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Lilshmike
Post #31
Thursday December 20, 2018 3:07pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,177
Original post from 2tone

Glad he got a goal. I really hope he comes good on his talent. Having a USMNT corps of : Wright, Sargent, Novakovich, and Wood sounds pretty good to me.
I've been watching Novakovich. He isn't very good...

Can't hold the ball. Can't dribble very well. Can't pass too good. I can see why he was called up, then not selected to the bench for the USMNT.

Also, unpopular opinion here: Haji Wright up to this point is more deserving of a call-up than Sargent.

He has more games played in, more minutes played, and actually scored a goal as opposed to stealing one from a teammate by getting the last touch on a ball that was already going into the net...

bjelks
Post #32
Thursday December 20, 2018 6:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from Lilshmike

I've been watching Novakovich. He isn't very good...

Can't hold the ball. Can't dribble very well. Can't pass too good. I can see why he was called up, then not selected to the bench for the USMNT.

Also, unpopular opinion here: Haji Wright up to this point is more deserving of a call-up than Sargent.

He has more games played in, more minutes played, and actually scored a goal as opposed to stealing one from a teammate by getting the last touch on a ball that was already going into the net...


So you mean Nova's level is prime Jozy in your opinion lol?
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #33
Thursday December 20, 2018 7:59pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,356
Original post from Lilshmike

I've been watching Novakovich. He isn't very good...

Can't hold the ball. Can't dribble very well. Can't pass too good. I can see why he was called up, then not selected to the bench for the USMNT.

Also, unpopular opinion here: Haji Wright up to this point is more deserving of a call-up than Sargent.

He has more games played in, more minutes played, and actually scored a goal as opposed to stealing one from a teammate by getting the last touch on a ball that was already going into the net...


I have been watching nova. And he is pretty good. Good passing, good dribbling, better hold up play than Haji, and better finisher. Different opinions that's all. Haji has talent and I hope he comes good.

cudevil
Post #34
Thursday December 20, 2018 8:03pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 929
Original post from Lilshmike

I've been watching Novakovich. He isn't very good...

Can't hold the ball. Can't dribble very well. Can't pass too good. I can see why he was called up, then not selected to the bench for the USMNT.

Also, unpopular opinion here: Haji Wright up to this point is more deserving of a call-up than Sargent.

He has more games played in, more minutes played, and actually scored a goal as opposed to stealing one from a teammate by getting the last touch on a ball that was already going into the net...


Torn on Novakovich. ESPN+ had the Fortuna - Feyernoord match. Nova played the entire game. He butchered a touch on what would have been a clear break away. Had some really poor decision making that killed a couple of other attacks. Seems a bit heavy footed to me. But then, he had a couple of great runs including one that resulted in an assist on the game winning goal. Not sure that he's quick enough or physical enough for the international level.

I think trying to differentiate the limited playing time between Wright and Sargent is a bit silly. They've both had limited opportunities. Wright appears to be at a spot where he'll get more minutes. He's also 2 years older, has been with Schalke/in Germany much longer than Sargent, and Schalke are wallowing at the wrong end of the table. They're both at a good spot, and both should be getting called in.

Lilshmike
Post #35
Thursday December 20, 2018 8:33pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,177
Original post from 2tone

I have been watching nova. And he is pretty good. Good passing, good dribbling, better hold up play than Haji, and better finisher. Different opinions that's all. Haji has talent and I hope he comes good.
Watching highlights or full games? Read Cudevil's post on Nova. It is fairly spot on.

Nova being better than Haji also isn't saying much. Haji isn't very good either. He is getting minutes due to personnel shortages (hence why McKennie has played at ST for Schalke). At the moment, hes a lesser version of Gyassi Zardes with worse positioning. Thats nothing to be proud of...

Lilshmike
Post #36
Thursday December 20, 2018 9:31pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,177
Original post from bjelks

So you mean Nova's level is prime Jozy in your opinion lol?
Considering that prime Jozy was able to bag 20+ Eredivisie goals and 30+ across all competitions in one season for a team that was competing in Europa League, it is safe to say that Nova is currently well below the level of prime Jozy.

Also, this thread is about Haji - not Jozy Altidore. If you want to spew out nonsense, false stats, baseless claims, factually inaccurate statements, or any other stupidity laced comments, then please... start a thread and move the debate there.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #37
Thursday December 20, 2018 9:35pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,356
Original post from Lilshmike

Watching highlights or full games? Read Cudevil's post on Nova. It is fairly spot on.

Nova being better than Haji also isn't saying much. Haji isn't very good either. He is getting minutes due to personnel shortages (hence why McKennie has played at ST for Schalke). At the moment, hes a lesser version of Gyassi Zardes with worse positioning. Thats nothing to be proud of...


Just pointing out different opinions. One persons opinion is just that. McKennie played more of a 10 behind not really as a striker. Hopefully Wright continues to get better.

bjelks
Post #38
Friday December 21, 2018 12:21am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from Lilshmike

Considering that prime Jozy was able to bag 20+ Eredivisie goals and 30+ across all competitions in one season for a team that was competing in Europa League, it is safe to say that Nova is currently well below the level of prime Jozy.

Also, this thread is about Haji - not Jozy Altidore. If you want to spew out nonsense, false stats, baseless claims, factually inaccurate statements, or any other stupidity laced comments, then please... start a thread and move the debate there.


So you're telling me the fact Jozy played on a top table team in Eredivisie that created a shit load of chances and fed him high volume of tap-ins has nothing to do with his 20+ and 30+ all competition goals lol?
As opposed to Nova being injured and playing on a bottom table team lol?
None of that has anything to do with Jozy being better.
Try harder buddy lol.

Why are you not concerned with what Jozy does when not being fed tap-ins? Does it not fit your fanboy narrative?
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cudevil
Post #39
Friday December 21, 2018 7:24pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 929
Original post from bjelks

So you're telling me the fact Jozy played on a top table team in Eredivisie that created a shit load of chances and fed him high volume of tap-ins has nothing to do with his 20+ and 30+ all competition goals lol?
As opposed to Nova being injured and playing on a bottom table team lol?
None of that has anything to do with Jozy being better.
Try harder buddy lol.

Why are you not concerned with what Jozy does when not being fed tap-ins? Does it not fit your fanboy narrative?


Your takes on this are clownish. Fortuna is a mid-table team that is 8th in the Eresdivisie in goals scored. Offense is not the team's issue. The idea that Jozy only got his goals because he had a bunch of tap ins is just crap. It's counterfactual BS that is typical of most of your takes on Jozy. Nova isn't as big, isn't as fast, and isn't as strong. You like to talk about a Euro teams "rate" guys, well, Jozy was on a better Eresdivisie team because he was rated a better player at a similar age.

You want to give Nova an excuse for playing for Fortuna, while not extending any consideration for the fact that both Hull City and Sunderland were horrific teams.

It's just a constant stream of nonsensical, objectively false takes. I mean, you told me that you can't compare the fact that Wood's output in the Bundes to Jozy's best year at AZ because of the difference in leagues, then try to argue that Nova is just as good despite paltry numbers in the same fucking league. It's garbage, all the way down.

Lilshmike
Post #40
Friday December 21, 2018 7:52pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,177
Original post from cudevil

Your takes on this are clownish. Fortuna is a mid-table team that is 8th in the Eresdivisie in goals scored. Offense is not the team's issue. The idea that Jozy only got his goals because he had a bunch of tap ins is just crap. It's counterfactual BS that is typical of most of your takes on Jozy. Nova isn't as big, isn't as fast, and isn't as strong. You like to talk about a Euro teams "rate" guys, well, Jozy was on a better Eresdivisie team because he was rated a better player at a similar age.

You want to give Nova an excuse for playing for Fortuna, while not extending any consideration for the fact that both Hull City and Sunderland were horrific teams.

It's just a constant stream of nonsensical, objectively false takes. I mean, you told me that you can't compare the fact that Wood's output in the Bundes to Jozy's best year at AZ because of the difference in leagues, then try to argue that Nova is just as good despite paltry numbers in the same fucking league. It's garbage, all the way down.
Dude... yes

bjelks
Post #41
Friday December 21, 2018 8:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,229
Original post from cudevil

Your takes on this are clownish. Fortuna is a mid-table team that is 8th in the Eresdivisie in goals scored. Offense is not the team's issue. The idea that Jozy only got his goals because he had a bunch of tap ins is just crap. It's counterfactual BS that is typical of most of your takes on Jozy. Nova isn't as big, isn't as fast, and isn't as strong. You like to talk about a Euro teams "rate" guys, well, Jozy was on a better Eresdivisie team because he was rated a better player at a similar age.

You want to give Nova an excuse for playing for Fortuna, while not extending any consideration for the fact that both Hull City and Sunderland were horrific teams.

It's just a constant stream of nonsensical, objectively false takes. I mean, you told me that you can't compare the fact that Wood's output in the Bundes to Jozy's best year at AZ because of the difference in leagues, then try to argue that Nova is just as good despite paltry numbers in the same fucking league. It's garbage, all the way down.


Here we go more fanboy energy.
I said Nova has missed a lot of time due to injury which he has lol.
Jozy was in a better team because he was a higher rated euro
transfer to Villarreal initially and bombed out so he was demoted to
a good Eredivisie team to develop smh. That doesn't mean he's better lol.
You're proving my pt with hull and Sunderland, when he wasn't fed tap-ins he was terrible.
Nova's goals have been more difficult and higher quality.
You say Nova isn't as big. This is false, Nova is 3 inches taller and weighs 10 lbs more.
Jozy isn't faster. Never seen him separate from a defender in space.
Jozy May be stronger but it doesn't matter because he's known as a serial flopper.
You should start a thread about making excuses for failed, washed mls players and the fanboys that love them haha.
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Spank
661
Post #42
Friday December 21, 2018 8:12pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 130
Original post from Lilshmike

Watching highlights or full games? Read Cudevil's post on Nova. It is fairly spot on.

Nova being better than Haji also isn't saying much. Haji isn't very good either. He is getting minutes due to personnel shortages (hence why McKennie has played at ST for Schalke). At the moment, hes a lesser version of Gyassi Zardes with worse positioning. Thats nothing to be proud of...


I don't know how this post got ignored but this is one of the most glaring examples of MLS fanboying around! NO top four champions league team ever wanted to sign Zardes and he was never good enough either.

You complain about Bjelks valuations and yours are worse. Just stop already.

Know Nothing
Post #43
Friday December 21, 2018 9:16pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,617
I think if he continues to develop Haji Wright will be a sold contributor to the USMNT

Lilshmike
Post #44
Friday December 21, 2018 9:35pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,177
Original post from Spank

I don't know how this post got ignored but this is one of the most glaring examples of MLS fanboying around! NO top four champions league team ever wanted to sign Zardes and he was never good enough either.

You complain about Bjelks valuations and yours are worse. Just stop already.
You do realize that I am not praising Zardes, right? I'm saying that he isn't very good. If slamming an MLS player for having sub par talent makes someone a fanboy, then consider me Miles Davis...

But seriously, have you actually watched Haji play for Schalke? I've watched almost every minute he has played for them so far - actual games, not highlights. Its not great. Don't believe me? Check the player ratings for the games hes played in. Hes pretty much the worst rated player on the field every game. Clearly my valuation on Haji isn't far off...

Hes a decently sized, athletic, fairly pacey player with a poor touch, no real noticeable footskills, and seemingly no positional awareness. That is literally the exact same criticism that Zardes gets. They fit a very similar profile of player. That is the point that I am making - Zardes is not very good, nor is Haji.

Haji is younger, so time is hopefully on his side to continue developing. But at the moment, meaning this exact point in time, hes a lesser version of Zardes.

cudevil
Post #45
Friday December 21, 2018 10:32pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 929
Original post from bjelks

Here we go more fanboy energy.
I said Nova has missed a lot of time due to injury which he has lol.
Jozy was in a better team because he was a higher rated euro
transfer to Villarreal initially and bombed out so he was demoted to
a good Eredivisie team to develop smh. That doesn't mean he's better lol.
You're proving my pt with hull and Sunderland, when he wasn't fed tap-ins he was terrible.
Nova's goals have been more difficult and higher quality.
You say Nova isn't as big. This is false, Nova is 3 inches taller and weighs 10 lbs more.
Jozy isn't faster. Never seen him separate from a defender in space.
Jozy May be stronger but it doesn't matter because he's known as a serial flopper.
You should start a thread about making excuses for failed, washed mls players and the fanboys that love them haha.


More tripe. Of course it means Jozy was better when a BETTER TEAM TAKES HIM ON A TRANSFER. It's amazing that something so obvious needs to be said.

Nova doesn't look anywhere near as big as Jozy and doesn't display any level of physicality in the matches that I've seen (albeit in limited viewings).

Never seen Jozy separate from a defender in space? Sure, ok.

Higher quality goals? Ok, whatever.

Call me Nova produces like some of these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8pJGwEY6EA

Just tap ins, right? Completely clownish takes.

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