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skangles
DC
Post #316
Sunday November 13, 2016 2:21am

Joined Jan 2013
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The 3-5-2 failed but I said several times in this thread before the game that I liked the gamble. I think this is what Juergen was thinking:

1) Cameron was injured so he has to make changes to the backline and more importantly to the Brooks/Cameron partnership regardless.

2) Fabian and Chandler have both been playing well in the attack for their clubs. By playing three CBs they had complete freedom to own the wing (at least according to the plan).

3) The pre-game show was all about the mental frailty of Mexico and how they have hired a psychologist. Juergen flipping the script and showing an unlikely lineup/formation was an opportunity to get inside their heads.

I give Osorio a lot of credit, he made the necessary changes immediately and he clearly had his guys well prepared for any curveballs.

Juergen definitely got out-tactic-ed by Osorio and he stuck with his plan about 10 minutes too long. Still, I don't blame him for trying something unconventional.

TheTruth
Post #317
Sunday November 13, 2016 3:46am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Yeah, the Cameron injury, which would not have mattered at all 12 months ago, screwed everything up. That's why Juergo went to the 3-5-2. He was going with what he thought were his best 11 (or best in-form 11) - this is what he said in the interview a couple of minutes before kickoff.

While Gonzo has been very good in Mehico he's just not good enough to be on the field. And he didn't want Yedlin as an outside back in a 3-5-2.

A little weird how Cameron went from not being able to make the 1st 11, to being a lock to start after a good Copa performance, and then to being so indispensable that Jeurgo has to completely change his formation w/o him.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #318
Sunday November 13, 2016 3:50am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 327
For the record I agree with @skangles JK had to make changes, I don't fault him. Yes, he should have made the change sooner but at some point the players at this level should have been able to handle to formation for more than 15 mins. But I like that we are trying new things. at least we had a decent 2nd half to build on, had bradley passed the ball to wood the result could have been different,

but at some point we need to look at a new mid without bradley/jones-even if they both make russia -they will be a step slower, jones is always a red card risk--I really like jones but we have to build up the central mid combo
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #319
Sunday November 13, 2016 4:53am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Original post from EKneezy

The 3-5-2 is a good formation. My only sentiment: Why now? Why when the 4-1-3-2 worked so well?


No argument here. The classic JK move is, of course, to combine waiting too long with being impulsive- worst of both worlds.

Rey Regicide
Post #320
Sunday November 13, 2016 2:16pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
WThey won't criticize him because he's done alot for our team, Donovan left us hanging, there wasn't a back lash against him, it was against Klinsmann, if Chandler would have put in great performances for us, we'd never shit talk him.

Bradley deserves his place in history, and the right to be second guessed, the player that is, but that doesn't guarantee a spot every time we trot out in INTL play.

Also, everytime Jones receives the ball, he looks like he's trying to run a bootleg out of the pocket so he can get some time to look forward and hit a pass... such wasted space and energy. a simple give and go, starting with a pass back, and looking for space to re establish a different angle would solve those issues, I mean everyone takes TOO long with the ball, and it has nothing to do with formation. OR if it is the formation, and everyone is working on memory and not TALKING to each other, then THAT IS A problem. Is that why we want a 4 4 2? That's bs, that shouldn't be the case, these aren't amatuers they're pro's for pete's sake.

dolcem
Post #321
Sunday November 13, 2016 3:52pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from coverby

Does anyone know why the US soccer media won't criticize Bradley? Is it not allowed since he is an MLS player?


The US soccer media always has always worshiped Michael Bradley. His uncle was a sportswriter for ESPN and I think they see the Bradleys as the all-American soccer family. They also love the way he plays. He's not all that skilled but he's a really hard-worker and he gets really emotional and makes really anguished facial expressions when he plays. The see him as embodying the warrior spirit that we want to see from our players. Considering the amount of players in our program that they might view as "unAmerican," Bradley is their hero. He's been completely shit since he came back to the MLS but no one wants to talk about it because it'll seem like they're MLS bashing. No one wants to admit that the MLS is not on the same level as Serie A.
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navi8132
New York
Post #322
Sunday November 13, 2016 4:49pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
So essentially this game told me: "sonny boy, please expect Matt Besler to be the starting leftback at the 2018 World Cup."

Rey Regicide
Post #323
Monday November 14, 2016 11:14am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
I think if Miazga is on the team, and /or CCV, then Besler is out of a job, Besler was there for the third CB option doubtful he plays if we go with a 4 backline. I think Besler will be an alternate, but seeing how Fabian always comes through there, and with Chandler's domestic performance, along with the incumbent Yedlin, I don't think Besler is first option.

But even still, Besler at leftback is still manageable and serviceable. He wasn't the one who hurt us that night.

MSantoine
Post #324
Monday November 14, 2016 12:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
My main takeaways from this game:

Pulisic is a stud. There is no doubt that the only thing that can stop him from being the best American ever is injuries. He's electric everytime he touches the ball. Even though he messed up his two best chances of the night (that corner kick fell to him and he heavy touched it, and then when he blew through Mexico his last touch before the 18 yard box was too far forward) he was dominant for us.

Wood/Jozy will work - Boy did those two play great off each other once Pulisic dropped back more and started getting the ball and giving them service.

Chandler back in the mix - He did a good job of getting in the mix getting forward. Was pretty good overall defensively. Mexico's best attacks seemed to come from his side but for some reason it seemed to always be the midfielder/CBs on the guy when they scored/almost scored. Not sure if this was because Chandler was out of position or because h had his guy locked down and others messed up.

Bradley needs a break - Every now and then its best if a player stops getting called in. It can let him see the big picture from the outside, get rejuvenated, and get refocused. When Bradley was pulled early in JK's tenure he came back better than ever. I think after the CR game we should not call him in for awhile. Let guys like DWill, Stanko, Kitchen, play that role and see how we do. Then can decide in March if we bring him back into the fold.

Howard better be ok - Boy was he a stud until that injury. That finger tip save was a thing of beauty. The only goal he gave up took that odd deflection right off the kick , and Howard was in position if it didnt take that deflection. Not saying he would have saved that corner but you never know.

Rey Regicide
Post #325
Monday November 14, 2016 1:41pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
I don't think the break is going to do it for Bradley, it wasn't the break from service to the USMNT

It was the break he got in getting into Chievo's team, then subsequently into Roma's squad.

The honest truth of it all might juts very well be that Bradley is done, he's 29 years old, been playing heavy mintues since 17 and has been OUR guy every single game since 08, those are no small miles. That's ALOT OF MILES.

Live490
Texas
Post #326
Monday November 14, 2016 3:51pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
Do you guys think he peaked too early? Or can he still get some what better and maintain till his 31-32?

Rey Regicide
Post #327
Monday November 14, 2016 3:58pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from Live490

Do you guys think he peaked too early? Or can he still get some what better and maintain till his 31-32?


Peaked is the right word, he can still be useful, but he has to be given a specific task and not ask to Lampard/Gerrard all over the place, which is funny because if you think about it, the easier Lampard/Gerrard assignments got the better they was to sustain their performance throughout their 30's.

But yea, I think his best performances are behind him. This is what we were fearing with the crop of new not replacing the old, I mean Pulisic has been beyond expectations, but Zelalem and Hyndman, while still on a good path are a ways to go. Essentially needed players in between them, like Gil, Trapp to have been regulars by now. I'm fond of Lletget playing central mid, it was his position growing up.

Rey Regicide
Post #328
Monday November 14, 2016 3:58pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
... and of course... nagbe...

Live490
Texas
Post #329
Monday November 14, 2016 5:21pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
He's*. Lletget is my next to go guy. I really wanted Nagbe in the US lineup but might have played himself off.

Rey Regicide
Post #330
Monday November 14, 2016 6:55pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
http://www.socceramerica.com/article/71179/mi...

you know politics has made it so that we can't have good conversations about things w/o resulting to slander etc

well here, Bradley is honest enough to have a conversation about the formation.

Here he's saying that Chandler was by himself, meaning in a line of 5, if that is hwat it results in, then he doesn't have that midfield in front of him to help him out, especially when they start "overloading".

I feel like this is a good discussion about what you can do tactically to even numbers. I mean again we trotted out a funky diamond that threw them off, they were in the same 5 3 2 formation.. then in the second half they put a guy on Bradley and played him out of that space in the middle.

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