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Dave
Post #1
Thursday June 23, 2016 12:35am

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With the Copa America coming to a conclusion it's time to look at those players who helped their cause with the USMNT and those who have lost ground.

Winners:
Wood - His energy, tenacity, & speed showed he is very deserving of his place as a starter with the USNT. He still has some things to work on.....but his absence in the last game was very telling.
Yedlin - His defending has improved greatly over the past year and while not always perfect has made him the starting RB going forward. If he continues to improve he could become a lock-down defender. Still needs to work on some of the finer points of the game, but is making real strides.
Brooks - Finally becoming the dominating force many of us thought he could be. His positioning was very good, he was outstanding in the air, and generally made good decisions. Still needs to prove consistency but is making real strides along these lines.
Guzan - While he wasn't perfect he did very well and made some huge stops. As long as he finds a good club home where he can be the #1 Keeper he should hold onto the #1 spot for the USMNT.
Losers:
Wondo - That should be the last time Wondo suits up for the national team. Once again he's done nothing in a tournament. It is time to move on regardless of how well he may continue to do in MLS.
Castillo - When the backup LCB w/out experience at LB (Besler) becomes the preferred backup to your primary position....that doesn't say much about where you are in the depth chart. If we have even a semi competent option emerge (Villafana, Payne, Acosta) than Edgar is done.
Beckerman - While he may not be completely done with the USNT his role as a starter is over. Expect him to be used only as a sub when we're trying to bunker defend at the end of games.

Live490
Texas
Post #2
Thursday June 23, 2016 12:51am

Joined Mar 2013
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I agree with your lists. I would add Zardes to the winner section. Still needs some stuff to get better at, but can be an impact sub once we find someone better.

dunlopp9987
Post #3
Thursday June 23, 2016 1:05am

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Dempsey is a winner. So many people were up in arms that he should've been benched after the Colombia game. Then he goes out and scores against CR, Paraguay and Ecuador. He proved that he still is a major player for this team.

I would argue that Guzan is sort of in the middle, actually. Made some good stops, but also some mistakes (first goal last night comes to mind). I think we need Horvath to start showing that he wants to be #1.
COYB!!
skangles
DC
Post #4
Thursday June 23, 2016 1:06am

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Brooks was the big winner followed by the Brooks-Cameron CB partnership.

I agree on Wood, he has to have pushed a healthy Jozy out of the starting lineup going forward (if a healthy Jozy is even possible anymore) but we also have to include Dempsey as another big winner. Klinsmann dropped Dempsey following the Gold Cup. He was pivotal to everything we did in the attack and is still a central part of this team.

Jones is another winner for the same reason as Dempsey.

Jzaval01
Post #5
Thursday June 23, 2016 1:13am

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winner too
Jones - still top player in big games whether we like it or not
Zardes - Stepped up to the plate. Wasnt perfect but considering i was not excited about him coming in before cup, he shut up lots of doubters. Showed potential that he can compete at a higher level. Work rate is world class. Hoping he moves to Europe soon.
Losers -
Bradley- Imo i think he struggled much more than I expected. Wont lose his spot for obvious reasons but need to put players like nagbe to have him succeed. Cant do all the movement.

skangles
DC
Post #6
Thursday June 23, 2016 1:18am

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Original post from Jzaval01

Losers -
Bradley- Imo i think he struggled much more than I expected. Wont lose his spot for obvious reasons but need to put players like nagbe to have him succeed. Cant do all the movement.


This. Bradley's passing and decision making were poor throughout the tournament and I fully expect that there will be zero consequences.

hamsamwich
Post #7
Thursday June 23, 2016 1:30am

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Not sure about that regarding Bradley... It depends on a number of factors but I fully expect there to be significant challenge to Bradley as he has shown he needs to play farther back. Therefore his competition is different. There is a chance he could be "passed up" by younger players like Kitchen, Acosta and others if Bradley is viewed as a defensive player.

skangles
DC
Post #8
Thursday June 23, 2016 1:37am

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I really can't imagine a scenario during the remainder of this cycle whereby those guys or anybody else passes up Bradley on the depth chart to the point that he is relegated to the bench other than injury . If they force themselves into the lineup Juergen would just move Bradley farther up the pitch, IMO.

Live490
Texas
Post #9
Thursday June 23, 2016 1:38am

Joined Mar 2013
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One thing i would like to state as defense to Bradley. It is very easy to put the blame on a central midfielder when a team is not ticking. Especially if he gives away a ton of balls. Even more when he is supposed to be the outlet of the team. But it is kind of hard to be accurate or pick a good pass when you have players like wondo, zardes, and yedlin, who have a hard time executing the simple control, look, and pass concept. Even more so under pressure. Bradley gives it to Zardes, he does his one touch deal. Zardes looks bad but Bradley more because he "xould" have passed it to someone else. Gives it to yedlin, same thing or he boots it up with whatever part of the boot he can impact it. Now he has to look for the longer ball, with lesser of an accuracy percentage. Or he can go back to Cam or Brooks, who probably have a better touch than some of our mids, but people will hate that. "Always playing balls back." i would too if i had wondo on top or zardes loses 2 of 5 passes i give to him. I rather secure possession first. So even if Kitchen, Trap, Makelele come in, it would be useless because they would need to be set up with some type of help. A feilhaber, Nguyen, Nagbe. Someone who can keep the ball under pressure and not make the passer look like if he is making bad choices of who he passes it to.

hamsamwich
Post #10
Thursday June 23, 2016 2:04am

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@skangles- if he determines that our backline of Johnson, Brooks, Cameron and Yedlin are good enough plus Guzan, that's our defense for the next years. I think Jürgen wants to play a 4-3-3 by the way. With Bradley or another at DM... So if you Zardes (Morris), Wood and Pulisic that's up to eight out of the XI. There can only be so many that stay around. And as an MLS player, if Bradley doesn't completely outshine the others then he can fall victim to his newly limited role. Especially if Nagbe shines we are starting to talk about the guy getting rotated being Bradley. If not a full fan of doing that, but if Jürgen decided his new midfield consisted of say, Kitchen at DM with player X and Nagbe would it be too much? What Id like to see in the qualifying....

Pulisic -- Wood -- Morris
----- Johnson - Nagbe ---
------ Kitchen ------
Shea Brooks Cameron Yedlin
------- Guzan -------

goods
Post #11
Thursday June 23, 2016 2:17am

Joined Mar 2014
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I am not sure you can put Cameron in ink along that back line. He will be 32/33 and you have 4 CB'S who will start pushing him. EPB, CCV, Birnbaum, and Miazga between now and 2018 will all have significant time to make a push into the starting eleven. For the next round of qualifying he is in ink, but as the hex moves forward I see him being phased out.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #12
Thursday June 23, 2016 3:24am

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Biggest winner - Brooks
close second - Wood

Cameron and Zardes also. By 2108 Cam will hopefully be our Dmid with somebody else at RCB, maybe Miazga or Birnbaum. Cam looked very comfortable there against Argentina. For me it's a no-brainer, there isn't anybody close to him. It just comes down to finding a replacement for him in the backline.

Deuce lives to fight another day...if we utilize him properly underneath B-Wood. I don't think you see the same production from Deuce playing under Jozy...no way. That tandem drove me to the brink of insanity.

blaise213
Post #13
Thursday June 23, 2016 4:10am

Joined Sep 2012
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Losers: Sunil Gulati for not firing Klinsmann awhile ago
Losers: Klinsmann
Losers: Klinsmann's roster selections
Losers: Klinsmann's starting XI's
Losers: Klinsmann's substitutions
Losers: Beckerman, Wondo, Zusi, Castillo, Michael Bradley

Winners: Morris, Nguyen, Villafana, Saief,

bjelks
Post #14
Thursday June 23, 2016 4:55am

Joined Nov 2012
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I second @blaise213
goalsense
Dave
Post #15
Saturday June 25, 2016 12:47pm

Joined Jul 2014
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@hamsamwich - IMO the future formation and starting XI of the USMNT really comes down to what emerges first......
1) A viable Left Back option. If someone other than Fabian can be found to solidify the LB position that frees up FJ to be a more advanced. This would allow for a number of formation options and improve our possession and attack.
2) Another option at RCB other than Cameron. If Miazga or Birnbaum can step up their game enough to push/challenge Cameron it would allow Cameron to move to CDM. This in turn allows Bradley to play the B-to-B CM role that Jones currently plays.
3) A replacement for Jones. A high energy B-to-B center midfielder who has the grit, speed, determination, and technical ability to harass the opposition for 90 minutes.

If we find players who can fulfill the 1st & 2nd points the versatility of Fabian & Cameron would allow the coaches to take fliers on some other player selections. It would also allow for a greater quality to the player pool. This in turn would allow us the ability to rotate players without a significant decrease in play....keeping our players fresher and hopefully giving us the ability to better compete against the top tier teams in tournament play.

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