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Know Nothing
Post #1
Saturday February 4, 2017 7:05pm

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Now that Camp Cupcake is over the next chance for most of the players in this camp to earn caps will be the Gold Cup.

Who, if anyone, stepped up to be considered for this roster? Anyone in Europe deserving of the chance?

From the last two matches, I would say Lleget and Villafana look ready. From Europe, I think Horvath should be the no. 1 for this tournament and if healthy, Boyd should have a role.

skangles
DC
Post #2
Saturday February 4, 2017 8:07pm

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Hyndman

Dave
Post #3
Saturday February 4, 2017 9:57pm

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Know Nothing - It will depend on how Bruce approaches the Gold Cup....Either he'll go with what he believes to be his strongest roster....Or he'll use it as a proving ground for players ahead of the World Cup.

At this point who knows what Bruce deems his best 23 may be, so I'll limit my discussion to the new players who have made an impression during this past January Camp or who have a chance to make a statement in the months ahead.

January Camp Players: Feilhaber, Villafana, Nagbe, Lletget, Morris, Zimmerman, Hedges, Acosta, & Manneh are the ones I'd imagine caught Bruce's eye.

European Players: Horvath, Hyndman, Green, & Boyd, are the players who's moves over the winter break have the best chance of bringing them closer to inclusion in the Gold Cup squad. Gooch if he regains his health & form is another player I could see making a case for himself.

Than you've got your choice of the standard group of players:
Guzan, Howard, Bradley, Brooks, Besler, Cameron, Gonzalez, Yedlin, Fabian, Pulisic, Jones, Dempsey, Jozy, Wood, Bedoya, Zardes, etc....

tylercocinas
Post #4
Saturday February 4, 2017 11:45pm

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Daves list is pretty spot on. I think you have to give Villafaña an opportunity at LB, but he also needs to be playing more at Santos. We should use the GC as an opportunity to introduce those guys who have been knocking on the door. Great opportunity for them to get some chemistry with the rest of the group heading into the rest of the WCQs.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #5
Sunday February 5, 2017 1:07am

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GOLD CUP
Here are my thoughts for the GC, based on the 32-man Jan. roster only, and with the obvious tacit understanding that Europe-based players can/should beat them out. So I'm comparing domestics to domestics, here.

David Bingham = keep calling in
Stefan Frei = let's get a good look
Bill Hamid = keep calling in
Nick Rimando & Luis Robles = thank you for your service
(Guzan is in the mix. Howard, not for GC at 38)

DaMarcus Beasley, Brad Evans, Graham Zusi Chad Marshall= thank you for your service. Goes double for DMB.

Steve Birnbaum, Matt Hedges, Walker Zimmerman= keep calling in
Greg Garza = IDK. Great player, but speed of foot might rule him out.

Taylor Kemp, Keegan Rosenberry = hard to know. Kemp probably didn't beat out DMB for a reason. Rosenberry has more fan support so I'll assume that's for a reason.

Villafaña = how can you doubt it?

Kellyn Acosta, Michael Bradley = I want to see this become a battle. At the same time I am not a "MB sucks" person. I have to wonder if he's become too "practical" to make good plays shifting to the attack. At the same time, he's not an ideal defending #6, so I think his job should be challenged for by everyone possible.
(as far as I'm concerned, MB should have to beat out other domestics like Kljestan, Lletget, Roldan, Trapp at this position, and maybe even from McCarty). I'm tired of MB's practical pessimism and mediocre 1v1 defending/tackling. Why put a great passer in that position if he's too pessimistic to pass meaningfully?

Alejandro Bedoya = what purpose would this serve for the GC? As a defensive sub to close out matches maybe? I'm fine with not seeing him rep the US anymore.
Jermaine Jones = for GC, only point would be leadership/firestarter

Benny Feilhaber, Sacha Kljestan = yes to both and with different values. SK is an 8 or 6, and is without the skill set of a 10, period (he's getting away with being a 10 in MLS). I won't even blame him for how he played against Serbia because that ain't where to use a guy who threatens no one on the dribble.
Feilhaber is 8 or 10.

Sebastian Lletget, Darlington Nagbe = essential, and can play so many positions it's staggering. In my eyes, both can play 6, 8, 10 or inverted wing, and maybe Y/empty bucket wing.

Kekuta Manneh Cristian Roldan = of course
Dax McCarty = possibly more looks, even though he made some mistakes. CONCACAF might be his ceiling, but at least he can attack better than MB.
Chris Pontius = by all reports, Pontius is a good guy, but he can't play int'l ball.
Wil Trapp = more looks I think.

Juan Agudelo = nah, I'm good for now. Play better than your self-hype, ok?
Jozy Altidore = yes, of course, but also challenged hard. I don't care what the experts say, for a 1-striker system, I'd pick Wood and sit JA.
Morris = yes as bench forward, but absolutely not for wing. Morris' soccer report card has lots of A's and B's, but one big F- on it, doesn't it. If he beats out Jozy in a given system, I'm ok with it, but I don't see how he can beat out Wood.
Wondolowski = epic overachiever. Thanks for your service.
Zardes = assuming he plays well for first half of MLS, but in what position? Psychologically he's elite, but I'd like to see his skills come up. (for the current level of MLS club ball, he's impossible to dislike)

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #6
Sunday February 5, 2017 3:57am

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Original post from mmee

GOLD CUP
Here are my thoughts for the GC, based on the 32-man Jan. roster only, and with the obvious tacit understanding that Europe-based players can/should beat them out. So I'm comparing domestics to domestics, here.

David Bingham = keep calling in
Stefan Frei = let's get a good look
Bill Hamid = keep calling in
Nick Rimando & Luis Robles = thank you for your service
(Guzan is in the mix. Howard, not for GC at 38)

DaMarcus Beasley, Brad Evans, Graham Zusi Chad Marshall= thank you for your service. Goes double for DMB.

Steve Birnbaum, Matt Hedges, Walker Zimmerman= keep calling in
Greg Garza = IDK. Great player, but speed of foot might rule him out.

Taylor Kemp, Keegan Rosenberry = hard to know. Kemp probably didn't beat out DMB for a reason. Rosenberry has more fan support so I'll assume that's for a reason.

Villafaña = how can you doubt it?

Kellyn Acosta, Michael Bradley = I want to see this become a battle. At the same time I am not a "MB sucks" person. I have to wonder if he's become too "practical" to make good plays shifting to the attack. At the same time, he's not an ideal defending #6, so I think his job should be challenged for by everyone possible.
(as far as I'm concerned, MB should have to beat out other domestics like Kljestan, Lletget, Roldan, Trapp at this position, and maybe even from McCarty). I'm tired of MB's practical pessimism and mediocre 1v1 defending/tackling. Why put a great passer in that position if he's too pessimistic to pass meaningfully?

Alejandro Bedoya = what purpose would this serve for the GC? As a defensive sub to close out matches maybe? I'm fine with not seeing him rep the US anymore.
Jermaine Jones = for GC, only point would be leadership/firestarter

Benny Feilhaber, Sacha Kljestan = yes to both and with different values. SK is an 8 or 6, and is without the skill set of a 10, period (he's getting away with being a 10 in MLS). I won't even blame him for how he played against Serbia because that ain't where to use a guy who threatens no one on the dribble.
Feilhaber is 8 or 10.

Sebastian Lletget, Darlington Nagbe = essential, and can play so many positions it's staggering. In my eyes, both can play 6, 8, 10 or inverted wing, and maybe Y/empty bucket wing.

Kekuta Manneh Cristian Roldan = of course
Dax McCarty = possibly more looks, even though he made some mistakes. CONCACAF might be his ceiling, but at least he can attack better than MB.
Chris Pontius = by all reports, Pontius is a good guy, but he can't play int'l ball.
Wil Trapp = more looks I think.

Juan Agudelo = nah, I'm good for now. Play better than your self-hype, ok?
Jozy Altidore = yes, of course, but also challenged hard. I don't care what the experts say, for a 1-striker system, I'd pick Wood and sit JA.
Morris = yes as bench forward, but absolutely not for wing. Morris' soccer report card has lots of A's and B's, but one big F- on it, doesn't it. If he beats out Jozy in a given system, I'm ok with it, but I don't see how he can beat out Wood.
Wondolowski = epic overachiever. Thanks for your service.
Zardes = assuming he plays well for first half of MLS, but in what position? Psychologically he's elite, but I'd like to see his skills come up. (for the current level of MLS club ball, he's impossible to dislike)


actually agree with this list. I would like to see a wood/morris or wood/green pairing

Will be fun when gooch comes back to look at him and Arriola, hyndman
Stoked
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #7
Sunday February 5, 2017 6:10pm

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My 23:

GK: Guzan, Yarbrough, Howard

D: Yedlin, Chandler, Fabian, Jorge, Zimmerman, Birnbaum, Hedges, Brooks

Middies: Lletget, Manneh, Nagbe, Pulisic, Bradley, McCarty, Jones, Feilhaber

FWDS: Morris, Altidore, Wood, Zardes

goods
Post #8
Monday February 6, 2017 5:13pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 334
I like that line up. However, since this is a qualifying year plus Confederations cup, this will be a b squad right?

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #9
Monday February 6, 2017 10:33pm

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normally, yeah

Know Nothing
Post #10
Tuesday March 7, 2017 9:27pm

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Our group is almost set: Panama, Martinique and either Haiti or Nicaragua

skangles
DC
Post #11
Tuesday March 7, 2017 9:42pm

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What a slobberknocker of a group.

The Gold Cup doesn't look so intriguing after last year's Copa America.

Dave
Post #12
Wednesday March 8, 2017 1:33am

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While not the most exciting group opponents they all bring something that the US has struggled with recently...SPEED. If Bruce takes a squad full of "OLD FARTS" along the lines of his January Camp selections. There is no reason to see players like....Marshall, Evans, Beckerman, Jones, Dempsey, Howard, and Wondo. We know what these guys can contribute, and most don't bring enough.
What we'll hopefully see is a squad composed of our Young Players, some of the depth/fringe guys, and the Core of the 2018 squad.

(3) Keepers: Guzan/Howard, Horvath, Hamid/Bingham/Yarbrough
(8) Defense: Fabian, Brooks, Cameron, Yedlin, Villafana, Miazga, Birnbaum, Chandler
(8) Midfield: Bradley, Acosta, Williams, Nagbe, Lletget, Pulisic, Gooch, Zardes
(4) Forwards: Altidore, Wood, Morris, Green

Alternates: Hyndman, Morrales, Manneh

I'd include a player or two from the U-20 age bracket (CCV) if they weren't already in a competition this summer.

Know Nothing
Post #13
Wednesday March 8, 2017 2:16am

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Depending on how long a run we have in the U-20 WC, I'd like to see EPB get a look at holding midfield for the group stage

hamsamwich
Post #14
Wednesday March 8, 2017 3:01am

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I think if he stays healthy Greg garza will be given every chance to win that LB spot. He was solid in the attack with Atlanta, and he will definitely be in game shape, if not "form" this season.

Dave
Post #15
Wednesday March 8, 2017 4:09am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 712
Original post from Know Nothing

Depending on how long a run we have in the U-20 WC, I'd like to see EPB get a look at holding midfield for the group stage


Holding Mid is not EPB's natural/best position. He could get away playing the holding mid position in the CONCACAF U-20 tournament, but it's not a position he'll be playing for the Sr. team anytime soon. I doubt he'll even play at the U-20 WC.

CCV, Miazga, Zimmerman, EPB, Glad and possibly Redding are the next generation of CB's. After the 2018 WC when Gonzalez, Besler, & Cameron done at the International Level these are the leading candidates to pair w/ Brooks.
Who'll ultimately succeed and claim one of the 3 vacated CB spots is yet to be determined, but it looks like we'll have some nice options to chose from.

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