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dolcem
Post #121
Saturday February 4, 2017 11:00am

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I remember quite a few years back that blaise had a profile on ESPN and you could tell from the profile pic that he was, as they say, "ethnic looking." Probably Latino but maybe Middle Eastern. But definitely not 100% white.

So, blaise...are you an American citizen? Can you show us your birth certificate? We have a right to know. Cuz if you're not, when we finish building that wall, you can GIT OUT.

@mme: don't listen to him, that sign is dope.
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skangles
DC
Post #122
Saturday February 4, 2017 3:53pm

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navi8132
Post #123
Saturday February 4, 2017 3:59pm

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One of the greatest television episodes of all time.

dolcem
Post #124
Saturday February 4, 2017 4:32pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Also, Cameron has come out in support of the travel ban:

http://sbisoccer.com/2017/02/geoff-cameron-sp...

Very disappointing. A lot of really bad vibes going on right now in America, and I hope this doesn't affect team chemistry at all. One thing is for sure though, unlike last World Cup, everyone will be rooting against us this time.
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tylercocinas
Post #125
Saturday February 4, 2017 11:37pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from blaise213
@tyler, the biggest pussy on this forum.


Hahaha. My point still stands that you have always had ridiculously foolish ideas when it comes to USMNT. And possibly the lowest IQ of any fan I've ever interacted with. I bet it gets pretty lonely down there in your parents basement at night lol.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #126
Sunday February 5, 2017 12:34am

Joined May 2013
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Yeah that Geoff Cameron stuff from Wahl was super disappointing but I'm not surprised by it. Cameron's a dumb jock from Attleboro. How he can say this around some of his foreign teammates and ones of Muslim faith is beyond me.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #127
Sunday February 5, 2017 7:32pm

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Original post from EKneezy

Yeah that Geoff Cameron stuff from Wahl was super disappointing but I'm not surprised by it. Cameron's a dumb jock from Attleboro. How he can say this around some of his foreign teammates and ones of Muslim faith is beyond me.


So just because he disagrees with your opinion he is a dumb jock? Argue against his opinion not attack him personally.

I support a "temporary" travel ban. But I guess that makes me a nationalist because I support properly vetting refugees?

navi8132
Post #128
Sunday February 5, 2017 8:17pm

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The title of this thread is "BRUCE ARENA TAKE 2." Just a reminder.

dolcem
Post #129
Sunday February 5, 2017 8:47pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from 2tone

I support a "temporary" travel ban. But I guess that makes me a nationalist because I support properly vetting refugees?


On seven different countries? Based on what evidence?

A temporary travel been is only supposed to be imposed in an emergency, based on strong evidence of terrorists arriving from the country in question. You can't tell me that there is the threat of an imminent terrorist attack coming from each of those seven countries. Iran? There are no Iranian terrorists. Like ever. I mean even Ayatollah Yousef Sanei once said that "terror in Islam, and especially Shiite, is forbidden." Now the Saudis, on the other hand, share lots of close links to terrorist groups, but of course they won't be banned because they're our most important ally in the Middle East.

More importantly, the way this one was enacted was completely unconstitutional.

Nationalist, maybe not, but misinformed, definitely.
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tylercocinas
Post #130
Sunday February 5, 2017 9:13pm

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Original post from dolcem

On seven different countries? Based on what evidence?

A temporary travel been is only supposed to be imposed in an emergency, based on strong evidence of terrorists arriving from the country in question. You can't tell me that there is the threat of an imminent terrorist attack coming from each of those seven countries. Iran? There are no Iranian terrorists. Like ever. I mean even Ayatollah Yousef Sanei once said that "terror in Islam, and especially Shiite, is forbidden." Now the Saudis, on the other hand, share lots of close links to terrorist groups, but of course they won't be banned because they're our most important ally in the Middle East.

More importantly, the way this one was enacted was completely unconstitutional.

Nationalist, maybe not, but misinformed, definitely.


Seems simple enough, Dolcem. I don't understand how everyone isn't coming to that conclusion. I mean I think we all support the safety of our country, but too many people are saying they support a temporary ban as if we're just letting folks in left and right without a strict vetting process. This ban was entirely too broad, not tailored to fit the alleged rationale for its implementation, and discriminatory against Muslims in the 7 countries in that it carved out broad exceptions for minority religions.

admsghs27
Post #131
Sunday February 5, 2017 9:32pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I also support the temporary travel ban our country's safety is top priority we have the right to say who can come in to this country. Several countries around the world have bans on certain countries we aren't the only ones.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #132
Monday February 6, 2017 5:09am

Joined Oct 2014
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I do not see the big deal. Should it have been communicated better after they implemented it YES however you can't fault the strategy why give advance warning about our strategy.

As for as why the 7 countries, those were countries Obama labeled troubled areas.

no one said people can't come here, we are simply saying we need to figure out the vetting process, and then we will let people in.

again, could they have clarified things better, of course, but really I don't understand the big deal
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dolcem
Post #133
Monday February 6, 2017 11:54am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from stoked3

I do not see the big deal. Should it have been communicated better after they implemented it YES however you can't fault the strategy why give advance warning about our strategy.

As for as why the 7 countries, those were countries Obama labeled troubled areas.

no one said people can't come here, we are simply saying we need to figure out the vetting process, and then we will let people in.

again, could they have clarified things better, of course, but really I don't understand the big deal


You don't see the big deal? It doesn't better you that the way it was enacted was completely unconstitutional?

There was plenty of advanced warning. Trump said over and over again during his campaign that he would ban Muslims from entering the country. So he comes into office and issues an executive order (circumventing the normal legal procedures for doing so, btw: none of the relevant agencies were consulted for a review) banning immigrants from the countries that he could get away with. Of course that didn't include Saudi Arabia or Pakistan (15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers were Saudis, remember?), because they're too useful for us, and some of the countries that it did include (e.g. Iran) are so far from harboring terrorist threats that it's laughable. The Department of Homeland Security didn't even see the details of the order until right before it was finalized. They interpreted it to not extend to green card holders, which was then overruled by the White House overnight. Some of these people risked their lives to work side-by-side American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And most of the top bureaucrats in charge of implementing this plan weren't even briefed on it until the day it was announced, which is one of the reasons this has been such a mess. The text of the order wasn't produced until after hours it was signed, not before Kellyanne Conway said that it would never be released. Even the list of the 7 countries wasn't made public until Friday night, hours after it was signed. This has led to a great deal of confusion, particularly regarding what to do with people traveling on flights. It's not just that this White House sucks at communicating things, they suck at literally everything.

The notion that "we need to figure out the vetting process" is absurd. Do you have any experience in this area? I interned at a non-profit immigration law firm one time, mostly working with asylum cases (which are a different story), but it's not from my own knowledge that I'm speaking from rather than common sense. Refugees are the most carefully vetted visa category out there. The process can take up to two years. It begins with screening from the United Nations and then an even more thorough screening on the US side. Now even if we're talking about the Syrians, who supposedly pose the biggest threat, only about 2% of them are military-aged males, according to the State Department. The vast majority of them are women, children, and the elderly. These are people that are fleeing from the very terrorists we consider to be our biggest enemies: ISIS and Al-Qaeda. A 2015 study from The Economist found that out of over 750,000 refugees in the US, not a single one had been responsible for an act of terror in the country. The first and only occurred last year-the Somalian guy who stabbed those people-but he was found to be a lone wolf without any connections to terrorist organizations.

This is way off-topic but these are discussions we need to be having. The public needs to be aware of how grossly incompetent and misguided this administration is. I mean we all thought things would be bad but in two and a half weeks this guy has already put himself in serious contention as the worst president in history. It's like the Bush administration times ten. This is what you get when you elect a reality TV star as president who surrounds himself with people with little experience in politics. The most powerful man in the administration-Steve Bannon-has virtually no political experience. It's like we're living in a dystopian novel.
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tylercocinas
Post #134
Monday February 6, 2017 4:04pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from stoked3
no one said people can't come here, we are simply saying we need to figure out the vetting process, and then we will let people in.


Sadly, based on the specific language of the EO, yes, Trump did say people can't come here. For one, the order included an indefinite ban on Syrian refugees.

Secondarily, your statement presumes that the current vetting process is not thorough enough, but yet as Dolcem pointed out, no other class of immigrants is screened more intensely than refugees. The order took advantage of your completely understandable desire for safety, and instead attempted to use it as a pretext for banning Muslims from the US.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #135
Monday February 6, 2017 7:33pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 118
Original post from dolcem

You don't see the big deal? It doesn't better you that the way it was enacted was completely unconstitutional?

There was plenty of advanced warning. Trump said over and over again during his campaign that he would ban Muslims from entering the country. So he comes into office and issues an executive order (circumventing the normal legal procedures for doing so, btw: none of the relevant agencies were consulted for a review) banning immigrants from the countries that he could get away with. Of course that didn't include Saudi Arabia or Pakistan (15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers were Saudis, remember?), because they're too useful for us, and some of the countries that it did include (e.g. Iran) are so far from harboring terrorist threats that it's laughable. The Department of Homeland Security didn't even see the details of the order until right before it was finalized. They interpreted it to not extend to green card holders, which was then overruled by the White House overnight. Some of these people risked their lives to work side-by-side American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And most of the top bureaucrats in charge of implementing this plan weren't even briefed on it until the day it was announced, which is one of the reasons this has been such a mess. The text of the order wasn't produced until after hours it was signed, not before Kellyanne Conway said that it would never be released. Even the list of the 7 countries wasn't made public until Friday night, hours after it was signed. This has led to a great deal of confusion, particularly regarding what to do with people traveling on flights. It's not just that this White House sucks at communicating things, they suck at literally everything.

The notion that "we need to figure out the vetting process" is absurd. Do you have any experience in this area? I interned at a non-profit immigration law firm one time, mostly working with asylum cases (which are a different story), but it's not from my own knowledge that I'm speaking from rather than common sense. Refugees are the most carefully vetted visa category out there. The process can take up to two years. It begins with screening from the United Nations and then an even more thorough screening on the US side. Now even if we're talking about the Syrians, who supposedly pose the biggest threat, only about 2% of them are military-aged males, according to the State Department. The vast majority of them are women, children, and the elderly. These are people that are fleeing from the very terrorists we consider to be our biggest enemies: ISIS and Al-Qaeda. A 2015 study from The Economist found that out of over 750,000 refugees in the US, not a single one had been responsible for an act of terror in the country. The first and only occurred last year-the Somalian guy who stabbed those people-but he was found to be a lone wolf without any connections to terrorist organizations.

This is way off-topic but these are discussions we need to be having. The public needs to be aware of how grossly incompetent and misguided this administration is. I mean we all thought things would be bad but in two and a half weeks this guy has already put himself in serious contention as the worst president in history. It's like the Bush administration times ten. This is what you get when you elect a reality TV star as president who surrounds himself with people with little experience in politics. The most powerful man in the administration-Steve Bannon-has virtually no political experience. It's like we're living in a dystopian novel.


No it doesn't bother me at all in fact I applaud it. And no it wasn't unconstitutional, it was under the same constitution Obama used to suspend people from Irag. Since you were an intern I assume you are an expert on the issue. Maybe the issue isn't our vetting process but rather following and enforcing the vetting process. Same thing with our deportation process- Look It is always easy to blame the other "party" but logically one must step back and look at what in part got us to this crisis point. You mentioned Syria-Obama knew what was going on there so he drew a red line-they laugh crossed it and he didn't do anything- making the refugee problem that much bigger, I am all for ANY refugee coming to our great nation, but I am all for a proper vetting if the people like our country and will follow our laws-seems logical to me.

I didn't hear a word from you when christian refugees from Syria were denied by Obama?

The list of the 7 countries was used in part bc those were the countries Obama defined as "dangerous" what is funny is not to many of those nations seem to be upset about the ban.

Other countries have rules as well regarding who can enter, for how long, etc

To be clear, I am all for ANY person of ANY religion coming here to the extend they are vetting and love America, and promise to abide by our laws.

Should the process to come here legally be easier, faster, more efficient etc absolutely but that is not a Trump fault-but I sure hope is can make it better. There are many people looking to come here legally its sad that people that come here illegally somehow come out in front of them
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