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Know Nothing
Post #1
Friday September 9, 2016 3:29pm

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First off, well done Sacha. You made good on your opportunity.

What does this mean going forward? Not much IMO.

Sacha has not been a Klinsman player. It was only through desperation that he got this call up. IMO if Hyndmann had not gotten injured I think he might have gotten the call.

Age is not in Sacha's favor either as there are younger alternatives, which this thread is trying to identify.

So moving forward should Sacha get more opportunities or are we better off giving a younger, potentially better player the opportunity?

Rey Regicide
Post #2
Friday September 9, 2016 3:51pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Are those younger potentially better players better now? or playing now?

I'm crazier than you guys, I would play kids on the US MNT over professionals if they're at clubs like Bayern or borussia.. hopefully to motivate their respective coaches to give them first team minutes...I would totally do that.

But are those kids playing NOW?

If not, then who's best suited to play the areas that we need in order to be functional? Like the way were against TNT the other night. The same team in 2015 we struggled to not get shelled by and got a point from. Lot's of newspaper articles saying we need to play differently.

We played differently. Alot of offense, good stationing in front of the TNT penalty area.

We all agree on Pulisic, but with Sasha it's heretic? Come on, we test things out, we use opportunities to see what's working and what's not been working.

Sasha's performance does NOT PROVE that he is our automatic starter.

It DISPROVES that he's an incompetent midfielder for the USMNT or that he has NOTHING to offer.

Not sure about a performance against Mexico? Maybe we should have called him in when we had the luxury of a nonconcacaf tournament and test him out against Colombia/Paraguay/Argentina...Cause right now, the only way to test this theory out, is to literally play him against Mexico.

Luis Gil would be awesome, how's he doing?

Hyndman would be awesome, I know he's got mad skills. He's not getting first team minutes, YET.

Nagbe I feel has settled in professionally as the guy next to a CDM or the guy who's in the middle of a 4 3 3, not the CDM but not your most advanced guy. Klesjtan and Nagbe CAN play together.

cudevil
Post #3
Friday September 9, 2016 4:40pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 989
No one has ever said Sacha was incompetent-that's a straw man. The issue was always that he never performed at a high level against good teams. His claims to fame are a hat trick against a poor Swedish side and the last 2 qualifiers. He played his way back into consideration, but that's about it right now.

TheTruth
Post #4
Friday September 9, 2016 5:06pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Guys, the case for Sacha is that he's had a very good year in MLS. I will never understand why most of the people on here want to always piss their pants about 1 or 2 data points.

MSantoine
Post #5
Friday September 9, 2016 5:07pm

Joined Nov 2012
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There are so many potential options.

With Fab at LW if Green starts getting minutes you could go to a 4-3-3 with Green and Fab on the wings and CP in the CAM role.

Gooch can play in a multiple of positions. If he keeps being a 90' starter for Sunderland then he'll get a look sooner than later.

Guys like Stanko, Morales, DWill, Kitchen, could all enter the fold making Bradley have more offensive responsibility in the 4-4-2.

Again in a 4-3-3 if Morris, Rubin, Dempsey, Aron make full recoveries/keep developing then you have guys who can play underneath the striker in a 4-3-3 (Morris, Rubin, Dempsey) and again push CP into the central role. I think ultimately we have a couple of options for our attacking 6.

Jozy-Wood (or Morris, Rubin, Green, Dempsey)
Fab-CAM-CP
Bradley

Jozy-Wood(other fwds)
Fab-MB-CP
CDM

Fab-Jozy-Wood (or Green, Morris, Zardes)
CP
MB-CM

Fab-Jozy-Wood (or wingers)
Dempsey (Rubin, Morris)
MB-CP

Any of Nagbe, Sacha, Green, Stanko, Hyndman, Gooch, Rubin, Bedoya could step in and we just evolve our formation into that players strengths. Also a lot is dependent on finding a LB to push Fab up. If Fab is at LB then there is another spot for a wide midfielder/wide forward

MSantoine
Post #6
Friday September 9, 2016 5:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from TheTruth

Guys, the case for Sacha is that he's had a very good year in MLS. I will never understand why most of the people on here want to always piss their pants about 1 or 2 data points.


Wondo always has good years in MLS. Mike McGee had some good years.

Know Nothing
Post #7
Friday September 9, 2016 5:34pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,702
Original post from MSantoine

Wondo always has good years in MLS. Mike McGee had some good years.


You could say the same for Jason Kreis. He had some great years in MLS but it never seemed to carry over when he was called.

Know Nothing
Post #8
Friday September 9, 2016 5:43pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,702
Original post from Rey Regicide

Are those younger potentially better players better now? or playing now?

I'm crazier than you guys, I would play kids on the US MNT over professionals if they're at clubs like Bayern or borussia.. hopefully to motivate their respective coaches to give them first team minutes...I would totally do that.

But are those kids playing NOW?

If not, then who's best suited to play the areas that we need in order to be functional? Like the way were against TNT the other night. The same team in 2015 we struggled to not get shelled by and got a point from. Lot's of newspaper articles saying we need to play differently.

We played differently. Alot of offense, good stationing in front of the TNT penalty area.

We all agree on Pulisic, but with Sasha it's heretic? Come on, we test things out, we use opportunities to see what's working and what's not been working.

Sasha's performance does NOT PROVE that he is our automatic starter.

It DISPROVES that he's an incompetent midfielder for the USMNT or that he has NOTHING to offer.

Not sure about a performance against Mexico? Maybe we should have called him in when we had the luxury of a nonconcacaf tournament and test him out against Colombia/Paraguay/Argentina...Cause right now, the only way to test this theory out, is to literally play him against Mexico.

Luis Gil would be awesome, how's he doing?

Hyndman would be awesome, I know he's got mad skills. He's not getting first team minutes, YET.

Nagbe I feel has settled in professionally as the guy next to a CDM or the guy who's in the middle of a 4 3 3, not the CDM but not your most advanced guy. Klesjtan and Nagbe CAN play together.


One thing to consider from the last two matches...Sacha was on the pitch the same time with our most dynamic player...Christian Pulisic.

dolcem
Post #9
Friday September 9, 2016 6:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
I can't believe the amount of hype around Kljestan right now. He had two good games against Caribbean minnows and everyone is going nuts. We've seen this guy many times before. He's 31 and has played many times over the years for the NT and aside from these two games and that time against Sweden's B team, he has always been mediocre at best.

I don't want to knock on him, I think he's one of the better players the MLS has produced, and I think he's talented enough to be a USNT B-teamer. But I don't think that having a couple really good MLS seasons on the wrong side of 30 has transformed him into a player that can play at the highest level.

And as MSantoine pointed out, success in MLS does not necessarily translate to the international level. Wondo is great in the MLS every year and we all know how good he is. Perhaps more importantly, look at Bradley Wright-Phillips. He has been phenomenal for the Red Bulls the past couple seasons and he was nowhere near a top-flight footballer in England.

The Red Bulls have the exact right group of players together and that's why they've been so good as a team. They complement each other perfectly, just as McCarty is the perfect foil to Kljestan.

Diskerud, on the other hand (I bring him up because someone else resurrected that godawful other thread), went to an expansion team with both Pirlo and Lampard in the midfield. That was never going to work well.

Anyway, Kljestan is a #8, just like Bradley, Akale, Hyndman, and Gooch (and Jones), so I don't see much place for him on the NT.
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Rey Regicide
Post #10
Friday September 9, 2016 6:10pm

Joined Sep 2013
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So, no callups for Sasha in November against Mexico?

Know Nothing
Post #11
Friday September 9, 2016 7:09pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,702
Original post from Rey Regicide

So, no callups for Sasha in November against Mexico?


Who knows what JK is thinking now. I will say because of recent performances he deserves a callup more than Bedoya does. However Bedoya has filled a few different roles for the USMNT while Sacha only has the one, plus he is a JK fav.

Dave
Post #12
Friday September 9, 2016 7:39pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,006
While Kljestan did impress during the last 2 qualifiers we have to remember the level of competition that we faced. St. Vincent is basically a semi-pro team, and T&T had already qualified for the Hex (no pressure on them). I would have expected the same type of results if any number of players (Nagbe, Hyndman, Gooch, Zelalem) were given the opportunity against these 2 teams.
Do I think Kljestan done enough to warrant future call-ups, Yes. I expect him be involved in the October friendlies against Cuba & New Zealand, and unless something drastic happens I'd expect him to be called in for the November Qualifiers. I just don't think that he'll be a starter for the matches in November if others are back to full health (Jones & Dempsey).
I also believe that Gooch is a likely call-up for the October friendlies, and if he shows well enough I could see him slotted in at the tip of the diamond in place of Kljestan. He's shown in the EPL that he can be creative while also having grit on the defensive side of the ball. Gooch is playing at a higher level than Kljestan and is a younger & quicker player. The only area that Kljestan is ahead of Gooch would be experience.

JK has voiced many times his desire to play at an accelerated pace. Hustling to close down the opponent to force turn-overs than attacking at speed. This is not something that Kljestan is known for. Sacha is more of a floater who hangs out between the lines hoping to pickup scraps. This works against week opponents, but when we face higher competition I don't see him having the same kind of impact.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #13
Friday September 9, 2016 7:55pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,518
We need to find his level with the nats....call him in everytime until we can determine his ceiling against quality comp...Mexico would be a great test.

imo, it will come down to this... is he is quick enough to get separation from quality defenders to play his game. He's moving the ball pretty damn fast...very proactive...minimal extra touches. He has a legit chance to stick for this cycle if given the opportunity.

The thing that kills it for SK, or any other option, is JK will keep Jones around til hell freezes over...so we get to see that streaky, undisciplined, disjointed, all or none mess bogging things down...very frustrating... we should be transitioning away from Deuce and Jones.

Dave
Post #14
Friday September 9, 2016 8:22pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,006
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

We need to find his level with the nats....call him in everytime until we can determine his ceiling against quality comp...Mexico would be a great test.

imo, it will come down to this... is he is quick enough to get separation from quality defenders to play his game. He's moving the ball pretty damn fast...very proactive...minimal extra touches. He has a legit chance to stick for this cycle if given the opportunity.

The thing that kills it for SK, or any other option, is JK will keep Jones around til hell freezes over...so we get to see that streaky, undisciplined, disjointed, all or none mess bogging things down...very frustrating... we should be transitioning away from Deuce and Jones.


In November we face our 2 greatest competitors (Mexico @ home, Costa Rica away). If we take 4 pts away from the first 2 matches we'll be well on our way to qualification and can experiment more with the younger players. Once these 2 matches are behind us I truly believe we'll see a shift away from Jones, Dempsey, and possibly Bedoya as we won't face a really stiff test again until June when we face Mexico away. The older vets will likely still be with the team, but IMO there are others who are beginning to emerge that will push them into Backup roles when the Hex restarts in 2017. Players like Nagbe, Pulisic, Hyndman, Gooch, Green, Morris, etc... who will be equal to the task of facing off against T&T, Honduras, & Panama. The experience gained in these matches will hopefully prepare them for the Away match against Mexico & the home match against Costa Rica. The shift is coming...but the Old guard still has it's place against our top competition, at least for now.

TheTruth
Post #15
Saturday September 10, 2016 1:36am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Original post from MSantoine

Wondo always has good years in MLS. Mike McGee had some good years.


Not sure what your point is, but I'm guessing that I don't disagree w/ your implication. I'm not saying Sacha's in our 23 or not. I'm just saying:
a. His performance vs. SVG means nothing. And anyone who thinks otherwise is a tard.
b. His performance vs. T&T means very little. Yes, OK, a tiny positive.
c. His performance in the last 25 games in MLS mean, what, 80%? With the other 20 coming from prior years.

I haven't seen him at all this year in MLS. I've heard he's been very good - confirmed IMO, by JK calling him up after an 18 month gap. Not much of a mystery here.

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