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hamsamwich
Post #1
Friday July 29, 2016 1:11am

Joined Oct 2013
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The thing about this is- Dempsey has to be replaced. In my opinion Dempsey has done more to maximize his career than any of our forwards ever, but it's come to the time we have to start turning the page. I fully expect Clint to be in Russia for 2018, but hopefully as a spot starter/ impact substitute. As a leader he is aggressive and always plays brash and confident. Many times it doesn't come off but his style of play (along with Jones) carries the type of arrogance to score and win against the better clubs. Dempseys scoring record is second to none in terms of who and when he scored against, always there in the big moments and important games.

Bob Wood has shown he can be that central forward but who can fill Dempseys place just underneath? I see only a few choices but I am limited in memory at times:

1. Aron Johanson - rated high and technical player who would fit just underneath Wood like a glove. But can he ever return to full fitness? Could go from option #1 to no chance if he can't straighten out his health.

2. Rubio Rubin - I am a big fan of this player, but he can't stay healthy either. Great interview by b shredder today with Rubin, who is gambling on himself this year to get back to the national team.

3. Christian Pulisic - plays wide for Dortmund but we've seen him play in the #10 shirt before. In my opinion he is more valuable as a wide player at this stage of his career and with this upcoming national team...
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What if Wood were to be the player to play off a striker?

1. Jozy Altidore - never healthy either, still has soccer left in the tank but will his hamstring allow him to play?

2. Gyasi Zardes - I'm beginning to think he is getting stagnant in MLS, but let's face it, Gyasi has the necessary attributes to play alongside Wood: speed, smarts, size.

3. Jordan Morris - we've seen the glimpse of the partnership before with the fantastic interplay between the two leading to Woods strike against I believe Holland (or Germany).

*** Two years away from the World Cup there are certain surprise players that can appear over two club seasons, but I believe these to be the forward options Jürgen will go with unless someone makes him include them. Jürgen is a team builder who values understanding on the field through repetition so maybe a Boyd forces his way onto the team but my feeling is that for Russia if you aren't or haven't been introduced by now to the national team it's gonna be hard to get into Jürgens thinking...

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #2
Friday July 29, 2016 3:19am

Joined Apr 2013
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Would like to add Gyau, Green to the above list

camparkinson
Post #3
Friday July 29, 2016 3:55am

Joined Aug 2012
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Yea in theory Johanson is the guy who should be there and we'll see how he comes back. I think Morris would be fun to see, Rubin also has showed promise for sure and I'd love to see more of him with USA.

I agree Dempsey has been amazing but he is also the reason why we're forced to play 442, we could potentially move away from 442 if he wasn't starting and then we don't need a support forward and can play more of a flowing 433.

Pulisic-- Wood--- F. Johnson
---Nagbe--Bedoya----
------Bradley--------
???--Brooks--Cameron-- Yedlin

LB is probably Chandler but I'd like to see Villafana and Lichaj get a chance. I also figure JK will keep Johnson at LB which is a clear mistake in my opinion and leaves a gaping hole at winger (maybe Gyau there).

But I'd really love to see what that 433 looks like, then maybe switch to 442 if you're chasing a game with Dempsey and Morris off the bench.

blaise213
Post #4
Friday July 29, 2016 3:56am

Joined Sep 2012
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Since nobody is listening

Terrence Boyd / Aron Johannsson

Been saying this shit since 2014 WC

Anyone see the Wondo Belgium wiff tonight at the all star game ?

hamsamwich
Post #5
Friday July 29, 2016 4:39am

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Neither of those guys could have ever played they've been injured since 2014 probably why nobody cared.

camparkinson
Post #6
Friday July 29, 2016 4:49am

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Total Posts: 334
I love the idea of Boyd but I don't see any way Wood isn't involved with how he's been playing for USA.

Yea wondo missed a sitter... not even on frame... nicely set up by Larin, he's looking better and better, Canada are gonna be very tough really soon.

blaise213
Post #7
Friday July 29, 2016 6:09am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,994
Original post from hamsamwich

Neither of those guys could have ever played they've been injured since 2014 probably why nobody cared.


Body wasnt injured, klinsmann cut him from the WC roster and went with wiffolowski

admsghs27
Post #8
Friday July 29, 2016 6:34am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from camparkinson

I love the idea of Boyd but I don't see any way Wood isn't involved with how he's been playing for USA.

Yea wondo missed a sitter... not even on frame... nicely set up by Larin, he's looking better and better, Canada are gonna be very tough really soon.


Yeah tell that to your great grand children....
And yes Wondo will be forever known for the choker and part of USA's worst games ever.. Because he just has to be involved..
Here's a top 3 list of american players that will be remembered by their silliness.......
1. Wondo
2. Bornstein
3. Clark

hamsamwich
Post #9
Friday July 29, 2016 10:23am

Joined Oct 2013
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@blaise- yes exactly that's two years running of injuries since 2014. Only cowards and losers live in the past. Between those two we may get five more USA games if we are lucky.

Ruining this thread with Ricardo Clark nonsense, this is about replacing Clint Dempsey as our scorer, and leader. We can talk about how Clint has always been a big game player unlike Landon, or how he attacks challenges instead of whining to come home like Landon, or how he isn't a quitter too soon who will be a fat crybaby like Landon, or how his soccer career is about what he does on the field, not his marketing off of it like Landon. But this is looking towards the future, not the past. We need players that are 2x or 3x the player Clint is or we aren't going anywhere.

At least @Blaise stays on topic, even if he chooses players that aren't healthy enough to play. Oh and the random Kenny Saief reference (but can he play under Bob Wood, that's the question @Blaise).

Dave
Post #10
Friday July 29, 2016 11:23am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,003
@ hamsamwich - I agree that replacing Dempsey is a difficult question/task. In many ways Dempsey embodies many of the traits that American fans appreciate and desire within the team. Determination, leadership, fearlessness, etc....
While we don't have a player that can necessarily fulfill all the aspects that Dempsey brings to the team, there are some players who show the promise of fulfilling some of the aspects.
Wood, Jozy, Zardes, Pulisic, Morris, Johannsson, & Rubin all have been discussed above, and all have traits that can help fill the void Dempsey will leave when his time with the team is concluded. However there are others who we should also remember.....
Green, Gyau, Perez, Menneh, Finlay, and others.
Who and how we replace Clint will depend on many factors....paramount, IMO, is the formation(s) that the team uses. Our player pool is beginning to trend towards either a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 formation. Determining the formation will depend on who our opponent is, and which of our young players establish and distinguish themselves first.
Our players are making strides, and the depth options are improving. I just hope that we can get a enough of the young guns can step up their game to help take us to the next level.

Rey Regicide
Post #11
Friday July 29, 2016 12:03pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
I feel you don't try to replace Dempsey.

Have we replaced Donovan?

Dempsey has been notoriously difficult to try to place and pigeonhole because he's tactically undisciplined on one side, but creative and inventive on the other. His free lance is what allows for his unpredictability.

Whichever personnel we get on the team should try to fit in as best as they can in their respective configuration.

MSantoine
Post #12
Friday July 29, 2016 12:16pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Replacing Dempsey from a soccer skill stand point is the easy part. Replacing his leadership is the hard part. In theory guys like Fab Jo & Jozy should have been the ones to step into that leadership role alongside Bradley. Fabian seems to not have the demeanor to be a leader. He is a great player but seems to be one of those types that does his thing but doesnt push others (not a bad thing, but cant force him to be something he's not). Jozy had some of that mean streak but due to injuries and other stuff it seems like he may be getting phased out as well. Guys like Wood, Morris, Green, Pulisic, Bedoya, Zardes, Nagbe dont seem to have the mentality, or the resume to be that guy either.

For that reason alone I think you keep Dempsey around to make sure the new wave of guys (Morris, Gyau, Pulisic, Green) can develop some of that toughness and resolve.

Rey Regicide
Post #13
Friday July 29, 2016 12:31pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Hyndman is that guy, here's hoping to Bornemouth makes a man out of him. Lol That's fun to say.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #14
Friday July 29, 2016 4:36pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,158
I thought it'd be crazy for him to play in 2018. But now it almost seems inevitable.

He's never relied on his super athleticism. He could totally break Donovans scoring record.

Live490
Texas
Post #15
Friday July 29, 2016 9:28pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
Lol Dempsey was always in LDs shadow. LD was a bigger game player. LD eliminated Dempsey and Fulham with two assists. Dempsey waa not a good captain. He stayed shut when LD was cut. As a captain, you should say something. Id want all the best players and he took the opportunity and stayed quiet so he would not have been overshadowed by Donovan. We havent replaced LD, Cherundolo, and people already want to replace Dempsey lol. The key player for us. Come on.

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