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2tone
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Post #16
Monday September 26, 2016 10:28pm

Joined Jul 2012
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But I love my FIFA lineups! Dolce M you hurt my feelings. I need a safe space, and you are mean. Lol. JK. I hear ya man, I hear ya.

Live490
Texas
Post #17
Monday September 26, 2016 11:07pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
Dont shy away from the other players stated or just mention LD. That's a stupid way to try and prove a point. Because others just have i have stated JKs lineup choices. Taking his pets. Being in charge since 2011 and just this summer playing players in the position they excel. Throwing players under the bus. Never taking blame or owning up to his shit. And LD regained his fitness and he was not playing bad at all. He was better than most of the people that went from MLS. His overweight logic is idiotic because unlike us, he is a world class athlete and again regained his form. Players mentioned it and if not you can go watch the ESPN special. Now i have mentioned other stuff about JK i dislike, but you will only read what you want and state what you like. His stupid roster decisions and inventions. Agreeing with him to take AJ who was injured over another player is idiotic. Giving 2 exhausting sessions per day made it worst. Not taking proper back up for altidore. And if you say wondo... You do not know about soccer. Just cause you think a mediocre argentine, who never cut it in spain was god and better than hugo sanchez and rafa marquez, doesnt make your points right. Or will you use messi and his hgh to cheat CR7 as the greatest ever? But even though i put all that, you will probably say something about fifa, lineups and Yerba mate. Even though personally i prefer PES over fifa, which dont even have the national team lol.

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Post #18
Tuesday September 27, 2016 12:33pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
I think we're piecesof this puzzle.

in 2013, he was part of the gold cup yes, but that was the one that didn't "count" or the one we "didn't" need to win, because regardless we would have to win two, or win the next one, or whatever... concacaf

what he did do tho, consistently was deny callups when he was needed. When the firestorm started,

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2014/03/17/12...

that game and then the games against Costa Rica at home, and the point in the Azteca.

So he leaves you hanging when you need a win, going into the hexagonal we were poor in form, and I'm not so sure he was in the lineup in Guatemala when things got hairy and we lost points.

He leaves you hanging at the start of the hexagonal. You lose a game, pick things up as best as you can, get 4 points when things looked bleak. Comes back plays int he easier of tournaments, then says that he can't go full strength, when you've already made the call that you need all hands on deck playing balls out and giving it their all? You don't have to punish him, but you can definitely make your assessment on whether or not you need him. We got results without him.

Wondo miss, yes I know, crazy. But Julian Green goal, Dempsey released as the primary attacking hub, which was introduced during the 2013 US MNT season, the time Donovan was taking off. I mean Donovan played himself off the roster.

Did Klinsmann have an ax to grind, hell yea, he went for stepping on him when he could, I mean Donovan literally did what he wanted because the reality was our success for so long was tied to his performances.

Sucks I wanted to see him ride out into the sunset in 2014.

dolcem
Post #19
Tuesday September 27, 2016 3:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from 2tone

But I love my FIFA lineups! Dolce M you hurt my feelings. I need a safe space, and you are mean. Lol. JK. I hear ya man, I hear ya.


I'm glad that the discourse here is shifting. A couple years back, it seemed like every single post was someone's FIFA lineup. I mean it's fun to talk about that stuff but to actually use it as grounds for criticizing the coach, or to take it really seriously, is just plain ridiculous. Now I see less of this type of behavior, which is really nice. I think people are slowly starting to get that no matter how much they talk about their lineups here, the manager won't listen, and so they're slowly running out of steam.

Original post from Live490

Dont shy away from the other players stated or just mention LD. That's a stupid way to try and prove a point. Because others just have i have stated JKs lineup choices. Taking his pets. Being in charge since 2011 and just this summer playing players in the position they excel. Throwing players under the bus. Never taking blame or owning up to his shit. And LD regained his fitness and he was not playing bad at all. He was better than most of the people that went from MLS. His overweight logic is idiotic because unlike us, he is a world class athlete and again regained his form. Players mentioned it and if not you can go watch the ESPN special. Now i have mentioned other stuff about JK i dislike, but you will only read what you want and state what you like. His stupid roster decisions and inventions. Agreeing with him to take AJ who was injured over another player is idiotic. Giving 2 exhausting sessions per day made it worst. Not taking proper back up for altidore. And if you say wondo... You do not know about soccer. Just cause you think a mediocre argentine, who never cut it in spain was god and better than hugo sanchez and rafa marquez, doesnt make your points right. Or will you use messi and his hgh to cheat CR7 as the greatest ever? But even though i put all that, you will probably say something about fifa, lineups and Yerba mate. Even though personally i prefer PES over fifa, which dont even have the national team lol.


This post is literally nonsense.

Throw players under the bus? WTF are you talking about? You mean not calling up Bocanegra? You're mad that he's starting to run the program like an elite national team, where as soon as you're not good enough, you get cut? You do realize that since then, Bocanegra has been a part of the NT setup as a coach, right? This shit is incredibly annoying. You're making arguments that you know hold zero weight just for the sake of saying something so that it appears there's a legitimate argument going on (just like another poster on here).

Sure, Donovan had a good season in the MLS after he lost his beer belly, but there's a difference between the international level and the MLS. He was also incredibly motivated to prove Klinsmann wrong. But again, all of this is Landon's fault. It's pretty simple. When it's time for the World Cup, you make sure you want it more than anyone else. You make sure you're in shape. Beasley had no problem with this, Beckerman had no problem with this, Jones had no problem with this, and Wondo had no problem with this. Those guys wanted it a lot more than Landon did, and that's why they got called up. But even without our best player, the team still had a fantastic world cup. All of this criticism is moot because clearly leaving Landon behind was the right decision. All 23 of our players wanted to be there and thanks to that grit and determination, we managed to get out of the group of death and almost beat Belgium. Yes, Wondo sucks, but he's the best American MLS striker of all-time and is a model professional. That was enough to secure him a place in the 23. Your argument that Landon "is a professional athlete" is ridiculous. Being a professional athlete does not exempt him from training. Anyone that thinks so doesn't know a lot about professional sports. Had Landon come, the locker room drama and the dip in motivation it would have caused the squad may have been the difference between us getting out of the group stage and staying home.

You can't criticize Klinsmann for Jozy getting injured. There's no way he could known that would happen. But again, if the only criticism you can come up with is "he should have known our starting striker would have gotten injured!" than you clearly have no argument. And for Christ's sake, even without the fulcrum of our attack we still got out of the group of death. Anyone that doesn't think that last cycle was fantastic doesn't know anything about soccer or is biased. Sure, results since then haven't been great, but we're in transition now, and thank God we don't act like Mexico and fire our coach every time we have a bad game.

Your post was pretty much unintelligible but if you think that Sanchez and Marquez were better than Diego Maradona than I don't know what else is proof that you and adms are Mexitrolls. No one outside of Mexico (and few Mexicans) would be dumb enough to think such a thing. And Messi is a cut above Ronaldo. Any intelligent soccer fan knows that.
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Know Nothing
Post #20
Tuesday September 27, 2016 4:35pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,686
To paraphrase Dolcem for those who do not want to read the entire rant:

LD in 2013-2014 = Alan Iverson

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #21
Tuesday September 27, 2016 5:54pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,408
Original post from dolcem

You can't criticize Klinsmann for Jozy getting injured. There's no way he could known that would happen. But again, if the only criticism you can come up with is "he should have known our starting striker would have gotten injured!" than you clearly have no argument. And for Christ's sake, even without the fulcrum of our attack we still got out of the group of death. Anyone that doesn't think that last cycle was fantastic doesn't know anything about soccer or is biased. Sure, results since then haven't been great, but we're in transition now, and thank God we don't act like Mexico and fire our coach every time we have a bad game.



I agree last cycle was fantastic. You can't criticize Klinnsman for Jozy getting injured, correct, and using the limited talent and depth we had to develop the team we saw in the WC was commendable - all things expected of a coach with a team of our caliber. But if the fulcrum of our attack is built around one person being healthy, why wouldn't you bring in someone that could at least fill that role? Boyd (Honestly can't remember if he was injured at that point) could have been called in his place, and if not Boyd, Donovan was easily the most versatile player in any position in front of the #6.

I'm over it at this point, but of all the good things Klinnsman did in the WC and leading up to it, my only criticism is the short-sightedness he exhibited in allowing a single position, which was simultaneously the "fulcrum of our attack", to go without a viable substitution or an alternative tactic.

What we achieved in 2014 was remarkable despite this, and kudos to the team for fighting hard through the adversity of the Altidore injury, but I strongly believe we could have done better had a Boyd or LD been there. It's all moot at this point, I guess, considering how post-facto it is.

Live490
Texas
Post #22
Tuesday September 27, 2016 6:00pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
Bubba Chuck was a beast! And dolce, bocanegra? How did you even think i was referring to him. He was on a decline lol. Never should been brought up. Player under the bus was Bedoya when he was played at CDM. You jump to conclusions or try and flip what someone says into something in your favor. That is like me taking everything you posted and saying, "Wondos goals vs the minnows got us into the World Cup.." makes no sense. The coke head maradona lol. Who knows how many times he was not caught playing under the substance. And i could go back and look for the post where i said we were getting out of the group of death before the cup started and CR7 got injured or other players were cut. Just like i said US was hiiting the semis before the copa america.

dolcem
Post #23
Wednesday September 28, 2016 7:15pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from Live490

Bubba Chuck was a beast! And dolce, bocanegra? How did you even think i was referring to him. He was on a decline lol. Never should been brought up. Player under the bus was Bedoya when he was played at CDM. You jump to conclusions or try and flip what someone says into something in your favor. That is like me taking everything you posted and saying, "Wondos goals vs the minnows got us into the World Cup.." makes no sense. The coke head maradona lol. Who knows how many times he was not caught playing under the substance. And i could go back and look for the post where i said we were getting out of the group of death before the cup started and CR7 got injured or other players were cut. Just like i said US was hiiting the semis before the copa america.


Klinsmann plays a player slightly out of position (Bedoya has extensive experience at CM) during one friendly so we should fire him...great argument man...

And imagine how good Maradona had been had he not done coke...but wtf are we even talking about that???

Portugal won the Euros essentially without Ronaldo (he was in horrible form for most of the tournament). The Germany '14 squad was arguably the best NT of all time (IMO second best, but that's irrelevant). Ghana is our papi and they're better than we are. It takes a special type of person to not be happy about our getting out of the group of death.
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dfw_fan
DfW
Post #24
Wednesday September 28, 2016 8:29pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from dolcem

Klinsmann plays a player slightly out of position (Bedoya has extensive experience at CM) during one friendly so we should fire him...great argument man...

And imagine how good Maradona had been had he not done coke...but wtf are we even talking about that???

Portugal won the Euros essentially without Ronaldo (he was in horrible form for most of the tournament). The Germany '14 squad was arguably the best NT of all time (IMO second best, but that's irrelevant). Ghana is our papi and they're better than we are. It takes a special type of person to not be happy about our getting out of the group of death.


Irrational, illogical, delusional FIFA game folks

Rey Regicide
Post #25
Thursday September 29, 2016 12:11pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Bedoya and Bradley, if I remember correctly were the midfielders during the Brazil game.

This is exactly like the Bradley no. 10 thing.

He was placed in midfield, how he played, or the way he plays is dictated to what's going on in his head.

If he plays scared off the man and just tries to pick passes then he's going to look useless, which is what he did.

At no time did he try to play himself out of tough situations with quick thinking, touches, or movements. and it's not because he can't do it.

Know Nothing
Post #26
Saturday October 19, 2019 5:53pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,686
Pulisic came off the bench in he 64th minute...alot more time on the pitch than I expected. Chelsea chat, a place not generally effusive with praise for CP, said he played well.

Matt Miazga scored the injury time winner for Reading today...and then got booked for excessive celebration.

Deandre Yedlin started and played 90 in the Newcastle 1-0 loss to Chelsea

Team Ream started and played 90 as Fulham lost to Stoke 2-0. CCV started and played 90 for Stoke.

Geoff Cameron started and played 90 for QPR as they won 3-2 over Hull City, Eric Lichaj played the full 90 for Hull.

Duane Holmes came on in the 60th minute as Derby County lost to Charlton 3-0

Samtom23
Post #27
Sunday October 20, 2019 2:55am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 108
I watched the game and mainly was looking at Mason Mount and Pulisic. They honestly, had comparable performances. I would give a slight nod to Pulisic because he drew three defenders. Then, he passes to Hudson-Odoi how tapped it to Alonso for the goal.

Hudson-Odoi really looks good. I don't expect Willan or Pedro to be there next year. So Pulisic will have his time. I don't think CP's club form is that bad. He is the assist leader for Chelsea in limited minutes. His shot on goal in the game today was just a really good save.

Know Nothing
Post #28
Sunday October 20, 2019 7:29am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,686
It's kind of funny...the shot to which you were referring it looks like CP is struggling to keep up with the play but ends up arriving at almost the right time for the rebound, stumbles and gets a scuff shot away.

But after that he seemed to be playing at everyone elses pace...should have had another assist had it not been for Yedlin blocking Abraham's shot.

But the assists are encouraging...it shows that he is not struggling mentally and is not trying too hard to score.

As for Mount, he started off fast last year at Derby as well then got injured and his form dipped. He is more of a midfielder than a winger but since Chelsea have Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, Barkley, and Ruben Loftus Cheek, he will see more time on the wing if the midfield is healthy (currently it is not).

Barkley will probably be gone next year if Chelsea manage to keep Kante from going to Real Madrid. lol, you could say that Real Madrid have finally learned their lesson from when they sold Makelele to Chelsea.

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