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dunlopp9987
Post #226
Wednesday October 12, 2016 3:08am

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from munns5986

To me the big negatives were Yarbrough, Gonzalez, and Jozy seemed lazy or uninterested.


Acosta. Dude had at least four or five bad giveaways.
COYB!!
mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #227
Wednesday October 12, 2016 3:08am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
I know this was just a friendly- but for me the story of the game is Yedlin running at what is basically forward for 58' minutes.

He had runs all over the attack, just as much as he checked back in. He was pairing up with Altidore at times in a duo. I'd call that forward.

What is the purpose of this experiment, versus conducting a different experiment? What has he done for club and country that merits this experiment? Depending on who you'd move him out/back for, I see three or four players who started on the bench so that this experiment could happen.

Klinsmann must be so brilliant that he sees things that no one else can, or so he thinks.
Even midfield (with the exception of a 3-5-2 midfield) seems like a bad place for Yedlin. So why is forward better than that? What can he do with the ball at his feet that says anything but RB or RWB? (for that matter, if you had him at RB, how often would you want him to underlap....?)

Jzaval01
Post #228
Wednesday October 12, 2016 3:16am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
pretty poor game overall only winner out of these games are Horvath and Green. Alot of these players arent starter for a reason but god new zealand dominating us like at times is embarrassing considering where some of them play.

bjelks
Post #229
Wednesday October 12, 2016 3:20am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,366
Omar is trash
Kitchen is useless
Please stop with orozco

Green was our best player
Gooch needs to be our starting rm
Jozy was awful
We need to see more of D will, aguedelo, and boyd
I don't trust Sasha against quality opponents
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #230
Wednesday October 12, 2016 3:40am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
@mmee- his speed to get in behind. Without zardes we basically have no threat to get in behind out wide. It's a pretty locked down right side with Cameron and Yedlin when we play against a Costa Rica away or even Mexico at home. I definitely share your concerns regarding Klestjan against better opponents @bjelks. Your other commentary I disagree with aside from omar, who is trash. Then again if we were to play with Cameron at RB, I think a Brooks/Birnbaum combo at CB would be just fine.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #231
Wednesday October 12, 2016 3:55am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
His speed to get in behind is useful as an overlapping RB, in creating an advantage when he tries to dish with his good foot. He can potentially look for more players because he helps the situation become relatively numbers-up.

As F, his speed to get in behind is going to be neutralized by all of his disadvantages where he can't shoot lefty or pass precisely lefty, can't make striker-like cuts then shoot, isn't a dribbling threat in tight spaces, doesn't know what runs to make, doesn't win headers............

PROS: speed to get in behind
CONS: everything else

So a Speed-Merchant played in our front 4 over someone else. Great.

TheTruth
Post #232
Wednesday October 12, 2016 4:49am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Yedlin is one fast mofo.

And yeah, yeah Green was the (only?) winner from these 2 games, but his left foot really blows. Still don't get how all of these pro athletes can be so bad with their opposite foot/hand.

Dave
Post #233
Wednesday October 12, 2016 5:31am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,003
After these 2 friendlies what did we actually learn? Overall I'd have to say we didn't learn much of anything. Cuba was a disaster due to field conditions and the Lackadaisical approach most of the players took. New Zealand was an eye-opener and a reminder to take all opposing teams seriously. CONCACAF officials & fields are the ultimate equalizer....our players were hacked all day long in both games.

Players that hurt their standings: Yarbrough & Bingham both bobbled the ball way to often. IMO both are now behind Horvath & Hamid in the race for the 3rd keeper spot.
Orozco showed once again that he lacks the pace needed to play outside back at this level. JK needs to stop calling him in. Acosta still has a long ways to go before he can be anything other than a backup (far back IMO). I was disappointed in Kitchens performance. He seemed to consistently be out of position and didn't pair well with Bradley. Gonzalez showed again that he can't prevent himself from ball watching and playing boom-ball. Yedlin seems to have regressed a bit. He's making more rash tackles than before. If he doesn't get his act together soon Chandler will be our starting RB in the Hex.

Players that helped their standings: Green was the most consistent & dangerous player in both games, but needs more club minutes to really have a chance of breaking into the USMNT plans. Gooch showed in his cameo that he's a technical player who has a future with the team as long as he continues to progress & get games w/ Sunderland. He made a good 1st impression. Birnbaum solidified his status as the current backup @ RCB. I attribute this more to Gonzalez's defects than Birnbaum's significant contributions, but his performance was solid. Hamid improved his standing simply due to the poor performances of his competition. Williams, though not great, was at least able to show high energy and a good shot from the outside.

The rest of the team (Jozy, Wood, Bradley, Fabian, Brooks, Cameron, Pulisic) were below par this window....but will hopefully rebound and be ready to beat Mexico come November. Still not sold on Kljestan against better competition...he still worries me when he's under pressure or needs to defend.

admsghs27
Post #234
Wednesday October 12, 2016 6:10am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Terrible game we looked horrible should of beat new Zealand yes I know we were missing some key players but with the players we had we should of won. I mean Mexico beat them with a B squad and won vs Panama today also.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #235
Wednesday October 12, 2016 6:24am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,160
Omar can't distribute to save his life.

Green and Gooch are ballers. They'll get more time.

Yarbrough was awful. Idk how Hamid couldn't get in over him.

Why was it so hard for Bradley and Kitchen to understand what their roles were?

*Bangs head against desk and repeats*
Yedlin isn't a winger. Yedlin isn't a winger.

Kljestan needs to start. Idc if it's Mexico. He gives us creativity and guile.

Brooks and Cameron need to be our center backs. I don't give a damn where Cameron plays for Stoke. We need guys who can defend AND pass out the back and they're the two best in the pool at doing such.

All in all very lackluster. However you cant get too high or too low on those results.

admsghs27
Post #236
Wednesday October 12, 2016 6:26am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Jozy was awful the last 2 games he shouldn't be there vs Mexico. Wood and green up top. That's the new logic now these days ..

Rey Regicide
Post #237
Wednesday October 12, 2016 10:30am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
I think in a 4 3 3 creativity is left mostly to the forwards or the advanced 3

the next 3, the midfield, just has to NOT mess things up. something ham pointed out that our mids had a tendency to do. SK, seems to be a guy who can be tidy enough, and then there's that added benefit that he can pick a pass in the box. Bradley can pick one too, but not off of one two's, quick touches, etc, he's more suited for the deep mid sending long balls in, but honestly, I feel we have Nagbe who is better suited for that role. esp given Nagbe's ability to just retain the ball safely with as little space required as possible.

I think Bradley and Kitchen should be dueling it out, both in the event that we go 4 3 3, or 4 2 3 1. or even 4 4 2 to be honest.

Rey Regicide
Post #238
Wednesday October 12, 2016 10:34am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from EKneezy

Omar can't distribute to save his life.

Green and Gooch are ballers. They'll get more time.

Yarbrough was awful. Idk how Hamid couldn't get in over him.

Why was it so hard for Bradley and Kitchen to understand what their roles were?

*Bangs head against desk and repeats*
Yedlin isn't a winger. Yedlin isn't a winger.

Kljestan needs to start. Idc if it's Mexico. He gives us creativity and guile.

Brooks and Cameron need to be our center backs. I don't give a damn where Cameron plays for Stoke. We need guys who can defend AND pass out the back and they're the two best in the pool at doing such.

All in all very lackluster. However you cant get too high or too low on those results.


I can offer you a theory. It's not that Kitchen is a bad player, it's just that he's too similar to Bradley. With Beckerman, the good Beckerman, not the vulnerable, liability Beckerman, he almost seemed to play on a pivot, and he turned away from pressure without having to dribble and the balls were always in and out as fast as possible, leaving anyone who was pressing having to make decisions on where to go quickly. Kitchen likes to move in space, which is his strength in comparison, he's much more the athlete than Becks ever was. But he's not a like for like. Trapp was, but his problem was that he was WAY too slow.

So really we're left with having kitchen and Bradley being relatively the same type of player, just like the problems we had with JErmaine and Michael. So one has to play. If we choose to go 4 3 3.

hamsamwich
Post #239
Wednesday October 12, 2016 1:39pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
I love how people's preconceived notions affect what they see, I'm guilty of this too. So people want to see more Agudelo at wide forward and less Yedlin? Agudelo did nothing yesterday at all. I like Gooch and wanted him to start, but because he drops a few feet behind a player being double teamed and put in an average cross, all of a sudden he's a baller, more technical than Bedoya, etc. Come on. What did he do that Graham Zusi doesn't do? Be slow and put in a cross? Crappy game I can't wait for Mexico. Final word on Yedlin from me: of course he's a RB, of course he and Fabian are our outside backs for the qualifiers; but it's better to experiment with a quality player from our XI than lesser players. IMO Yedlin did much more to attack than did Gooch from the same position.

Rey Regicide
Post #240
Wednesday October 12, 2016 2:45pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Yea I mean, didn't Klinsmann say he was a defender, I think Yedlin was in midfield, or continues to be in midfield, because he can play there. So he gets a constant that he's aware of an knowledgeable of while continuing to experiment with wingers. Green came off for someon eright? Almost around the same time that Gooch came on? So as to "control" the experiment, Yedlin went back to RB.

Orozco gets called in because JK knows what he's getting out of him, and his failures aren't of any consequence because he's not getting into World cups or international cup games over Fabian, Yedlin, etc

Orozco, Becks, Zusi, Gonzo, are all control paramters, Yedlin, Gooch, Agudelo, Acosta are "under test".

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