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Dave
Post #1
Saturday September 17, 2016 7:18pm

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As more and more players begin to emerge it is difficult to keep track of what options we potentially have and what their strengths & weaknesses are. In an attempt to build off 2tone's depth chart topic I wanted to take a closer look at what our winger (wide midfield & wide forward) options are. Please add any players I may have missed or add to the discussion of their strengths & weaknesses.

F. Johnson is probably our best all around wide player. He has the speed and technical ability to play on either wing. Fortunately or Unfortunately he is also our best wide defender. Considering out wide defender pool is shallower than that at wide midfield or forward has pushed him into the defense.
Bedoya has quickness, grit, and a good motor. He has decent technical & tactical ability. He's been less than spectacular in recent matches but has an experience & chemistry advantage over most of the players on this list.
Zusi has similar skills to Bedoya with a little less pace. Probably the most at risk veteran as the young players push forward.
Zardes has the speed, size, grit & motor that has helped make him a favorite of JKs. Makes good runs off the ball & is a better than average finisher, however, he lacks some of the technical ability (1st touch) that we fans and I'm sure JK would like to see from a US international.
Pulisic has quickness, great technical & tactical ability, ice water in his veins, & makes those around him better. His versatility to play anywhere in the attack makes him a very useful addition to the squad. Probably the most complete option, but still a bit of a concern against physical teams.
Gooch does have a quick first step to achieve separation to go with his his grit & high end motor. Another good technical & tactical player who's versatility to play anywhere in the attack puts him in rare company for a US player.
Arriola has good speed and has a knack of finding the open spaces. Always willing to take an opponent 1 Vs 1, but also tactical enough to find his teammates in dangerous areas. Needs more minutes with his club to raise his standing beyond Sub appearances with the US national team.
Kiesewetter has a long stride which eats up distance in a way similar to Zardes but has a much better 1st touch. Has the size & strength that can be an advantage against some of our usual competitors. Needs to become more consistent at the club level to really become an option.
Lleget, while not in the same league does have quickness and the ability to work in tight spaces. More of a possession oriented player than a speed player. Another versatile player who can fill in across the midfield. Yet to be seen if he can perform at the Sr. International level.
Finlay is more of a pure speed option. Good crosser of the ball and a good finisher, but needs to add other aspects to his game and return to a 90 minute man for his club.
Gyau has speed & quickness with good technical ability. Will need to prove that he can stay healthy and get games in order to get back into the discussion. Another player like Pulisic who is a bit of a worry against physical sides.
Gatt is another pure speed option who'll need to prove that he can stay healthy. Decent at crossing, but will also need to work on developing some other skills beyond his speed.
Menneh has the speed and technical ability to be an excellent international player. The question will be if he can defend at the international level.

bjelks
Post #2
Saturday September 17, 2016 7:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Anything to keep mediocre bedoya and zusi off the field
goalsense
blaise213
Post #3
Saturday September 17, 2016 7:29pm

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Majority of the people on that list have regressed!

I still can't fathom how Bedoya and Zusi are even on the roster!

My winger list:

Fabian Johnson
Julian Green
Pulisic
Gboly Ariyibi
Menneh
Agudelo
Zardes
Kenny Saief

Dave
Post #4
Saturday September 17, 2016 8:06pm

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from blaise213

Majority of the people on that list have regressed!

I still can't fathom how Bedoya and Zusi are even on the roster!

My winger list:

Fabian Johnson
Julian Green
Pulisic
Gboly Ariyibi
Menneh
Agudelo
Zardes
Kenny Saief


@blaise213 - half of your list were covered in the original topic. While Green & Agudelo are able to play on the wing I personally think that they're more suited as central forwards. Agudelo if he can stay consistent I could see him getting a January call-up, but he'll need to perform to remain in the conversation. Green will need to begin to see 1st team minutes with Bayern or someone to really be considered.
I discussed Ariyibi with you previously on a different thread. Until he moves above the 3rd tier of English football he can't realistically be considered for the Sr. National Team. Youth teams sure....but he needs to raise his competition level before he can be honestly compared to the others identified.
As for Saief until such time as he's called up by the US or Submits his 1 time switch with FIFA he's not an option for the USMNT. He's a product of Israel and remains part of their player pool until something changes.

tylercocinas
Post #5
Saturday September 17, 2016 8:25pm

Joined Aug 2012
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I think Ariyibi will come into the picture after the WC. He's heading for the 2nd division sooner rather than later (should've been there this season) but I don't think it will be ample time to merit a look this cycle

Jzaval01
Post #6
Sunday September 18, 2016 5:01am

Joined May 2013
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Arriyibi should be in 2nd division had a team put in like a few offers for him and Arriyibi's team rejected them all...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #7
Sunday September 18, 2016 10:08pm

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Even now I would take a player who just came out of retirement over Bedoya to be honest.

hamsamwich
Post #8
Monday September 19, 2016 12:52am

Joined Oct 2013
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Bedoya should be played in the middle, he's just not a winger at international level but is a good player in the middle of the field.

Know Nothing
Post #9
Monday September 19, 2016 2:02am

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One option is to switch formations to a 3-4-1-2 and use wingbacks since DY and FJ seem to be the best options there and we have some depth at CB.

(keeper)
Cameron, Brooks, Besler/Birnbaum/whoever
DY, CM, MB, FJ
Pulisic (in a free role)
Wood, Jozy/Iceman

MSantoine
Post #10
Monday September 19, 2016 11:46am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Jzaval01

Arriyibi should be in 2nd division had a team put in like a few offers for him and Arriyibi's team rejected them all...


Just because a 2nd division team made him an offer doesnt mean he would have walked in their and succeeded. In Europe their are buyout clauses, meaning if the 2nd division team really wanted him they could have paid enough to get him. For all we know he was being looked at as squad depth, playing token minutes but no serious run. If he's playing well in 3rd division, or riding the pine in 2nd division it doesnt really change the facts of him not being anywhere near the senior team. He needs to play good enough where he's brought in next summer to be a starter on a team. Then he can talk about being an option for US

Dave
Post #11
Monday September 19, 2016 5:54pm

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from Know Nothing

One option is to switch formations to a 3-4-1-2 and use wingbacks since DY and FJ seem to be the best options there and we have some depth at CB.

(keeper)
Cameron, Brooks, Besler/Birnbaum/whoever
DY, CM, MB, FJ
Pulisic (in a free role)
Wood, Jozy/Iceman


If we go with a 3 man back-line I'd strongly suggest that Cameron play the central position with Brooks to the left and Birnbaum/whomever to the right; at least for now.
Cameron is currently better suited to organize and direct the others.

tylercocinas
Post #12
Monday September 19, 2016 7:57pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from MSantoine

Just because a 2nd division team made him an offer doesnt mean he would have walked in their and succeeded. In Europe their are buyout clauses, meaning if the 2nd division team really wanted him they could have paid enough to get him. For all we know he was being looked at as squad depth, playing token minutes but no serious run. If he's playing well in 3rd division, or riding the pine in 2nd division it doesnt really change the facts of him not being anywhere near the senior team. He needs to play good enough where he's brought in next summer to be a starter on a team. Then he can talk about being an option for US


Not every contract in Europe has a buyout clause, and they are not truly enforceable either. Think of it more like the minimum offer that it would take for the club to consider beginning to negotiate. Secondly, you can't prove you belong at the highest level if you don't get a chance to continue moving up the ladder. I'm not saying he is anywhere near the national team, only that if he did well in the second division that would be a positive step toward getting a look with the national team, as was the case with Bobby Wood.

Dave
Post #13
Tuesday September 20, 2016 6:40am

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from tylercocinas

I think Ariyibi will come into the picture after the WC. He's heading for the 2nd division sooner rather than later (should've been there this season) but I don't think it will be ample time to merit a look this cycle


Even when Airybi makes it to the Championship he'll have to really shine if he wants to make the cut with the USMNT. Pulisic & Gooch are both in the same age bracket as him, but are already playing in the top flight in Germany & England. They're significantly ahead of him at this point.
While a bit older players like Zardes, Arriola, Lleget, Kiesewetter & Nagbe are seeing minutes in leagues which are superior to the one Airybi is currently in. If he wants to make the squad he'll need to knock off at least 4 of these players to make the team.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #14
Tuesday September 20, 2016 1:45pm

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I opened this thread hoping to see a Blaise sighting with a Saief mention. Didn't fail! YES!
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