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dunlopp9987
Post #1
Wednesday September 21, 2016 10:36pm

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I'm sure there's a Kitchen thread somewhere, but it wasn't in the Scotland area. So here this is.

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/america...

That's crazy. Only been with the club 6 months and he's been given the armband for the rest of the season.
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Dave
Post #2
Wednesday September 21, 2016 11:05pm

Joined Jul 2014
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While Kitchen has never been what one would call a Star player, he has always been a consistent & dependable one. While I am a little surprise at how quickly he's been elevated to Captain, I am not surprised that he's been able to succeed at Hearts. Scotland is not the league it use to be competition wise, but it is still good to see that Perry is being rewarded for his performances.

hamsamwich
Post #3
Wednesday September 21, 2016 11:09pm

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Perry Kitchen should be given the most opportunities to succeed Kyle Beckerman in that holding midfield role in my opinion. I've always been a fan of this guy. The Cuba/NZ games are the perfect time to reintroduce him. With more attacking options around him than he used to have with DC (who stunted his growth in my opinion), he will actually get the chance to show what he has. I see him being that guy in Russia 2018 for USA, the good passing and smart on the ball holding midfielder with a cruncher for a tackle.

Dave
Post #4
Wednesday September 21, 2016 11:35pm

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Finding a quality CDM & LB are paramount IMO to allowing the US to transition into a more pro-active attacking team in either a 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 diamond formation. Imagine if you will a starting XI along the following lines.....

------Jozy---------Wood-----
------Pulisic/Gooch/Nagbe-------
---Fabian-----------Bradley---
--------Cameron/Kitchen------
TBD--Brooks---Cameron/CCV--Yedlin

IMO this would enable us to field our most talented players in a way that we could control the midfield without sacrificing to much defensively. This also enables us to have some quality depth options on the bench.
The versatility of some of our players will be key along with a number of our young players continuing their high level of performance/growth over the next 18 months.

hamsamwich
Post #5
Thursday September 22, 2016 12:09am

Joined Oct 2013
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At this moment time, i think that Cameron should play next to Brooks; Fabian and Pulisic should play wide (switching wings during the games play dictates); the strikers you have up there would be mine as well; but what about that LB? My solution would be Besler. But the heart of the question remains if Kitchen shows what I think he will: who will play that box to box role? Bradley? Klestjan? Bedoya? Nagbe? Other?

Perry Kitchen has good defensive range and so I think that can free up the other players to attack more.... Here's what I would like to see next month (non MLS players):

------ Wood -----
------ Bacon -----
Pulisic - Williams - Arriola
------ Kitchen -----
Bornstein - CCV - Miazga - Yedlin
------ Horvath -------

I really would enjoy watching the continued partnership of the old u20s, Carter-Vickers and Miazga. Those two really seemed to enjoy playing with each other and it's such a good pairing. Arriola has earned more time to see if he can be that right winger to complement Pulisic on the left. I back Paul for his work rate, and also his ability to get to that back post at the correct time when Pulisic makes those passes across. Danny Williams should play ahead of the most important player on the field, Kitchen himself. To me this should be a glimpse into the future.

If you all recall, Klinsmann has said that a symbol of failed USA development was Kyle Beckerman. He is a great USA player but didn't get developed and pushed to the top like maybe some of his skills and mental ability say he could have. Perry Kitchen is trying to right that wrong. It appears he is earning his respect in Scotland and so we will see where this gets. At the moment I agree with some of the others who say that Cameron is our defensive midfielder now, but Kitchen can take that spot as it's clearly up for grabs. He was injured last time but we know Jürgen calls him in this time.

Dave
Post #6
Thursday September 22, 2016 1:16am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 720
Original post from hamsamwich

At this moment time, i think that Cameron should play next to Brooks; Fabian and Pulisic should play wide (switching wings during the games play dictates); the strikers you have up there would be mine as well; but what about that LB? My solution would be Besler. But the heart of the question remains if Kitchen shows what I think he will: who will play that box to box role? Bradley? Klestjan? Bedoya? Nagbe? Other?

Perry Kitchen has good defensive range and so I think that can free up the other players to attack more.... Here's what I would like to see next month (non MLS players):

--- Wood ---
--- Bacon ---
Pulisic - Williams - Arriola
--- Kitchen ---
Bornstein - CCV - Miazga - Yedlin
--- Horvath ----

I really would enjoy watching the continued partnership of the old u20s, Carter-Vickers and Miazga. Those two really seemed to enjoy playing with each other and it's such a good pairing. Arriola has earned more time to see if he can be that right winger to complement Pulisic on the left. I back Paul for his work rate, and also his ability to get to that back post at the correct time when Pulisic makes those passes across. Danny Williams should play ahead of the most important player on the field, Kitchen himself. To me this should be a glimpse into the future.

If you all recall, Klinsmann has said that a symbol of failed USA development was Kyle Beckerman. He is a great USA player but didn't get developed and pushed to the top like maybe some of his skills and mental ability say he could have. Perry Kitchen is trying to right that wrong. It appears he is earning his respect in Scotland and so we will see where this gets. At the moment I agree with some of the others who say that Cameron is our defensive midfielder now, but Kitchen can take that spot as it's clearly up for grabs. He was injured last time but we know Jürgen calls him in this time.


@hamsamwich - In regards to your XI for the October friendlies, I would prefer Villafana be tried at LB than bringing back Bornstein. What I've seen of his play in both MLS & Liga MX I feel warrants a closer look. I have the hope that Villafana could free up Fabian. I'd also like to see Chandler given a chance at both outside back positions as I think he could provide competition for either.
While I do like Arriola, I'd like to see Gooch given a shot at the RM and/or CAM position sometime in the near future. He has a good combination of technical/tactical ability to go along with speed & grit. He seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder when he plays....similar to a Dempsey.

As for "Who plays the box-to-box role"...my personal preferences would be either Bradley, Nagbe, or Williams over the likes of Kljestan or Bedoya. Nagbe has speed & creativity, Williams has the hustle & grit similar to Jones, while Bradley is probably the most versatile of the 3. Kljestan IMO is to much of a defensive liability (lacking speed & grit) against high level competition. Bedoya, while a hustler, has been less than impressive in his recent performances. I feel that if he can't improve his level of play soon he'll be overtaken by some of the younger players.

hamsamwich
Post #7
Thursday September 22, 2016 12:45pm

Joined Oct 2013
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I would bring Gooch in from the bench. Along with Morales, Stanko, and Rubin- who should all get a little run in the games. But for me the focal point on the field is Kitchen. This dovetails nicely with @rey and his attacking 4-3-3. We must have a real #6 to do that.

johnvuke
Dallas
Post #8
Thursday September 22, 2016 1:33pm

Joined Aug 2016
Total Posts: 19
It's good Gooch is breaking through, but I don't see him as a starter. More technical/athletic players for him to compete with. And while minutes in the EPL is wonderful for a 20 year old...it's on Sunderland, and they are garbage. I'd like Jurgen to cap tie Gooch, but I'm not as optimistic, as say a CCV. More or less, I don't see where Gooch fits in yet. I hope Sunderland try him as more of a holding player, as he reads the game really well, and from what I've seen is a solid tackler.

tylercocinas
Post #9
Thursday September 22, 2016 1:54pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,104
Original post from johnvuke

It's good Gooch is breaking through, but I don't see him as a starter. More technical/athletic players for him to compete with. And while minutes in the EPL is wonderful for a 20 year old...it's on Sunderland, and they are garbage. I'd like Jurgen to cap tie Gooch, but I'm not as optimistic, as say a CCV. More or less, I don't see where Gooch fits in yet. I hope Sunderland try him as more of a holding player, as he reads the game really well, and from what I've seen is a solid tackler.


Gooch is a better Bedoya. Both put in great work on the defensive side but I think he's more threatening than Ale in the attack, and he's also more fleet of foot.

Dave
Post #10
Thursday September 22, 2016 2:10pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 720
Original post from johnvuke

It's good Gooch is breaking through, but I don't see him as a starter. More technical/athletic players for him to compete with. And while minutes in the EPL is wonderful for a 20 year old...it's on Sunderland, and they are garbage. I'd like Jurgen to cap tie Gooch, but I'm not as optimistic, as say a CCV. More or less, I don't see where Gooch fits in yet. I hope Sunderland try him as more of a holding player, as he reads the game really well, and from what I've seen is a solid tackler.


While it's hard to see his level of technical & tactical play with Sunderland since overall they are playing like crap in the league. I see Gooch as either a strong backup for Pulisic at LM (worse case scenario), an upgrade to Bedoya at RM (in time), or as the top of the diamond CM who's creative enough to assist in the attack but who is also strong enough defensively that he's not a liability. I could also see (in time) Gooch as the starting LM, Pulisic at the top of the diamond, and either Arriola or Zardes as the RM.

The nice thing about the young players like Pulisic & Gooch is their versatility. They could line-up anywhere in attacking positions.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #11
Thursday September 22, 2016 2:16pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,308
2022:
Kitchen (30)
Pulisic (24)
CCV (24)
Altidore (32)
Rubin (26)
Brooks (29)
Yedlin (29)
Zardes (31)
Wood (29)
Horvath (27)
Miazga (27)
Acosta (27)
Arriola (27)
Stanko (29)
Morris (27)
Steffen (27)
Parker (29)
Vincent (28)
Pelosi (28)
Hyndman (26)
Trapp (29)
Green (27)
Kiesewetter (29)
Payne (26)
Zelalem (25)

What I'd like to see for that is this:
Green - Wood - Arriola
Pulisic - Kitchen - Gooch
???? - Brooks - CCV - Yedlin
Horvath

That LB hopefully we can have Vincent or Payne develop into a LB.
No matter what level we seem to have issues at LB.

2018:
Wood - Altidore
Pulisic - Kitchen - Bradley - Gooch
Fabian - Brooks - Cameron - Yedlin
Howard

I think that could be a team that could do some damage. Having a dangerous guy like Pulisic and Wood to draw defenders away and keep them wide would open up space for Bradley, which is where he does well. I would keep it a flat 4-4-2 and allow Kitchen and Bradley to interchange a little bit. Both are good coming from deep and would probably allow Pulisic and Gooch to stay farther up field in the attacking third.

Ideally I'd love for Fabian - Kitchen - Gooch to go with a 4-3-3 with Pulisic - Altidore - Wood, but realistically JK isn't dropping his captain Bradley for Kitchen, and we don't have anyone else that can play LB at that level. So those aren't real options right now. But I'd like to see some kind of 4-3-3 with Kitchen and Gooch at some point in Qualifying/Friendlies in the run-up.
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Dave
Post #12
Thursday September 22, 2016 9:23pm

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Total Posts: 720
@USAGunner - Regarding your 2018 XI. If Kitchen gets the opportunity & succeeds as the CDM than we could potentially see a 4-3-3 where Gooch (LM), Kitchen (CM), Bradley (RM) are deployed. Gooch & Bradley have the hustle to cover the ground that those positions would require. It would then push Pulisic forward as either the wide Left or Right wing forward.
However, my personal preference would be to find a solution for LB & CDM (possibly Kitchen) then we could have a midfield trio of Fabian (LM), Kitchen (CDM), Bradley (RM). IMO based on where our players are right at right now this would be our best possible midfield. It also gives us a quality option (Gooch) able to come in off the bench for either LM or RM.

Regarding the 2022 XI. I feel that Kitchen is going to be hard pressed to remain in the 23 due to the likes of Stanko (29), Canouse (27) & Arce (25). They are 3 players I was been really impressed with during their youth national team careers. Stanko & Canouse were delayed by injury a bit, but they're were of the similar quality as #6s as Hyndman (26) & Zelalem (25) were as #8s. Another #8 to consider is De La Torre (23) who's already seeing minutes in the Championship with Fulham.
There are a couple additional players you should have included in your 2022 player pool. Akale (25), Perez (24), Wright (24), Weah (22). These attacking options will keep the pressure on the forward line you listed.
A possible solution for the LB/RB position could be Olosunde (24) & Fossey (23).
The 2022 pool looks like it is going to have an insane amount of talent.

admsghs27
Post #13
Thursday September 22, 2016 9:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,017
By 2022 there will probably be new unknown players that will emerge. I don't think anyone knew or heard about players in 2012 like Wood, Morris, Pulisic, Yedlin, Arriola, Rubin, etc.. and that was 4 years ago. Just imagine 6 years from now how many more new players will emerge.

tylercocinas
Post #14
Thursday September 22, 2016 10:00pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,104
Original post from admsghs27

By 2022 there will probably be new unknown players that will emerge. I don't think anyone knew or heard about players in 2012 like Wood, Morris, Pulisic, Yedlin, Arriola, Rubin, etc.. and that was 4 years ago. Just imagine 6 years from now how many more new players will emerge.


You got Gaines, Taitague, Wright, Lennon, Perez, etc. all coming up so I definitely think one or more of those young guys is gonna be kicking some of our established vets out of the picture by 2022

Dave
Post #15
Thursday September 22, 2016 10:24pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 720
Original post from admsghs27

By 2022 there will probably be new unknown players that will emerge. I don't think anyone knew or heard about players in 2012 like Wood, Morris, Pulisic, Yedlin, Arriola, Rubin, etc.. and that was 4 years ago. Just imagine 6 years from now how many more new players will emerge.


I agree there will always be a couple players who emerge from apparently nowhere. However being a bit of a number crunching statistics person, I began compiling a fairly comprehensive list of USMNT back in 2009. Logging names, clubs, positions, call-ups, caps, minutes played at the Sr. Level, & retirements.
I'm currently tracking roughly 120 players spanning from National Team regulars like Bradley, to players young prospects who are likely years away from potentially earning a call up. Players like Timothy Weah. The only stipulation I impose on myself is that the player must be eligible for the USA and are associated with a professional club to be added to the running list of players.
At the moment I've got 60 players 30 yrs of age or younger that I'm keeping tabs on for 2022. Most of these players will never even receive a call-up, but I find it fun and useful. It's also why I ask people on this site (and others) to provide names/background on players I've not previously heard of.

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