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hamsamwich
Post #16
Thursday August 4, 2016 2:05pm

Joined Oct 2013
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As a lifelong (except for 2 years) Chicagoan, I know the cesspool Obama waded through and became one of- to somehow get that nomination with no real qualification. Normally I criticize him, but this isn't the time.

As the boards resident Cuban, I always have an opinion on this subject.

The real truth is that we as the USA don't care about this issue. Only my older family members who were involved back then, the south Floridians. USA-Cuban relations are a huge deal in Cuba - and from what I saw, their younger people who have no investment in their system are tired of it.

This is actually one of the middle steps of a desperate Castro/Communist regime that is losing its grip. They'd love to turn Cuba into a new China where all the goods are made by super poor workers with no other options. It's the way to keep their power while having business relations with USA. They told me themselves that they would love to tap into our pharmaceutical industry for sure.

So read another way- this one is on Cuba for me. Not an "Obama" screwup or his legacy etc. No Americans aside from a small south Florida subset give a shit about this. But it's really important the other way, from the Cuban perspective because the majority of their population begs for normalized relations.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #17
Thursday August 4, 2016 2:17pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
Original post from stoked3

we could probably field a starting 11 from this message board that would beat cuba.

I'm in to fix the LB problem. Blaise at striker? lol

dolcem
Post #18
Thursday August 4, 2016 9:18pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from stoked3

Im all for ratings to an extent but this is not the way to get it, I live in South Florida, my cuban friends are pissed and offended. Shame on Obama for this stunt, some of my friends relatives died at the hands of the Cuban Gov, this is not the way to get attention-I would be all for this if the Cuban people had the some basic freedoms but they do not, once they do I am all for these types of games at it would be a good way to bring in younger or fringe players.

Now back to soccer, I love the idea of Ghana, should be a good test to get us ready for the hex.


A lot of Florida Cubans are downright fascist though. The leaders of that community were the elite Batista supporters who took their money and ran to the US before it was even apparent that Cuba was on the road to communism because they were petrified of small-scale land reform and higher taxes. Frankly, I get sick of hearing their diatribes on "freedom" when democracy and civil liberties are relatively low on their list of concerns. I'll never forget hearing a news story 10-15 years ago about some Cuban dad that was going ballistic because his son's teacher wasn't anti-Castro enough for him. He made a huge deal about wanting to get this teacher fired and they had to explain to him that in the US, freedom of speech is protected and you can't fire people just because they don't agree with your political beliefs.

You said in the next post that you support anything "as long as the Cuban people become free"...how do you know that this game is not a step in that direction? I'm not necessarily saying it is, but if you want to see Cuba continue to open up, this is something you probably should support.
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stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #19
Friday August 5, 2016 3:39am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 327
Original post from dolcem

A lot of Florida Cubans are downright fascist though. The leaders of that community were the elite Batista supporters who took their money and ran to the US before it was even apparent that Cuba was on the road to communism because they were petrified of small-scale land reform and higher taxes. Frankly, I get sick of hearing their diatribes on "freedom" when democracy and civil liberties are relatively low on their list of concerns. I'll never forget hearing a news story 10-15 years ago about some Cuban dad that was going ballistic because his son's teacher wasn't anti-Castro enough for him. He made a huge deal about wanting to get this teacher fired and they had to explain to him that in the US, freedom of speech is protected and you can't fire people just because they don't agree with your political beliefs.

You said in the next post that you support anything "as long as the Cuban people become free"...how do you know that this game is not a step in that direction? I'm not necessarily saying it is, but if you want to see Cuba continue to open up, this is something you probably should support.


You can be sick of hearing about freedom, but my friends who risk their lives to come here on a "boat" made of 2x4s were certainly not sick of hearing about it, in fact they wanted to taste freedom so bad they risk their lives: one of my friends tried 3x to come here with his brother, after the 2nd attempt (they were caught) by US coast guard-they were brought back home and his brother was shot.

I don't disagree with you that some people take things to far, but I think you maybe wrong with your idea that cubans don't want freedom-

As far as a soccer game being a step in the right direction for freedom. Umm I guess, but that is ass backwards negotiating.

Imagine Obama telling Castro, Hey we will play you in a soccer game, if you will consider letting you people live with basic rights and not under communist rule. Haha if only it was that simple.

You forgot that the US just eased travel and monetary restrictions after years of sanctions, and got basically nothing in return. Unless maybe the goal for that was to allow our US team to play there.

Im sorry for being sarcastic and for bringing politics into this, I hate talking politics. but having friends who came here recently and had family die trying to get here, and hearing thier stories I had to chime in.

You are right, a very cool thing about our great country is freedom of speech I certainly don't agree with but very much respect your opinion.

have a good night
Stoked
Rey Regicide
Post #20
Friday August 5, 2016 4:28pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
from what I understood from people who went to the island and spoke with people there, from the national side, not just the tourist side (there's two sides) is that the USA (Obama) ploy is to rid Castro of the scapegoating of the US.

Castro regime has said the reason they're poor is because of the embargo.

No more embargo now. It's Castro's move, and in lieu of that, the people's move to enact change from within. Something Obama administration, for better or worse, has been at least superficial about, having change being brought upon by the people inside.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #21
Tuesday August 16, 2016 6:06pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,160
The new opponent is New Zealand. There were scheduling problems with Ghana.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-in...

Dave
Post #22
Tuesday August 16, 2016 9:00pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,003
Based on the quality of opponents we are now facing in October, combined with fact that it falls between the 2 rounds of the CONCACAF Qualification process these 2 matches (Cuba & New Zealand) become the perfect opportunity to really look at a wide selection of young players....
Keeper: Horvath, Bingham, Steffen
Defense: Yedlin, Brooks, Miazga, Villafana CCV, Alvarado, TBD
Midfielders: Williams, Morales, Canouse, Nagbe, Hyndman, Lleget, Zelalem
Attackers: Wood, Zardes, Pulisic, Green, Gooch, Boyd/Johannsson,

Give most of the aging starts (Dempsey, Howard, Jones) and the regulars (Bradley, Fabian, Cameron, Jozy) the time off to recover w/ their clubs while we test out what we have in the next tier of players.

goods
Post #23
Tuesday August 16, 2016 10:29pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 563
Original post from Dave

Based on the quality of opponents we are now facing in October, combined with fact that it falls between the 2 rounds of the CONCACAF Qualification process these 2 matches (Cuba & New Zealand) become the perfect opportunity to really look at a wide selection of young players....
Keeper: Horvath, Bingham, Steffen
Defense: Yedlin, Brooks, Miazga, Villafana CCV, Alvarado, TBD
Midfielders: Williams, Morales, Canouse, Nagbe, Hyndman, Lleget, Zelalem
Attackers: Wood, Zardes, Pulisic, Green, Gooch, Boyd/Johannsson,

Give most of the aging starts (Dempsey, Howard, Jones) and the regulars (Bradley, Fabian, Cameron, Jozy) the time off to recover w/ their clubs while we test out what we have in the next tier of players.


I think u are right about age group. Would make the following changes:

Tbd=Vincent
Williams ->Kitchen I feel he is ahead of him
Lleget -> Finlay. Both not having great years love the speed of Finlay
Pulisic ->Morris. Pulisic is still 17 if he is moved and getting heavy minutes let the kid rest. That will be a lot travel and play for a 17 year old. Plus Morris is having a very nice season in Seattle. If Pulisic is loaned/sold in next 2 weeks I would let him stay home and work with new team for both breaks. If he goes to 2 Bundesliga they have longer winter break bring him in for camp cupcake. JK did that with Morales and I think Boyd.

skangles
DC
Post #24
Wednesday August 17, 2016 12:00am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,446
Original post from EKneezy

The new opponent is New Zealand. There were scheduling problems with Ghana.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-in...


Sigh. I mean I will still go to the game but I was really excited about facing Ghana.

MSantoine
Post #25
Wednesday August 17, 2016 11:11am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Totally agree. With the opponents being Cuba & New Zealand there is no reason to bring in the veteran Euro guys. I dont want to see Brooks, Fab, Chandler, Guzan, Wood at all. In fact Id be ok if we left Pulisic, Miazga, CCV, and the other young guys either on the edge of getting minutes or just starting too. This should be like a camp cupcake roster. Id be ok with bringing in one of Bradley, Jones, Bedoya as a veteran leader but other than that lets see some of the young MLS/MX guys

Know Nothing
Post #26
Wednesday August 17, 2016 5:31pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,702
I disagree @MSantoine. It is another valuable week for the regulars to train together and prepare for the hex.

admsghs27
Post #27
Wednesday August 17, 2016 8:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
I want to see the young mls, liga mx players. No need to bring the regulars and veterans in meaningful matches just so they can win 7-0 and 5-0 type of scorelines.

Know Nothing
Post #28
Wednesday August 17, 2016 9:33pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,702
I am not saying don't play the youngsters...I am saying call the regulars you expect to play in the first two hex matches to get them some extra practice together and invite a few fringe players to make out the numbers.

I have no problem with the fringe players getting a lot of minutes in the game. Let the regulars play the first half against Cuba and then sub in the fringe players. Send the regulars home right before the NZ match and call in some more fringe players.

skangles
DC
Post #29
Thursday August 18, 2016 12:26am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,446
The Hex starts in November this cycle. Say what you want about the games themselves, there is a lot of value having your first team spend a week training together just a few weeks before the Hex. Juergen should call up the guys he wants for November.

blaise213
Post #30
Thursday August 18, 2016 2:31am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,994
Original post from kicksNgiggles10

I'm in to fix the LB problem. Blaise at striker? lol


Sign me up! I score 4-5 goals in my pickup games (6 vs 6)

As far as LB's, Villafana and Vincent have my vote!

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