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dolcem
Post #16
Monday January 9, 2017 7:30am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from mmee

No, you and Rey are not the same person. One of you is a hypocritical idiot who accuses other people of pretending to know soccer from video game lineups. You tried to shit talk me about 'my FIFA lineup' once or twice when I don't even play. Is PES how you know JK was doing a great job and wasn't poisoning the whole team?

You can't seriously be trying to compare how JK tactically and psychologically mis-prepared his team with what Arena will do, can you? You have a few examples of Arena playing people out of position to cling on to, and a mountain of negative examples from JK (positionally, tactically, psychologically) to try to sweep under the rug. Good luck.


I'm sorry I hurt your feelings when I talked about your FIFA lineup. FIFA lineup, fantasy lineup, the lineup you use in daydreams about coaching the USNT, whatever you want to call it. You have a lineup in your head that you would use if you were the coach of the USNT, just like every one of us. National teams almost always have a very wide range of different possible lineups, especially ours because of our depth. The notion that there is One True Lineup is absolutely ridiculous, because there are lots of different combinations that would work. Lineups are only a very small part of tactics, one reason it's stupid to make such a big deal out of them. The same lineup might not work depending how the team trains or the style they seek to play. One lineup might work for one manager but not for another. And even if the manager picked your lineup, it'd be a different lineup than everyone else's. But most importantly, since there's absolutely no way to prove which lineup is "better" than the others, seriously debating them is ridiculous, and it has gotten out of hand. I mean you left the forum for like a year because you couldn't handle that your lineup wasn't getting picked and that the coach made personnel decisions you disagreed with. I think what's worse though is that you think because you're a high school coach, it gives some sort of validity to your opinion, as if you're a better scout or coach than the professionals. Not even to mention the fact that you don't know the players personally or see them in practice.

JK tactically and psychologically misprepared his teams...really...he completely turned around the German NT and had the best winning percentage of any manager in US history despite having the toughest schedule. In both World Cups he coached in, his teams were great. And you think Bruce Arena, who was exposed as being in over his head last cycle, is going to do a better job? Both Klinsmann's World Cup teams played like they were extremely well-prepared. Bruce's '06 USNT team was a complete disaster that looked like it had no identity or any idea of what it was doing. But what should we expect of MLS coaching? I mean it was nearly impossible to watch soccer growing up in Bruce's era in the US, how should we expect him to compete with managers that grew up living and breathing the sport?

Original post from TheTruth

Who ever said that Bradley was our best offensive player other than Dempsey? I'm calling bullshit on that. In fact, I feel like I'm completely covered in Dolcem diarrhea right now. Ugh, how do I get the stink off!?


I don't remember who said it, but I very distinctly remember being criticized when I posted my 'hypothetical lineup' on here for having Bradley playing as the #6. They said that it would be foolish to have our 'best offensive weapon sitting back and playing defense,' or something like that. No one was suggesting that Bradley play as the #6 at the time. I was the only one. Now, the same people that always had Bradley as a #8 or a #10 in their FIFA lineups criticize Klinsmann for playing him there. It's ridiculous.
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TheTruth
Post #17
Monday January 9, 2017 3:22pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
There's only a couple of guys in these forums, really, maybe 2 or 3 with multiple personality disorder. The rest is something that appears like a lot of noise, often conflicting. But people tend to make the mistake of attributing inconsistencies to specific people when it's mostly a bunch of different people saying a bunch of different things, with a little evolution over time. Nothing wrong with changes in thinking in response to evidence over time.

Bradley a case in point. For a long time, as in 2012-2014, EVERYONE in these forums, I mean everyone, wanted Jones to back down into a more defensive role, with Bradley being more advanced. JJ proved my ass wrong at the WC as he showed himself to be one of the best players in the tournament IMO and Bradley started his streak (that basically continues today) of strangely just not appearing to be as good as he used to be pre-2014.

If you were the first of this esteemed group of nitwits to recognize that JJ was better in the more advanced position with Bradley sitting back then good work.

skangles
DC
Post #18
Monday January 9, 2017 9:53pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,300
Dolcem, regarding your question about "out of position" outrage, I was really frustrated with Juergen's use of Yedlin over the past 18 months or so for multiple reasons:

1) He kept playing Yedlin despite poor performances.
2) I hated Yedlin as an RM, I get that he's fast but I don't see him as a viable Midfield option against a quality opponent. Maybe in 1990 but not in 2017. One of the joys of Bruce being the manager is that I no longer see Yedlin at RM as this as a risk.
3) He kept bouncing Yedlin back and forth between RB and RM. The national team gets together so infrequently that to be fair to Yedlin it would have been beneficial for him to know his position going into camp (RB is the correct answer ((Fabian faced a similar distraction)).

That said, Juergen's biggest roster blunder aside from Donovan in 2014 might be his backline decisions of the 2015 Gold Cup. I'm semi-willing to excuse Alvarado. Alvarado was not a starting CB but I get that Juergen was trying to baptize him by fire in a relatively low risk tournament as he thought he might be a long-term CB solution. The decision that baffles me is how Chandler continued to get minutes at RB despite shitting the bed the entire tournament.

In fact unless something drastically changes, Timmy Chandler's international career might go down as one of the all time US soccer head scratchers. I can't explain it.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #19
Monday January 9, 2017 10:37pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
Skangles, Chandler is puzzling. I think time will tell what the proportions are between these three factors: his heart's not in it, he's a dumb guy, JK confused the shit out of him.

For the time being, I'd forgive his LB performances as a JK idea (and assuming I won't see him there again), and I'd give him the benefit of the doubt for his next 1-2 trot outs at RB.

skangles
DC
Post #20
Monday January 9, 2017 11:04pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,300
In the 2015 Gold Cup Chandler started 3/5 games at RB and was appalling in 2/3 games. He added nothing to the cuba game but as it was a 6-0 blowout I cant call it appalling. This wasn't an out of position issue it was a Juergen blind faith issue.

dolcem
Post #21
Thursday January 12, 2017 6:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,759
Original post from skangles

Dolcem, regarding your question about "out of position" outrage, I was really frustrated with Juergen's use of Yedlin over the past 18 months or so for multiple reasons:

1) He kept playing Yedlin despite poor performances.
2) I hated Yedlin as an RM, I get that he's fast but I don't see him as a viable Midfield option against a quality opponent. Maybe in 1990 but not in 2017. One of the joys of Bruce being the manager is that I no longer see Yedlin at RM as this as a risk.
3) He kept bouncing Yedlin back and forth between RB and RM. The national team gets together so infrequently that to be fair to Yedlin it would have been beneficial for him to know his position going into camp (RB is the correct answer ((Fabian faced a similar distraction)).

That said, Juergen's biggest roster blunder aside from Donovan in 2014 might be his backline decisions of the 2015 Gold Cup. I'm semi-willing to excuse Alvarado. Alvarado was not a starting CB but I get that Juergen was trying to baptize him by fire in a relatively low risk tournament as he thought he might be a long-term CB solution. The decision that baffles me is how Chandler continued to get minutes at RB despite shitting the bed the entire tournament.

In fact unless something drastically changes, Timmy Chandler's international career might go down as one of the all time US soccer head scratchers. I can't explain it.


Our wingers are garbage, and Yedlin looked fantastic during the World Cup at RM. Not something that bothered me at all.

Chandler has looked very poor for the USNT a lot of the time. He is one of our most accomplished field players, however. I think that he struggles with the NT because he's not comfortable in the American system. He was born and raised playing German soccer so when he comes to the USNT, it's totally different. I can't fault a manager too much for wanting to give him time to see if he can figure it out.

But these are very minor quibbles. Like I said before, I don't care who the manager is, if you follow a team, sometimes you're going to have different opinions on roster selection than the manager. That's inevitable. Taking these opinions too seriously is where things get silly.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #22
Friday January 13, 2017 12:29am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
Original post from dolcem

Yedlin looked fantastic during the World Cup at RM.


... come on man.

He looked athletically dominant. That's different than fantastic.

TheTruth
Post #23
Friday January 13, 2017 5:54am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
huge +1 on that.

And in fairness about Chandler, he didn't get off the bench at the WC, right? The only one of our 23 (other than 3rd goalie I think).

dolcem
Post #24
Friday January 13, 2017 6:38am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,759
Original post from mmee

... come on man.

He looked athletically dominant. That's different than fantastic.


You can call it athletically dominant, you can call it fantastic, you can call it whatever you want. Point is that Tottenham was so impressed that they bought him afterwards. When was the past time the MLS sold a player to a club like Tottenhaam?
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Rey Regicide
Post #25
Friday January 13, 2017 1:27pm

Joined Sep 2013
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If there are positions that you can get by on having no skill and being all athleticism, it's the flying wing back.

As long as your team doesn't have a plan b, middle third game, with intricate cross diagonal movement, like the old ukrainian club teams where the RB would run slant routes

and it's all reactionary (that's not a knock, there have been teams that do/did this)

then you can successfully have a Hejduk there.

TheTruth
Post #26
Friday January 13, 2017 2:36pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Remember Fulham, the poor bastards? Saw EJ have few quick bursts at the WC and signed him. And he was a comedy for the next 2 years.

Rey Regicide
Post #27
Friday January 13, 2017 3:44pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
EJ was signed in 2007, in the winter. I don't think anything in the world cup put Fulham onto him. If anything, and this is going to sound weird, it was his 2007 scoring campaign in the MLS, or his performance in the gold cup 2007.

I know he wasn't the most skilled player, but in comparison to Yedlin and their respective positions, noone was raving about EJ's athleticism. Yedlin literally had Ferdinand saying "holy cow he put Hazard into check, Hazard is really fast".

EJ's biggest failing, was failing to put it in the net. Yedlin can get away missed pass here and there as long as he consistently remains a threat in a team that showcases that in attack.

Yedlin could have played for tottenham, but Pochetino values the skilled RB who's inclusive to the build up and tactical defending. He wasn't going to get away with it at Tottenham.

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