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kernn63
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Wednesday September 7, 2016 7:37pm

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It seems like we have more guys experiencing early professional success and maybe we have someone special in Pulisic, but is there any way to measure that?

If so, is it collectively a group that can make us an elite soccer nation?

Or is the answer more nuanced (that we need better tactical players?)

andylui8
Post #2
Wednesday September 7, 2016 8:40pm

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don't we say this every year? lol I will wait until we get some results

kernn63
Post #3
Wednesday September 7, 2016 8:58pm

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Original post from andylui8

don't we say this every year? lol I will wait until we get some results


And don't believe I won't recycle the question when Ben Lederman makes his professional debut!

Know Nothing
Post #4
Wednesday September 7, 2016 9:30pm

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As a group, yes a little more talented. Sadly, a number of them will plateau at their current level.

Perhaps we should compile a list and then revisit where they are 5 years from now. We can make it a friendly competition...guess the number of caps (for the USMNT) they will have after 5 years.

TheTruth
Post #5
Thursday September 8, 2016 12:19am

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Then multiply that guess by 25% and that will probably be close to reality.

Anyway, the answer is, yes, of course. But the question is dumb. Maybe you meant, are they the "best?" Answer: No. The team w/ Altidore, Bradley, Adu, Feilhaber, etc. we're great. Eliminated by a team they were better then (Austria). The last bunch that got the shit kicked out of themselves in France we're very good individually. Fun to watch.

And I'll assume you're not including Pulisic because he ain't going anywhere near the U-20s.

MSantoine
Post #6
Thursday September 8, 2016 11:29am

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I tihnk its clear that this crop of U20s is better than last cycle and one quick way to realize that is when you look back and see that three of the contibutors to last cycle's team (Zelalem, CCV, EPB) are eligible for this cycle. Yes we had some talent but you hardly see more than a token 17/18 yr old on the bench, never mind 3 guys getting starts. Also you look at guys like Scott, Akele, Wright, Pulisic, CCV, Gaines, GZ and we have more guys eligible for the U20 world cup that are playing/part of big 4 euro leagues, last cycle it was mostly MLS guys. I think you can easily see the growth if yo look at it big picture wise.

2009- 3 in europe, 11 in college, 7 mls
2013- 3 in europe, 4 in college (2 were backup goalies), 10 in MLS
2015- 7 in europe, 2 in college (backup goalies) , 7 in MLS
2017- 14 potential guys in europe.

You can see we went from a college/MLS mix, to a low level europe, mls mix, and look to be going to a mostly european team

TheTruth
Post #7
Thursday September 8, 2016 1:28pm

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But one day we'll be back to more of our guys coming from MLS and that will be a good thing.

MSantoine
Post #8
Thursday September 8, 2016 2:53pm

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Original post from TheTruth

But one day we'll be back to more of our guys coming from MLS and that will be a good thing.


In the 2037 U20 world cup you will hopefully be right.

tylercocinas
Post #9
Thursday September 8, 2016 3:08pm

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Original post from MSantoine

I tihnk its clear that this crop of U20s is better than last cycle and one quick way to realize that is when you look back and see that three of the contibutors to last cycle's team (Zelalem, CCV, EPB) are eligible for this cycle. Yes we had some talent but you hardly see more than a token 17/18 yr old on the bench, never mind 3 guys getting starts. Also you look at guys like Scott, Akele, Wright, Pulisic, CCV, Gaines, GZ and we have more guys eligible for the U20 world cup that are playing/part of big 4 euro leagues, last cycle it was mostly MLS guys. I think you can easily see the growth if yo look at it big picture wise.

2009- 3 in europe, 11 in college, 7 mls
2013- 3 in europe, 4 in college (2 were backup goalies), 10 in MLS
2015- 7 in europe, 2 in college (backup goalies) , 7 in MLS
2017- 14 potential guys in europe.

You can see we went from a college/MLS mix, to a low level europe, mls mix, and look to be going to a mostly european team


I think from here on out, our YNT (at least from U17 up) will trend in this direction, however, North America based players will still play a major role as we've seen a reluctance to release players for qualifying on the part of European clubs.

hamsamwich
Post #10
Thursday September 8, 2016 3:21pm

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Do we need to start a pool on who is next to get first team minutes in Europe???

I feel like the smart money is on CCV, but who knows we could be surprised by a Wright, McKinnie or a Perez at Fiorentina for example.

The previous u20 is doing well but lacked the forward players. But Canouse, Stanko, Hyndman, Gooch, Soņora are repping midfield decently hard.

MSantoine
Post #11
Friday September 9, 2016 11:17am

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Original post from hamsamwich

Do we need to start a pool on who is next to get first team minutes in Europe???

I feel like the smart money is on CCV, but who knows we could be surprised by a Wright, McKinnie or a Perez at Fiorentina for example.

The previous u20 is doing well but lacked the forward players. But Canouse, Stanko, Hyndman, Gooch, Soņora are repping midfield decently hard.


The smart money is on CCV or Zelalem (I dont count 2nd division Scotland as first team minutes in Europe for the sake of this argument). Other people in the discussion would be Gaines and Akele.

Also regarding your assessment about the lack of forwards I think this shows why its important to keep churning out good players. The 2015 cycle was heavy on midfield/CD and weak on forwards and fullbacks. Luckily for US the forward crop right before them (Wood, Morris) looks to be worthy of playing significant minutes. Throw in the fact that Jozy still has another 4-6 years of being in the mix and its ok that the 2015 team lacked forwards (although Rubin could still turn out to be a key guy) and as long as 2017 or 2019 cycle have a couple (which they look like they will) then we'll be in good shape as the 2015 guys will be the midfielders and the 2017 guys the forwards.

hamsamwich
Post #12
Friday September 9, 2016 3:10pm

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There will be tough decisions and good players left home. The question for me really is (since between Brad and Tab they have seen a LOT of the player pool)-- can we show the depth to be quality? I mean every time it seems we do one of these things, one injury de rails our chances. Whatever is to be thought of Maki Tall- his foot injury and novakovich not being released basically killed us. This team is deeper, even if the team is without the best player in the age group, Pulisic.


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