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Rey Regicide
Post #1
Tuesday September 20, 2016 12:11pm

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Are the starting Central Midfielders for Manchester City. Manchester City is having a decent amount of success. It's a little to say that they are proven. But I'm going to go on a limb and say that they will win the premier league, and in spite of benching better players like Aguero and Toure, habitually or consistently. Having players in the lineup who are functionally capable of giving Guardiola what he demands from his team.

Do you guys feel that this is mostly possible because they are

1. great players

2. they've been instructed to work in the midfield defensively as best as they can

If the case is you believe in 1 and 2, or just 2

Do you guys believe that we can play Nagbe, Nguyen, Feilhaber w/o playing with a MFs like Bedoya, Zusi, Jermaine who "work hard" in midfield accompanying the deep lying mid?

Mojofc
Post #2
Tuesday September 20, 2016 12:21pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Toure is being benched because Pep doesn't like played that take it east half the time. He's a lazy player even though he's an amazing talent. He always seems to show up at the 70' mark or later if the team is level or down a goal. I can always noticeably tell a difference when he decides to work harder. He just doesn't fit Peps 'philosophy' of a press.

Aguero was suspended 3 matches for an elbow, main reason why he isn't playing.

Not sure how much we can pull from a team like city. They play a style to which our players couldn't even attempt imo.

In a hurry otherwise I'd answer 1/2. Will try to get back to that later
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Post #3
Tuesday September 20, 2016 2:34pm

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Original post from Rey Regicide

Are the starting Central Midfielders for Manchester City. Manchester City is having a decent amount of success. It's a little to say that they are proven. But I'm going to go on a limb and say that they will win the premier league, and in spite of benching better players like Aguero and Toure, habitually or consistently. Having players in the lineup who are functionally capable of giving Guardiola what he demands from his team.

Do you guys feel that this is mostly possible because they are

1. great players

2. they've been instructed to work in the midfield defensively as best as they can

If the case is you believe in 1 and 2, or just 2

Do you guys believe that we can play Nagbe, Nguyen, Feilhaber w/o playing with a MFs like Bedoya, Zusi, Jermaine who "work hard" in midfield accompanying the deep lying mid?


I think it is more 2 than 1, though they are both great players. They are playing a high press looking for quick turnovers and quick counters.

As to you question regarding the USMNT, I would say yes if you can guarantee we do not give the ball away cheaply like we are want to do. Otherwise it is more pragmatic to play defensively and hope for the best but plan for the worst.

hamsamwich
Post #4
Wednesday September 21, 2016 12:29am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Don't they play Fernandinho too? And if we put our guys like Fabian Johnson and Pulisic central who would we play on the wing??? Jürgen has tried the 4-3-3 a lot, but the players revert to a 4-4-2 every time. Think of last years Copa for example. I just don't see USA succeeding with the technical system Man City play, at least not yet. Too loose with the ball because of lack of technical ability pretty much every time we attempt to play an open game against a good opponent.

Rey Regicide
Post #5
Wednesday September 21, 2016 12:35pm

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My point is that we inherently, because of what you just outlined, go into a defensive shell in the mind of our players and Coach then when that gets manifested out on the field is just a manifestation of that mentality.

That is what I'm trying to get at.

Also that we have very static definitions, due in part to FIFA, which I love btw, of positions, roles, responsibilities on the field. But we're not in charge of responsibilities on the field, or player selections. So we can play that game all day long and it costs noone anything.

Be honest, when you saw Silva, De Bryune as the CM's at Man City, which one of you thought, that's not going to work, Silva is a LWM or CAM, he's too "light" for CM. Same with DeBryune.

I think the majority of us want to play Toure in the CM over Silva, Debryune, credit to pep, i know he's a controversial figure outside of Spain because of haughtiness or at least the adulation he's received, but he's a scientist. He doesn't even care about implementation, he's willing to sacrifice functionality to test out and prove out concepts that he believes in.

this is to JK too, obviously he's not going to read this.. or who knows, maybe blaise has his contact info

but if you want to play a certain style, you're going to have to bring those guys in, overall ratings be damned, yes they might be worse, but they at least are going to try to exert themselves in the game the way you wanted.

like there was actual debate between zardes and pulisic right? the thing was that zardes was better overall because of workrate hustle (which wasn't true, pulisic has more than him in those departments too). its going to take a leap of faith (it's not really that, it's more trusting your players who have varied skill set in your player pool)

i would like to end this by, call klesjtan over bedoya, lol in the vein of "Carthago delenda est"

hamsamwich
Post #6
Wednesday September 21, 2016 1:30pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
I remember games with Mix, Bedoya, and Danny Williams at CDM; Brek Shea and Beasley as LBs, the list goes on... So I think he's tried versions of this before, but it doesn't work with our players. And if Jürgen can't get our players out of the comfort zones I'm just not sure who can (he's blasted players in media, dropped fat legends, played people repeatedly "out of position"- tho you say Pep is a genius for doing just that).

In my opinion, you just can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. And a lot of you try with our player pool to do just that. A magical "system", or those fringe dual nationals like Saief and Toljan, or hoping Sasha K (another old guy) can take us to a new level- those are ridiculous. Adms is right for once.. Unless we get a whole team of true stars like Pulisic we just won't do anything of consequence at a real competition.

Rey Regicide
Post #7
Wednesday September 21, 2016 3:38pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from hamsamwich

I remember games with Mix, Bedoya, and Danny Williams at CDM; Brek Shea and Beasley as LBs, the list goes on... So I think he's tried versions of this before, but it doesn't work with our players. And if Jürgen can't get our players out of the comfort zones I'm just not sure who can (he's blasted players in media, dropped fat legends, played people repeatedly "out of position"- tho you say Pep is a genius for doing just that).

In my opinion, you just can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. And a lot of you try with our player pool to do just that. A magical "system", or those fringe dual nationals like Saief and Toljan, or hoping Sasha K (another old guy) can take us to a new level- those are ridiculous. Adms is right for once.. Unless we get a whole team of true stars like Pulisic we just won't do anything of consequence at a real competition.


I don't know if there's a certain sentiment against me personally, but I've been ambivalent about JK. I thought I've made that clear.

Ambi valens, power/support in both directions

I think he's done great, had some of the best results as a NMT manager. Pretty sure I stated that in my little thought experiment, asking who's accomplished the most.

The perplexing thing is the refusal for an honest assessment.

We're not talking about International world beaters. We're not talking about making the US, Spain.

I am talking about chicken shit salad as you put it. But that's my point, we're getting chicken shit meat loaf. Or worse yet, cow shit meat loaf. To make a salad you need greens. And chickens... raises eyebrows


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