't sell him to anyone that knows any better. US Soccer has to stop trying to sell us these mediocre, washed up, MLS hacks.
goalsense
bjelks
Post #162
Saturday July 1, 2017 6:54pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,372
And what would we have to gain playing Besler's over the hill mediocre ass over Miazga?
goalsense
skangles
DC
Post #163
Saturday July 1, 2017 7:00pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,447
Besler is a solid LCB who has fallen behind Tim Ream in the pecking order. I am fine with playing Miazga but Miazga + Hedges gives you two new faces at CB. I don't see Bruce doing that.

My guess is that Bruce will start Gonzo + Hedges but I prefer Besler to Gonzo. I feel he's more consistent at least in a Nats jersey.

bjelks
Post #164
Saturday July 1, 2017 7:17pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,372
Miazga was the highest rated and youngest defender on the Dutch Cup champions and we don't know if he'll play today over one clumsy/slow defender and another mediocre one because of lack of experience.
Thank you US Soccer for continuing to be a joke.
goalsense
chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #165
Saturday July 1, 2017 7:32pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,521
3-5-2

-----Swag------Dwyer--
---------Rowe--------
------Acosta---Roldan----
Morrow---------------Lichaj
-----Besler-Hedges-Omar----
---------Guzan--------

Saief instead of Rowe if fit....really want to see Miazga get some minutes at CB....maybe instead of Hedges...need a little more speed.

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