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Post #16
Monday August 22, 2016 3:54pm

Joined Dec 2013
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Wow, I don't ever think a brand has been destroyed so much since the cyanide in the tylenol. . .

BG6
Post #17
Monday August 22, 2016 5:02pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 73
Original post from MSantoine

I considered Argentina but I think there is some misconception about that league. I think their expansion to a 30 team league is more absurd then MLS expansion. Sure they have creative midfielders aplenty but they dont have enouh quality defenders/goalies to make 30 teams viable. Also look at Copa Libertadores. They've been struggling mightily. Only 1 title in the last 5 years even though they always have the most teams entered. They usually only have 2 teams even win a knockout round, and only 1 make a semi. This is against teams from Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Uruguay, they are almost always favored and keep coming up short. Whats that say about the quality?

Regarding Switzerland no way its better than MLS. Caleb Stanko cant even get 2.bundes minutes and walks into a 90' a night role their. I think its in that next group down with Romania, Denmark, Sweden, Scotland, Hungary, Serbia/Croatia/Ukraine


I regularly travel there for work. I go to fc Basel games and Zurich games. How many Swiss league games have you actually watched?

MSantoine
Post #18
Monday August 22, 2016 5:16pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from BG6

I regularly travel there for work. I go to fc Basel games and Zurich games. How many Swiss league games have you actually watched?


I dont need to watch the games to know the quality of play. Facts are facts.

They only have 10 teams in their league. They dont have enough talent for more than 10 teams? And some of those teams are god awful (only 5 of 10 teams won more than 10 games).

They dont get people to watch them play. Only 4 teams have stadiums with more than 20k seats.

They suck in Europe. Havent won a UCL knockout round game in over a decade (stopped looking at that point). Only Basel has made the knockout rounds (twice in 10 years).

Finally the best of the best at Switzerland usually play for teams like Austria, Czech Republic, Switzerland. I think USA is better than those teams so I think our players are better than those players.

Again the specific placement is subjective and if you want to say Swiss is just as good as Greece/Turkey/Belgium/USA then thats fine but its a fine line and they are all similar to a point

BG6
Post #19
Monday August 22, 2016 5:44pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 73
So you don't need to watch soccer to know good soccer? Explains a lot

BG6
Post #20
Monday August 22, 2016 5:56pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 73
By my count there were 10 players on the euro national team playing in bundesliga last season 2 playing on serie a 1 playing in the premier league who arguably has one of the tops goals in the tournament and 2 playing in Ligue 1. Xhaka just moved to Arsenal. But right they all play for second tier leagues

MSantoine
Post #21
Monday August 22, 2016 8:06pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,688
So having a handful of good players makes the league awesome?

Last I checked it took at least 11 players to make a team good. And in my opinion you need to have more than one good team to make a league.

Other than Basel whens the last Swiss team that did anything? They didnt even do much at that.

So you can only talk about leagues you've seen now? So we mine as well close these boards as I doubt many have seen matches outside a handful of leagues, and even fewer youth players. We have this thing called media and internet so we can make informed decisions without watching.

dolcem
Post #22
Monday August 22, 2016 8:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,692
Original post from MSantoine

I considered Argentina but I think there is some misconception about that league. I think their expansion to a 30 team league is more absurd then MLS expansion. Sure they have creative midfielders aplenty but they dont have enouh quality defenders/goalies to make 30 teams viable. Also look at Copa Libertadores. They've been struggling mightily. Only 1 title in the last 5 years even though they always have the most teams entered. They usually only have 2 teams even win a knockout round, and only 1 make a semi. This is against teams from Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Uruguay, they are almost always favored and keep coming up short. Whats that say about the quality?



I don't want to sound condescending but you clearly don't follow South American soccer very closely, and it's only an example of how you can't really accurately judge leagues just by surfing the internet, as you claim is possible.

Argentine teams won two out of the last three Libertadores (San Lorenzo in '14, River in '15) while the Brazilian league is in serious decline. Aside from Corinthians there literally have been no good Brazilian teams in the past five years or so. While they had a resurgence in the 00's thanks to a strong real (their currency) and a weak Argentine peso (backed by a weaker economy), things have gotten really bad for them recently. The league is incredibly corrupt and poorly run and the youth academies don't churn out talent like they used to. And The best teams in S. America over the past few years have been River, Boca, San Lorenzo, and Racing.

Switching to the 30 team league has diluted the talent a bit but this isn't the MLS we're talking about. There are over 40 million Argentines and they play soccer as well as anyone. They actually have enough quality players that the level of play hasn't really gotten all that worse, it's just gotten a bit crappier and more physical. But the second division teams are just as strong as the second division teams from any other league (yes, at that point, there aren't all that many foreigners and it's pretty much determined by the quality of the domestic footballers). When Independiente was relegated we barely, and I mean barely, managed to get promoted, despite being a giant who had never been relegated before. I watched those games every week and most MLS teams would struggle mightily there.
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BG6
Post #23
Monday August 22, 2016 9:35pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 73
Original post from MSantoine

So having a handful of good players makes the league awesome?

Last I checked it took at least 11 players to make a team good. And in my opinion you need to have more than one good team to make a league.

Other than Basel whens the last Swiss team that did anything? They didnt even do much at that.

So you can only talk about leagues you've seen now? So we mine as well close these boards as I doubt many have seen matches outside a handful of leagues, and even fewer youth players. We have this thing called media and internet so we can make informed decisions without watching.


No where did I claim the league was awesome. I merely stated my belief it should be considered amongst those you cited. You were the one who then proceeded to cite the reasons you listed which I tried to refute intelligently. And yes you have to watch matches and youth players to actually know. You can not judge a player or team by reading about stats on the Internet. (It's not to say that we can't be excited or not excited from highlights or stats. It's saying you actually should have watched enough times to develop an informed opinion before being dismissive of people who have.).

As far as players go, You stated right above that Swiss players never go to or perform in top leagues. I was merely correcting your "oversight." Not bad for a country of 8mio.

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