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stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #31
Thursday August 18, 2016 3:40am

Joined Oct 2014
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Original post from dolcem

A lot of Florida Cubans are downright fascist though. The leaders of that community were the elite Batista supporters who took their money and ran to the US before it was even apparent that Cuba was on the road to communism because they were petrified of small-scale land reform and higher taxes. Frankly, I get sick of hearing their diatribes on "freedom" when democracy and civil liberties are relatively low on their list of concerns. I'll never forget hearing a news story 10-15 years ago about some Cuban dad that was going ballistic because his son's teacher wasn't anti-Castro enough for him. He made a huge deal about wanting to get this teacher fired and they had to explain to him that in the US, freedom of speech is protected and you can't fire people just because they don't agree with your political beliefs.

You said in the next post that you support anything "as long as the Cuban people become free"...how do you know that this game is not a step in that direction? I'm not necessarily saying it is, but if you want to see Cuba continue to open up, this is something you probably should support.


Not trying to restart this topic, so this is merely and FYI. My 8 yr son and I are avid fishermen, last Thursday we were 10 miles offshore and we found a cuban raft (boat)
there was no one on board. The coast guard soon arrived and we asked if there were any survivors-looks like 3 made it to shore and 4 died at sea. I am no good at technology but If I can figure it out I will upload a pic of the "boat" they came over on.

back to soccer-I hope we field a young team and start working on bringing in players who will be started come 2018-
Stoked
tylercocinas
Post #32
Thursday August 18, 2016 8:07pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Protected free speech, elections, civil rights, further expansion of private sector opportunities, the end of wage suppression, opportunities for upward social mobility for poorer Cubans, maintaining affordable and available healthcare, education, etc.

Thats what real freedom looks like. But hell we don't even have the last few things on that list.

That aside, the game is going to be a great opportunity for some of these young Yanks who break into their squads and the others who have been out for a while to really get some reps together. And it will give us another opportunity to figure out what's going on at LB, whether that's Villafana, Fabian, Garza, Bornstein (gasp!), or whomever.

dolcem
Post #33
Thursday August 18, 2016 9:01pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from stoked3

Not trying to restart this topic, so this is merely and FYI. My 8 yr son and I are avid fishermen, last Thursday we were 10 miles offshore and we found a cuban raft (boat)
there was no one on board. The coast guard soon arrived and we asked if there were any survivors-looks like 3 made it to shore and 4 died at sea. I am no good at technology but If I can figure it out I will upload a pic of the "boat" they came over on.

back to soccer-I hope we field a young team and start working on bringing in players who will be started come 2018-


Original post from tylercocinas

Protected free speech, elections, civil rights, further expansion of private sector opportunities, the end of wage suppression, opportunities for upward social mobility for poorer Cubans, maintaining affordable and available healthcare, education, etc.

Thats what real freedom looks like. But hell we don't even have the last few things on that list.

That aside, the game is going to be a great opportunity for some of these young Yanks who break into their squads and the others who have been out for a while to really get some reps together. And it will give us another opportunity to figure out what's going on at LB, whether that's Villafana, Fabian, Garza, Bornstein (gasp!), or whomever.


People die trying to come in to the US all of the time, yet if it's not a member of the Axis of Evil, no one will comment about it. No one seriously argues that we should push for regime change in Mexico despite the lengths to which Mexicans will go to try and reach the US. No one gives a flying fuck about the squalor in which Haitians live, for example, and I would give my left nut to live in Cuba rather than Haiti if those were my only two options.

Soon the Cuban government will collapse and millions will find themselves living in a level of poverty even worse than before, without access to the health care and education systems that are currently second best in central America (only behind Costa Rica). Sure, some will rise up into the middle class, and a select few will make a shit ton of money, but a lot of people will see their living standards drop dramatically, and telling them that they should be happy now that they're allowed to write about Rousseau and Locke and hold debates about political correctness might not have the effect that we think it will have.

It was only in 2001 that the first ex-Soviet socialist republic reached its 1989 GDP, with an increase of 3% from that date. The next best at that time was Belarus, which had reached 88% of its 1989 GDP. 48% of Russians regret the breakup of the Soviet Union. Heck eastern Germany still is a mess. When Cuba becomes "free," everyone will cease to care about the conditions in which Cubans live, especially the people in Miami that preferred living in a fascist country to a democratic one that had higher taxes. Anyway, it's the US' fault more than anyone else's that the situation there is as bad as it is.
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tylercocinas
Post #34
Friday August 19, 2016 7:31pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from dolcem

People die trying to come in to the US all of the time, yet if it's not a member of the Axis of Evil, no one will comment about it. No one seriously argues that we should push for regime change in Mexico despite the lengths to which Mexicans will go to try and reach the US. No one gives a flying fuck about the squalor in which Haitians live, for example, and I would give my left nut to live in Cuba rather than Haiti if those were my only two options.

Soon the Cuban government will collapse and millions will find themselves living in a level of poverty even worse than before, without access to the health care and education systems that are currently second best in central America (only behind Costa Rica). Sure, some will rise up into the middle class, and a select few will make a shit ton of money, but a lot of people will see their living standards drop dramatically, and telling them that they should be happy now that they're allowed to write about Rousseau and Locke and hold debates about political correctness might not have the effect that we think it will have.

It was only in 2001 that the first ex-Soviet socialist republic reached its 1989 GDP, with an increase of 3% from that date. The next best at that time was Belarus, which had reached 88% of its 1989 GDP. 48% of Russians regret the breakup of the Soviet Union. Heck eastern Germany still is a mess. When Cuba becomes "free," everyone will cease to care about the conditions in which Cubans live, especially the people in Miami that preferred living in a fascist country to a democratic one that had higher taxes. Anyway, it's the US' fault more than anyone else's that the situation there is as bad as it is.


I agree 100%. One only need look at folks from violence-ravaged countries in central America who, should be given refugee status, but instead they get deported. With regard to Cuba, many Cubans already live in what we can definitively call abject poverty. The education/healthcare situation mitigates this somewhat but not entirely. I'm not saying that the island should turn in to a capitalistic free-for-all, because unchecked capitalism naturally leads to haves and have-nots. Only that ideally they would have those positives you mentioned, and also some other civil rights and protections, while being able to achieve some type of prosperity, economically speaking.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #35
Saturday August 20, 2016 6:57pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from tylercocinas

I agree 100%. One only need look at folks from violence-ravaged countries in central America who, should be given refugee status, but instead they get deported. With regard to Cuba, many Cubans already live in what we can definitively call abject poverty. The education/healthcare situation mitigates this somewhat but not entirely. I'm not saying that the island should turn in to a capitalistic free-for-all, because unchecked capitalism naturally leads to haves and have-nots. Only that ideally they would have those positives you mentioned, and also some other civil rights and protections, while being able to achieve some type of prosperity, economically speaking.


Spot on, having personal experience in India, which started with a slow, but with a steady process by developing educational institutions and with semi government sponsored public sector industries. There is no quick fix for Cuba

skangles
DC
Post #36
Thursday August 25, 2016 4:40pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,443
I just bought my tickets to the New Zealand game. There is a DC United presale for the rest of today before tickets go on sale to the general public at 10am tomorrow.

If you plan on going to the game, lots of good seats available right now. The presale code is D1SCORE.

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