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MSantoine
Post #1
Wednesday August 3, 2016 8:53pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Bedoya officially joined phile today. Two things that standout for me.

1) bedoya already had lots of talented youngsters getting ready to take his spot. I think this may speed that process up a little. I doubt he makes it as a starter past next summer.

2) Phile is stupid. THey mortgaged so much to get bedoya. All kinds of allocation money, 1st round pick, and a discovery claim. I don't think bedoya is a game changer that you mortgage your future for.

tylercocinas
Post #2
Wednesday August 3, 2016 9:52pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,070
Original post from MSantoine

Bedoya officially joined phile today. Two things that standout for me.

1) bedoya already had lots of talented youngsters getting ready to take his spot. I think this may speed that process up a little. I doubt he makes it as a starter past next summer.

2) Phile is stupid. THey mortgaged so much to get bedoya. All kinds of allocation money, 1st round pick, and a discovery claim. I don't think bedoya is a game changer that you mortgage your future for.


How did they mortgage their future? If a player wants to go to a city, MLS, in spite of the ridiculous rules they've put in place, will make it happen. If the next returning USMNT player wants to go to Philly, it will happen, no matter how much/little allocation money they have, who has the discovery claim, etc... They essentially only lost out on the 1st round draft pick, which, if they make the playoffs, won't be that high anyway.

blaise213
Post #3
Thursday August 4, 2016 1:32am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,355
Bedoya doesn't have a spot on my 23 man USMNT roster !

Then again, neither does altidore, bradley, beckerman, wondo

skangles
DC
Post #4
Thursday August 4, 2016 4:49am

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from MSantoine

Bedoya officially joined phile today. Two things that standout for me.

1) bedoya already had lots of talented youngsters getting ready to take his spot. I think this may speed that process up a little. I doubt he makes it as a starter past next summer.

2) Phile is stupid. THey mortgaged so much to get bedoya. All kinds of allocation money, 1st round pick, and a discovery claim. I don't think bedoya is a game changer that you mortgage your future for.


MLS is a strange animal. I don't think many people expected Kljestan to be one the league's best signings.

Dave
Post #5
Thursday August 4, 2016 1:48pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 627
Original post from MSantoine

Bedoya officially joined phile today. Two things that standout for me.

1) bedoya already had lots of talented youngsters getting ready to take his spot. I think this may speed that process up a little. I doubt he makes it as a starter past next summer.

2) Phile is stupid. THey mortgaged so much to get bedoya. All kinds of allocation money, 1st round pick, and a discovery claim. I don't think bedoya is a game changer that you mortgage your future for.


In general I agree with your fist point. Bedoya is a player who is under considerable pressure within the USMNT player pool from the upcoming generation. He may be USMNT starter at the moment, but he's at the point where he's likely to the slide downward. Zardes, Pulisic, Hyndman, Zelalem, and others will be putting significant pressure on him over the next 12-18 months.
I have no issue with the Union doing what they did to sign him. The Union are a decent team without too many "Old" players. At 29 Bedoya has got a 3-4 seasons in which he can really contribute to the team/league. That's not a bad trade-off.

hamsamwich
Post #6
Thursday August 4, 2016 2:09pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Wow. Nelson Rodriguez has no balls to hijack a deal, and we will end up with nothing in Chicago. Bedoya would've agreed a move to Chicago, but we are too busy "rebuilding". The Fire, we are the joke franchise.

Saying that, great move for Bedoya in my opinion. His time with National Team already had its clock started so this is right in line with good timing. He's still a very good USA player, but now he will be rated alongside the other MLS players.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #7
Thursday August 4, 2016 2:19pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 565
I was hoping this wasn't going to happen quite yet. Wanted a more prestigious move for him. But I hope this is the best thing for him and his family. Super nice guy.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #8
Thursday August 4, 2016 3:12pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,304
Never have an issue when a player puts his family over his playing career. I have no issues with him wanting to raise his kid in the USA. Love it actually.

It sucks from a national team perspective as these guys coming back to the MLS inevitably player on a lower level and aren't in top form once they come back (Bradley, Dempsey, Altidore, etc).
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TheTruth
Post #9
Thursday August 4, 2016 5:21pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 933
Yeah I echo the thoughts of others here. Would have liked to see him stay in a better league a couple more years. But he was always going to be a stretch in Russia and most people in these forums forget about non-soccer issues involved in these decisions.

I think it's a great move for him and Bedoya is the ideal example of someone who was never one of our top, top players and yet he managed to have a very successful career in Europe.

dolcem
Post #10
Thursday August 4, 2016 9:16pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,651
Original post from USAGunner

Never have an issue when a player puts his family over his playing career. I have no issues with him wanting to raise his kid in the USA. Love it actually.

It sucks from a national team perspective as these guys coming back to the MLS inevitably player on a lower level and aren't in top form once they come back (Bradley, Dempsey, Altidore, etc).


He couldn't wait just two years? Until after the World Cup? What's wrong with having his kids spend a couple years in France? It's not a third world country...it's certainly comparable to the US in terms of the standard of living.

I understand that there is always off the field stuff, but you want to see these take their national team role more seriously. I always liked to think of the USNT having players that bleed red, white, and blue, and put the national team above all else (including their own personal lives), but more and more it seems that this is simply a fantasy of mine. I know for damned sure that if I was a professional player, the most important thing in my life would be contributing to the national team in the best way I can. I wouldn't go play in an inferior league before my prime was up just for the money. Of course I don't know what it's like to have millions of dollars but considering the big pay cut I took to live in India, I'd like to think that I wouldn't do what Bradley and Altidore did.
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cudevil
Post #11
Friday August 5, 2016 4:10am

Joined Oct 2012
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He couldn't wait 2 years? When does that bleed into 3 or 4?

tylercocinas
Post #12
Friday August 5, 2016 3:17pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,070
Bedoya spent almost a decade grinding it out in Europe. Give the guy a break. Yes MLS is a step down from Ligue 1 but the best players will find a way to lead on the pitch regardless. Look at Jermaine Jones and Clint Dempsey. They've still played well for USMNT after making moves to MLS. Michael Bradley on the other hand has suffered considerably. Each player will be different.

BMD15
Boston
Post #13
Friday August 5, 2016 4:38pm

Joined Oct 2015
Total Posts: 92
Original post from dolcem

He couldn't wait just two years? Until after the World Cup? What's wrong with having his kids spend a couple years in France? It's not a third world country...it's certainly comparable to the US in terms of the standard of living.

I understand that there is always off the field stuff, but you want to see these take their national team role more seriously. I always liked to think of the USNT having players that bleed red, white, and blue, and put the national team above all else (including their own personal lives), but more and more it seems that this is simply a fantasy of mine. I know for damned sure that if I was a professional player, the most important thing in my life would be contributing to the national team in the best way I can. I wouldn't go play in an inferior league before my prime was up just for the money. Of course I don't know what it's like to have millions of dollars but considering the big pay cut I took to live in India, I'd like to think that I wouldn't do what Bradley and Altidore did.


In my personal opinion that's a narrow minded view as we don't know what went into the decision. Money notwithstanding, there are a million other things that could have factored in to his thought process and why he settled on Philadelphia & MLS. Tossing Bradley & Altidore into the mix doesn't make sense either as again - we don't know the full story behind why they came back home, just a few quotes and a bunch of speculation. And no two situations are alike.

It is undoubtedly an honor to play for the national team (as pretty much everyone who has has said at one point or another) but trying to justify that players should put their personal lives aside for the betterment of our national team is a joke, right?
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dolcem
Post #14
Saturday August 6, 2016 8:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,651
Original post from cudevil

He couldn't wait 2 years? When does that bleed into 3 or 4?


The World Cup is in two years...what would be forcing him to stay longer than that?

Original post from BMD15

In my personal opinion that's a narrow minded view as we don't know what went into the decision. Money notwithstanding, there are a million other things that could have factored in to his thought process and why he settled on Philadelphia & MLS. Tossing Bradley & Altidore into the mix doesn't make sense either as again - we don't know the full story behind why they came back home, just a few quotes and a bunch of speculation. And no two situations are alike.

It is undoubtedly an honor to play for the national team (as pretty much everyone who has has said at one point or another) but trying to justify that players should put their personal lives aside for the betterment of our national team is a joke, right?


Millions of people around the world put their professional lives before their personal lives. A lot of people take pay cuts if they think their work makes it worth it. Heck I moved to India recently and am making a fraction of what I would elsewhere but I'm here because I believe in what I'm doing. So if you get paid millions of dollars to kick a soccer ball and have fulfilled the dream of getting to represent your country (at least for a lot of us it's a dream), I'd like to think you'd be willing to make a few minor sacrifices. And I mean living in France for two years...this is France we're talking about...am I missing something here? We're not asking him to move to Syria or spend his vacations volunteering.
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hamsamwich
Post #15
Saturday August 6, 2016 8:54pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,395
The French people alone would make me flee like my house was on fire back to America.

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