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Rey Regicide
Post #1
Thursday January 5, 2017 1:01pm

Joined Sep 2013
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http://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2017/1/4/141...

Shout out to Star Trek 6, an otherwise underrated entry in the Trekker cannon.

I remember, being 10 when I heard Spock tell Kirk that, when asked by Kirk "why did you vouch for me to go and meet with the Klingons?"

Spock's reasoning, in light of the tragic events to Q'onos moon and the newfound impetus to foster diplomatic relations with the Empire, was that if one of the more ardent opposition to the Klingon race was amenable to a summit, then the rest of the Federation would view it as politically bi partisan endeavor. But only the most fervent opposition would do; they would have the requisite political capital.

So...clears throat..

Zusi at right back....

Only Arena can go to Russia, and play people out of position lol

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #2
Thursday January 5, 2017 6:35pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 565
So the trend of playing players out of position continues.....

Rey Regicide
Post #3
Thursday January 5, 2017 7:28pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,695
Or...

maybe it's just something managers do..

Arena played Reyna at RWB against Mexico, in roughly the same formation.

It's not Klinsmann I'm protecting.

I'm railing against the coddling of our players by the media. The ones who aren't German American.

I was kinda taken aback when i heard this on Pardon the Interruption, but this is true. And in this respect I'll back what Klinsmann said. We don't have discussions in the media the way other countries do. Granted, it worked for his benefit at certain points. But for the most part, Bradley played like crap and noone asked him, in his face, do you think you should sit? Wilbon and the other guy were basically like, how is this Klinsmann's fault, the fault is in the media, who doesn't report that our players play like crap and don't ring them out in public. I honestly thought that was kinda far fetched, but these are the boards who believe that the media ruined Adu.

Asking a player to play out of his position is kinda weird in Soccer. Because unlike baseball, there aren't really any defined positions.

1 - 9 in baseball, yea 1- 11 in soccer, but you can play with 2 or 3 CDMs (insert JK joke here) and you don't have an appropriate number, you can't put 3 third basemen lol.

If he wants Zusi in at RB, it's probably because he wants width from the back. I'm going out on a limb here, and think that the midfield will either be 2 CDM and 3 Cams who will occupy the middle, or 3 proper with a line of 2 dividing the field in 2.

Just my stupid idiotic guessing.

Rey Regicide
Post #4
Thursday January 5, 2017 7:46pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,695
hell look at the rosters

Kellyn Acosta (FC Dallas), Alejandro Bedoya (Philadelphia Union), Michael Bradley (Toronto FC), Benny Feilhaber (Sporting Kansas City), Jermaine Jones (Unattached), Sacha Kljestan (New York Red Bulls), Sebastian Lletget (LA Galaxy), Kekuta Manneh (Vancouver Whitecaps FC), Dax McCarty (New York Red Bulls), Darlington Nagbe (Portland Timbers), Chris Pontius (Philadelphia Union), Wil Trapp (Columbus Crew SC)

it's screaming no wingers aside from Pontius... I think he might try something like a wide 4 5 1, but aside from that, the formation goes narrower.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #5
Thursday January 5, 2017 9:05pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,665
Rey Regicide, please tell me you're not Rob Usry.

Specific to the Zusi at RB possibility, or Wondo in camp, I'll just hope that it doesn't matter come March.

Rey Regicide
Post #6
Thursday January 5, 2017 9:07pm

Joined Sep 2013
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I am not, he's a cool dude, we both like hip hop and highlight videos of Gedion Zelalem...wait am I rob?

Why am I rob?

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #7
Thursday January 5, 2017 9:09pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,665
Oh, my comment was a tangent to the Zusi RB issue. I am not saying you are him.
But I think the guy's not as competent as the position he holds on a blog, let alone the average YA poster.

Live490
Texas
Post #8
Thursday January 5, 2017 10:54pm

Joined Mar 2013
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Zusi played RB with KC multiple times.

dolcem
Post #9
Friday January 6, 2017 7:18am

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Total Posts: 1,676
"Klinsmann plays players out position" was one of the most common complaints people had at about him.

Can someone let me know what they were angry about? Brad Evans at RB? Beasley at LB? Fabian Johnson at whatever position he decided the day before wasn't his (even though he's equally solid anywhere on the flanks)? Michael Bradley as the #8, even though he has played as a #6, #8, and #10 for lengthy periods throughout his career?

The only one that I can think of was that one time Bedoya played as a CM in a 4-5-1 against Brazil. He played as a CM quite a bit in France, but I guess since there wasn't a #6 there, that made him the "#6." Klinsmann trotted out a really offensive 11 to see how we could do, because it was a friendly, and we got smoked. I was totally fine with it, because friendlies are for experimenting and it was refreshing to see at least a little bit of imagination (not exactly a strong point of Coach Bob). If we play a top-tier opponent in a friendly under Coach Bruce, I'm sure we'll bunker down and not learn very much, and the fans will be happier with a 1-0 loss. Of course the great results we had in friendlies over the past few years didn't count because they were friendlies, but we play poorly in one and it's the end of the world.

Anyway, we played one guy out of position during a friendly and it didn't work and everyone was acting like he had just run over a defenseless toddler in an Audi, followed by a million posts of the lineups people use when they play FIFA.

The reality is that managers play guys out of position all of the time. They also tinker with the lineups endlessly. The armchair coaches on the internet are trying to armchair coach a sport they don't understand (and no, just because you were a good player in high school does not mean you get the sport, because if you grew up here, you were coached by people who don't really get it either). No need to listen to them or their lineups.
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Rey Regicide
Post #10
Friday January 6, 2017 2:07pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,695
Original post from mmee

Oh, my comment was a tangent to the Zusi RB issue. I am not saying you are him.
But I think the guy's not as competent as the position he holds on a blog, let alone the average YA poster.


Oh why thanks! Disassociating myself from incompetence is somethings I always strive for.

Rey Regicide
Post #11
Friday January 6, 2017 2:12pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Beasley btw is now a LB under Arena

Man, I'm not Rob Usry, but sometimes I wonder if I'm Dolcem.

(I am not.)

(I don't think.)

Yea I didn't see Bradley as the 10, I think JK was saying he's in the 10 position, like where you would line up a 10, but a "position" isn't spatial in soccer, it's functional. He didn't have to do Zidane stuff, he had to do Bradley stuff and he still sucked at doing that.

Of course the frustrating part of Klinsmann is we had guys who could do "iniesta" stuff in Nagbe, but he never got on with him. That's a valid critique of him, him being a vindictive bum, who probably listens to alot of criticism, and feels he doesn't get enough credit for his acumen.

dolcem
Post #12
Friday January 6, 2017 8:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,676
Original post from Rey Regicide

Beasley btw is now a LB under Arena

Man, I'm not Rob Usry, but sometimes I wonder if I'm Dolcem.

(I am not.)

(I don't think.)

Yea I didn't see Bradley as the 10, I think JK was saying he's in the 10 position, like where you would line up a 10, but a "position" isn't spatial in soccer, it's functional. He didn't have to do Zidane stuff, he had to do Bradley stuff and he still sucked at doing that.

Of course the frustrating part of Klinsmann is we had guys who could do "iniesta" stuff in Nagbe, but he never got on with him. That's a valid critique of him, him being a vindictive bum, who probably listens to alot of criticism, and feels he doesn't get enough credit for his acumen.


Very well said. People always said that we played a 4-4-2 with Bradley as the #10. I think that even came from Klinsmann himself.

The reality is though that we played a 4-5-1. Dempsey clearly sat behind Altidore, and while Bradley played farther up than Beckerman (the #6), he definitely was not a #10. He was the #8. Klinsmann called him the #10 to motivate him and get him to be a factor offensively, because that's what the team needed. Our options in the attack have always been so underwhelming that we needed to have a weapon lying deeper.

I remember one time posting my PES lineup on here (FIFA is for newbies to the sport) and I had Bradley as a #6. I got into an argument with several posters because they said that Bradley needed to be a big part of the offense because he was our best offensive player (aside from Dempsey), and that it would be a huge waste if he were to play as the #6. Well, those same people (two I can think of off the top of my head) later on criticized Klinsmann for playing Bradley too offensively. They blamed Klinsmann for Bradley's woeful form.

Bradley spent a long, long time playing as the #6 and #8, and even played as the #10 for a season (and set the record for goals scored by an American abroad). The issue has never been his position. He started playing like garbage after he went to the MLS, and people do all of the mental gymnastics possible to avoid seeing the connection.

We have been accused of being the same person before, and I actually take that as a compliment. I don't always agree with you, but you make a lot more sense than most of the other internet fans.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #13
Friday January 6, 2017 9:18pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,665
Original post from Rey Regicide

Oh why thanks! Disassociating myself from incompetence is somethings I always strive for.


Rey- it was an off-the-cuff dumb joke. I hope that was clear.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #14
Friday January 6, 2017 9:28pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,665
Original post from dolcem

I remember one time posting my PES lineup on here (FIFA is for newbies to the sport)


No, you and Rey are not the same person. One of you is a hypocritical idiot who accuses other people of pretending to know soccer from video game lineups. You tried to shit talk me about 'my FIFA lineup' once or twice when I don't even play. Is PES how you know JK was doing a great job and wasn't poisoning the whole team?

You can't seriously be trying to compare how JK tactically and psychologically mis-prepared his team with what Arena will do, can you? You have a few examples of Arena playing people out of position to cling on to, and a mountain of negative examples from JK (positionally, tactically, psychologically) to try to sweep under the rug. Good luck.

TheTruth
Post #15
Saturday January 7, 2017 1:20am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Who ever said that Bradley was our best offensive player other than Dempsey? I'm calling bullshit on that. In fact, I feel like I'm completely covered in Dolcem diarrhea right now. Ugh, how do I get the stink off!?

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