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dolcem
Post #1
Friday February 3, 2017 8:28pm

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I hate to start a new thread but I think this one deserves its own. We're almost a year out from the World Cup and will most likely get another manager soon. Who do you think it should be? Who realistically do you think it could be?

I know one thing, I sure don't want another American manager. Soccer has always been a fringe sport in this country, and most of the guys old enough to coach grew up in an era where it was impossible to find soccer on TV (much less talk about it with other people). They haven't been exposed to the game at its highest level, and that matters in a sport where nearly all managers played in the top-flight. So it should be no surprise that we haven't produced any managers that have succeeded at the highest level. MLS teams struggle in the CCL, and we have yet to produce a manager that has succeeded in a top European league (Norway isn't quite there). If we want to learn to play like the best, we need to learn how they play, and that means bringing over their managers.

Unfortunately, CONCACAF isn't an ideal destination for a European manager (I think Latin American managers would struggle with the USNT). The only perk is easy World Cup qualification. Here are my choices:

Brendan Rogers
David Moyes
Unai Emery
Juan Carlos Osorio
Anyone from one of the top European leagues
Pray for Bielsa

Pretty uninspiring list, except that Osorio would be awesome (I just don't see Gulati being able to pull off getting Bielsa). He has succeeded with American players before and he's a really good manager. Best Mexico has had for a while now. But would he coach us after having coached Mexico?
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Rey Regicide
Post #2
Friday February 3, 2017 8:42pm

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You think given the mess USSF is in with women's national team about disparity in wages etc that it's politically viable that we go out and get another Klinsmann type contract?

I don't know how much Arena is getting paid, but I would imagine much less than JK did.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #3
Friday February 3, 2017 9:04pm

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You can say you don't want an American coach, but I think I'd take Cherundolo without a regret if it wasn't so early in his coaching career.

There are a few other ex-players who could do it, but we'd need more time for them too.

Rey Regicide
Post #4
Friday February 3, 2017 9:09pm

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I think the bigger thing is that any "teaching" should be going on in their academies and we're getting that at the moment. CCV, CP10, even Erik Palmer Brown. I mean it's alot to hope for, but even with BRooks Lennon coming back, I don't see that as a failure. If he puts together an influential year like Lletget did, at a much younger age, then it's a total win for us.

If there are technique, and technical deficiencies it's going to have to be ironed out when they're young.

kernn63
Post #5
Friday February 3, 2017 9:54pm

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David Wagner has to be somewhere on the list. Coached under Klopp at Dortmund. Hudderfield Town now 5th in the Championship. Could have left for Wolfsburg. Only 45. Will probably be coaching in the top division one way or another next year.

Know Nothing
Post #6
Friday February 3, 2017 10:42pm

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Original post from kernn63

David Wagner has to be somewhere on the list. Coached under Klopp at Dortmund. Hudderfield Town now 5th in the Championship. Could have left for Wolfsburg. Only 45. Will probably be coaching in the top division one way or another next year.


Wholeheartedly agree that he is one to watch. I don't think he would want it right away as I am pretty sure he has his eyes on managing in a top league (which he may get with Huddersfield sooner rather than later).

And I agree with the statement made in an earlier post that the national team manager should not be a teacher...he should be an organizer and a motivator. His/Her job is to find the best XI and get them playing cohesively...which is a big challenge for the U.S. since our players come from multiple teams in multiple league leagues with multiple different philosophies.

I would have no problem with a former player as credibility is part of the formula of getting your message across. Dooley, Berhalter, Vermes all have managerial experience.

dolcem
Post #7
Friday February 3, 2017 10:52pm

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Original post from Rey Regicide

You think given the mess USSF is in with women's national team about disparity in wages etc that it's politically viable that we go out and get another Klinsmann type contract?

I don't know how much Arena is getting paid, but I would imagine much less than JK did.


Original post from Rey Regicide

I think the bigger thing is that any "teaching" should be going on in their academies and we're getting that at the moment. CCV, CP10, even Erik Palmer Brown. I mean it's alot to hope for, but even with BRooks Lennon coming back, I don't see that as a failure. If he puts together an influential year like Lletget did, at a much younger age, then it's a total win for us.

If there are technique, and technical deficiencies it's going to have to be ironed out when they're young.


It's even more important at the youth level, but it's also important at the senior level. And why should money be an issue? Absolutely ridiculous. To think that we should pay a woman's coach as much as a men's coach is f-ing absurd. I can't stand the USWNT. I actually root against them.

Original post from mmee

You can say you don't want an American coach, but I think I'd take Cherundolo without a regret if it wasn't so early in his coaching career.

There are a few other ex-players who could do it, but we'd need more time for them too.


Original post from kernn63

David Wagner has to be somewhere on the list. Coached under Klopp at Dortmund. Hudderfield Town now 5th in the Championship. Could have left for Wolfsburg. Only 45. Will probably be coaching in the top division one way or another next year.


Cherundolo and Wagner will probably manage the USNT some day. I really think Cherundolo will turn out to be the first American coach to succeed in a top European league, and eventually he'll come to the USNT. But Cherundolo won't be ready by 2018, and Wagner will want to spend more time in Europe first.

Original post from Know Nothing

Wholeheartedly agree that he is one to watch. I don't think he would want it right away as I am pretty sure he has his eyes on managing in a top league (which he may get with Huddersfield sooner rather than later).

And I agree with the statement made in an earlier post that the national team manager should not be a teacher...he should be an organizer and a motivator. His/Her job is to find the best XI and get them playing cohesively...which is a big challenge for the U.S. since our players come from multiple teams in multiple league leagues with multiple different philosophies.

I would have no problem with a former player as credibility is part of the formula of getting your message across. Dooley, Berhalter, Vermes all have managerial experience.


But why not go for someone that has experience at the highest level? At least playing there?

If we choose a US manager, I'd like to see Berhalter put in charge. He's played in Europe and under his charge the Crew played the most attractive soccer I ever saw from an MLS team.
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Know Nothing
Post #8
Friday February 3, 2017 11:47pm

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Original post from dolcem

But why not go for someone that has experience at the highest level? At least playing there?



Great if we can get someone, but frankly managing a top level club is very different from managing a national team. Managing a club day in day out allows you to mold a team to fit your style while managing a national team...especially one whose players have such a diverse background. You only have short amount of time to figure out the best system for your best XI and try and mold that group into a cohesive unit.

For all those clamoring for Pep Guardiola over the summer...would you want him now?

Dave
Post #9
Saturday February 4, 2017 2:24am

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Coaching a National Team takes a different skill-set/mentality than coaching at the club level. Additionally coaching the US National Team has a host of issues/concerns that other national team managers don't have to deal with.
Our next coach needs to be a quality tactician who can put players in a position to succeed in a cohesive & disciplined manner. They also need to be able to motivate them to play/punch above their weight.

There are a number of coaches I think could do well as our coach, but getting them may be difficult....

Foreign Coaches:
1) Rogerto Martinez - Has experience working with US players. Has both club & international coaching experience. Has had success with less than star studded rosters. Would potentially need a Tactician as his first assistant. I think he'll be looking for a new gig after the WC as I don't see Belgium extending his contract.
2) Guus Hiddink - A tactical coach who's had success getting the most out of teams composed of players of average ability...with a handful of higher caliber players. Has success at both club & international level.
3) Felix Magath - A coach who is very demanding and drives his players hard. Not sure how well the players would take to his style of coaching. Has had a long career as a manager with more success than failure.
US Coaches:
1) David Wagner - Has less experience as the above, but does have a good background working with young players...and the 2022 squad is going to have a lot of younger/inexperienced players. I just don't know if USSF can convince him to leave club football just yet.
2) Greg Berhalter - Another "American" option who's name will come up, but likely doesn't have enough coaching experience. Has a good understanding of US Player pool, but may have a hard time erning the recognition/respect of some of our "Star" type players....Pulisic, Brooks, CCV, Zelalem, etc...
3) Cherundolo - I'd put him up with Wagner, but like Wagner he's not likely ready yet to transition to international games.
4) Caleb Porter/Tab Ramos - are dark horses, but I don't think either are up to the task just yet. Caleb didn't do well w/ the U-23s, but I account that more to a lack of familiarization with the players (lack of options) than his inability to coach. Ramos needs to coach somewhere full time at the club level to prove himself.

dolcem
Post #10
Saturday February 4, 2017 10:31am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

Great if we can get someone, but frankly managing a top level club is very different from managing a national team. Managing a club day in day out allows you to mold a team to fit your style while managing a national team...especially one whose players have such a diverse background. You only have short amount of time to figure out the best system for your best XI and try and mold that group into a cohesive unit.



And what MLS experience do the MLS coaches have with managing national teams? We could pursue a foreign manager who has managed a national teams() before. Or at least played for one. If Roberto Martinez does a decent job with Belgium I think we could consider him.

Original post from Know Nothing

For all those clamoring for Pep Guardiola over the summer...would you want him now?



Yes.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #11
Saturday February 4, 2017 1:06pm

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I like Berhalter a lot, but short of his team just owning MLS for two seasons, I don't imagine it'll happen.
Thanks for the reminder about Wagner. I forgot about him.

dolcem
Post #12
Saturday February 4, 2017 4:47pm

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Original post from mmee

I like Berhalter a lot, but short of his team just owning MLS for two seasons, I don't imagine it'll happen.
Thanks for the reminder about Wagner. I forgot about him.


Yeah it's too early on in his career. And I'd like to see him give it another go in Europe. I think he could make it over there in a second tier league at least.

So, realistically, who will we end up with? Probably Vermes or Porter. God I hope it's not Porter. After the U-23 debacle, he shouldn't be anywhere near the national team setup before he wins a few more trophies at least. And let's not forget that his record for the Portland Timbers hasn't been all that great. If they hadn't caught fire at the end of last season and squeaked into the playoffs, he probably would have gotten fired. I guess that leaves us with Vermes. He hasn't exactly impressed in international competition (CCL), and you'd like to think that we can and should pay top dollar for a top-tier manager. But I guess I'm expecting too much from a federation that is basically run the same as it was back in the days when we didn't even have professional soccer.

Original post from Know Nothing

For all those clamoring for Pep Guardiola over the summer...would you want him now?



Wait were there people that actually thought that someone like Guardiola would come coach us? If so, that explains a lot.
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hamsamwich
Post #13
Saturday February 4, 2017 6:25pm

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I think people here in America are pretty gung ho about having an American coach. That shouldn't stop the person in charge of making the decisions for searching for the best candidate possible.

The way I worded that was important: the first thing to do post Russia 2018 is to replace Gulati with someone who knows something about soccer. Economically, Gulati is a genius. And by all accounts a decent person. But his time is up as far as I'm concerned. Change starts at the top, to create a new vision for the program. It said a lot that Jürgen was also given the technical director title in addition to manager, and has been recently praised for his work in attempting to overhaul an entire stagnant system. The types of players I'm seeing brought into the fold changed during his tenure. But those were Jürgen's ideas, not Sunil's.

I think we will see even better results when the manager just manages the team, not the whole program. Too many people wearing too many hats. First one out the door (possibly via a promotion "upstairs" to an advisory role) should be Gulati, with many congratulations for helping USA get this far. But we can do better.

Lastly, Berhalter is an interesting candidate amongst Americans.


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