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2tone
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Post #1
Thursday September 8, 2016 6:00am

Joined Jul 2012
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I haven't done one of these in a long time, but here is my crack at the ever changing USMNT depth chart leading to the 2018 WC:

GK:
1. Guzan
1b. Howard
2. Horvath
3. Hamid
4. Yarbrough

Pretty cut and dry at GK

RB:
1. Yedlin
2. Chandler
3. Cameron
4. Rosenberry( I think he has a chance to push Chandler out in another year)

LB:
1. Fabian
2. Acosta
3. Lichaj
4. Castillo
5. Vincent(talented kid. Would like to see him called up for the January camp)

RCB:
1. Cameron
2. Birnbaum
3. Gonzo
4. Miazga
5. Zimmerman

LCB:
1. Brooks
2. Besler
3. Birnbaum
4. CCV

CB is deep and strong. RB and LB remain thin.

DM:
1. Bradley
2. Jones
3. Kitchen
4. Stanko
5. Williams
6. Morales

CM:
1. Jones
2. Kljestan
3. Bedoya
4. Nagbe
5. Hyndman
6. Zelalem

RAM:
1. Bedoya
2. Zusi
3. Arriola
4. Nagbe
5. Picault
6. Gyau
7. Wright( can play both wide positions as well as a striker. Could break into Schalkes first team this season).

LAM:
1. Pulisic
2. Fabian
3. Green
4. Gooch(could be a CM as well)
5. Shea
6. Gatt
7. Akale( going out on a limb here, but he may just break into Villarreals first team in the next couple years)

FWDS:
1. Altidore
2. Dempsey( if he decides to keep playing internationally after this recent heart scare)
3. Wood
4. Morris
5. Rubin
6. ArJo
7. Green
8. Boyd
9. Agudelo( still has talent)
10: Gaines( recently played in a friendly at striker for Wolfsburg first team)

This is my depth chart right now. Should be interesting to see how things unfold in the next few years for some of these players, especially the young guys.

MSantoine
Post #2
Thursday September 8, 2016 11:36am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Nice list. You forgot some Jurgen staples (Orozco, Ream, Corona) and Id argue over some of the bottom of the lists (if I bet money Id say EPB when healthy gets a look over Zimmerman for example).

Definitely lots of guys who could quickly climb the depth chart as well (Lennon, Scott, Payne) and some young MX guys who could break into the picture some time soon (Saucedo, Requjo, Arce, etc).

Jurgen is at the top of the iceberg of transitioning the team. The 2018-22 cycle will be the hard job as we should have multiple options at each position and will be hopefully debating should the US be starting this guy who starts for mid table bundesliga team or this guy who starts for mid table EPL team as opposed to debating starting a guy who plays in MX vs a guy who plays in Championship

USAGunner
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Post #3
Thursday September 8, 2016 2:38pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Orozco, and Zardes should be on this list. Zardes is a regular first choice guy when healthy.
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Post #4
Thursday September 8, 2016 2:53pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,018
Good list. No Mix for obvious reasons. Gatt shouldn't be on the depth chart until he can stay healthy for at least a season.

cudevil
Post #5
Thursday September 8, 2016 6:20pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 989
Besler should be on the list at LB (probably 3rd). Cam is probably second choice at RB.

Dave
Post #6
Thursday September 8, 2016 7:33pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,003
2Tone - Creating a depth chart is a very subjective activity where personal bias will nearly always leak into ones selections. Overall I think your list is fairly accurate, but there are some names and/or rankings that should be included....
GK: 1) Guzan, 1b) Howard 3) Horvath, 4) Hamid, 5) Bingham, 6) Yarbrough
RB: 1) Yedlin, 2) Fabian, 3) Chandler, 4) Cameron, 5) Rosenberry
LB: 1) Fabian, 2) Acosta, 3) Villafana, 4) Orozco 5) Lichaj, 6) Vincent,
RCB: 1) Cameron, 2) Birnbaum, 3) Gonzalez, 4) Miazga, 5) Alvarado
LCB: 1) Brooks, 2) Besler, 3) CCV, 4) Alvarado, 5) EPB
DM: 1) Bradley, 2) Kitchen, 3) Williams, 4) Morales, 5) Stanko, 6) Canouse, 7) Arce
CM: 1) Jones, 2) Nagbe, 3) Kljestan, 4) Bedoya, 5) Pulisic, 6) Gooch, 7) De La Torre
RM: 1) Bedoya, 2) Zardes, 3) Zusi, 4) Arriola, 5) Hyndman 6) Gooch, 7) Kiesewetter
LM: 1) Fabian, 2) Pulisic, 3) Green, 4) Zelalem 5) Gooch, 6) Gyau, 7) Menneh,
FWDS: 1) Jozy, 2) Wood, 3) Dempsey, 4) Morris, 5) Rubin, 6) ArJo, 7) Boyd,
8) Green, 9) Gooch, 10) Wright, 11) Perez, 12) Gaines

As much as I dislike certain players like Orozco, Wondo, Beckerman, and a number of other players who are IMO beyond contributing to the advancement of the USMNT there is no doubt that JK and his staff tend to rely on veterans more than they should. The good news is that we have a number of good players beginning to emerge.
The big barrier for the young players like Hyndman, Zelalem, Gooch, CCV, EPB, and the rest is a question of gaining enough game experience to force out the older players. Over the next 18 month I fully expect many of the younger players to unseat players like Jones, Zusi, Bedoya, Dempsey, and others. It may be due to an injury to an older player....or the young player really breaks out.

Know Nothing
Post #7
Thursday September 8, 2016 8:03pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,702
I agree with 2Tones list but in lieu of recent events I feel obliged to make an addition:

GK:
1. Guzan
1b. Howard
2. Horvath
3. Hamid
4. Yarbrough

Pretty cut and dry at GK

RB:
1. Yedlin
2. Chandler
3. Cameron
4. Rosenberry( I think he has a chance to push Chandler out in another year)

LB:
1. Fabian
2. Acosta
3. Lichaj
4. Castillo
5. Vincent(talented kid. Would like to see him called up for the January camp)

RCB:
1. Cameron
2. Birnbaum
3. Gonzo
4. Miazga
5. Zimmerman

LCB:
1. Brooks
2. Besler
3. Birnbaum
4. CCV

CB is deep and strong. RB and LB remain thin.

DM:
1. Bradley
2. Jones
3. Kitchen
4. Stanko
5. Williams
6. Morales

CM:
1. Jones
2. Kljestan
3. Bedoya
4. Nagbe
5. Hyndman
6. Zelalem

RAM:
1. Bedoya
2. Zusi
3. Arriola
4. Nagbe
5. Picault
6. Gyau
7. Wright( can play both wide positions as well as a striker. Could break into Schalkes first team this season).

LAM:
1. Pulisic
2. Fabian
3. Green
4. Gooch(could be a CM as well)
5. Shea
6. Gatt
7. Akale( going out on a limb here, but he may just break into Villarreals first team in the next couple years)

FWDS:
1. Altidore
2. Dempsey( if he decides to keep playing internationally after this recent heart scare)
3. Wood
4. Morris
5. Rubin
6. ArJo
7. Green
8. Boyd
9. Agudelo( still has talent)
10: Gaines( recently played in a friendly at striker for Wolfsburg first team)
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19: Landon Donovan

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #8
Friday September 9, 2016 4:01am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,452
Haha. I knew someone would add Donovan. But some good stuff you guys.

Dave
Post #9
Friday September 16, 2016 11:03pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,003
@2tone - I think you have an extremely comprehensive listing here. A couple comments/observations to consider....
Castillo - Was suppose to be the backup LB during the Copa, yet both Besler & Orozco were used instead of him. Add in a his recent knee injury and I believe he's fallen fairly far down the pecking order. IMO he should be done as a candidate. Villafana should be considered for his slot at LB.
Picault - I'm not a huge fan of this player. I'd prefer Kiesewetter who is of similar skill/ability but is a younger option.
Zusi & Bedoya - I believe they are losing ground quickly to many of the younger generation. IMO their performances of late just haven't been good enough and as players like Gooch, Pulisic, Arriola, Lleget, Finlay & Zaredes (yes I know many dislike him) make strides with their club teams the experience gap is closing quickly. In particular with Gooch & Lleget's versatility (LAM, CM, & RAM) make them very attractive players to have on a squad.
The Center Back options are even deeper than you've listed. Players like EPB & Alvarado are two additional players I believe we'll hear from over the next 2 yrs. Both have the skills but lack the in game experience. Don't be surprised if/when these guys get back to playing minutes that they'll be back in the discussion.

Ultimately there are a number of positions/players who are under pressure as more and more options begin emerging within the player pool. A lot will depend on who takes advantage of the opportunities they are given. With the October friendlies and the January Camp Cup Cake on the horizon hopefully a number of these options are given a chance. Looking forward to seeing how things play out over the next couple years.

goods
Post #10
Saturday September 17, 2016 12:50am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 563
I think in that group there should be concern with Brooks and these continued muscle issues. I know he is questionable against Shalke this weekend. This is far from the first time, I am far from writing him off, but JK needs to have his 2nd tier lcb option waiting in the wings. He could be a guy that may need extra time to recopurate from long distance travel, and not worth the risk for western hemisphere games unless it is Costa Rica or Mexico. Once again not saying he is the next missing injured player but we need to be ready for the possibility based on his history.

Dave
Post #11
Saturday September 17, 2016 1:40am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,003
Original post from goods

I think in that group there should be concern with Brooks and these continued muscle issues. I know he is questionable against Shalke this weekend. This is far from the first time, I am far from writing him off, but JK needs to have his 2nd tier lcb option waiting in the wings. He could be a guy that may need extra time to recopurate from long distance travel, and not worth the risk for western hemisphere games unless it is Costa Rica or Mexico. Once again not saying he is the next missing injured player but we need to be ready for the possibility based on his history.


I don't think there is much worry about Brooks at this time. We don't really need him until the November qualifiers, which gives him 6+ weeks to resolve the issue and get back into form for his club. The opposition in October is weak enough that if Besler, the clear #2 LCB isn't available, we could easily use Alvarado or CCV as options to give them game-time.
While it would be nice to continue to develop the chemistry between Brooks & Cameron it is more important at this point in time that Brooks gets fully healthy ahead of the more important matches.

admsghs27
Post #12
Saturday September 17, 2016 1:45am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
There's a good chance CCV gets the start on Sunday or at least playing time. So he can be an option as a back up CB at the moment.


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