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dunlopp9987
Post #46
Thursday June 30, 2016 9:32pm

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http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/06/29/armc...

Another analyst's thoughts on the 23 for Russia. Interesting that he doesn't even really mention Villafana at LB (besides listing him in the "just missed the cut" spot) but says Vincent has a chance. And he also thinks JJ will be there in 2018. I'm not sure I fully agree, but until someone can run like JJ, and be a nuisance like JJ, and come up with the occasional great goal like JJ, I think he has to continue to be included.
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goods
Post #47
Thursday June 30, 2016 9:50pm

Joined Mar 2014
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I think JJ's role will become a bench player to kill off a game or if a game gets a little chippy he can be played. I think Argentina proved and so did the USMNT that u need a player who can come in for one game for a like substitution. Just think that if JJ is still a starter in 18 that is not a good thing.

admsghs27
Post #48
Thursday June 30, 2016 11:25pm

Joined Nov 2012
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There are always surprises even in a 2 year span.. My surprise/possible picks to make the WC in Russia are Akale, Vincent, Rubin, Villafana, Redding, Gyau, Finlay, etc... Other's to emerge...

goods
Post #49
Friday July 1, 2016 1:43am

Joined Mar 2014
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I think today Vincent would be a surprise, I think he makes it. My surprise for 2018 is Haiji Wright. If he gets quality first team minutes and has a standout u 20 WC appearance he can be that tall athletic striker you need late in a game. I also believe Gooch is a CAM and the same goes for him if he can find minutes with Sunderland he may sneak into the discussion. I think there is potential for a young squad in 18.

Dave
Post #50
Friday July 1, 2016 1:44pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,008
Original post from dunlopp9987

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/06/29/armc...

Another analyst's thoughts on the 23 for Russia. Interesting that he doesn't even really mention Villafana at LB (besides listing him in the "just missed the cut" spot) but says Vincent has a chance. And he also thinks JJ will be there in 2018. I'm not sure I fully agree, but until someone can run like JJ, and be a nuisance like JJ, and come up with the occasional great goal like JJ, I think he has to continue to be included.


While this was a decent article the writer seemed to give a preference to MLS players either in the 23 or in the "Just Missed". He left some very notable names out of contention (Gyau, Green, Payne, Rubin, CCV, etc....) and also suggested the need for 5 Center Backs; something that is almost unheard of unless a team plays a 3 man back line.
While I think he was fairly accurate with the majority of his picks (maybe 16 of the 23) there are is still a good chunk of time yet for some of the "Just Missed" guys and those he didn't even mention to overtake a number of players he identified.

MSantoine
Post #51
Friday July 1, 2016 3:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from dunlopp9987

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/06/29/armc...

Another analyst's thoughts on the 23 for Russia. Interesting that he doesn't even really mention Villafana at LB (besides listing him in the "just missed the cut" spot) but says Vincent has a chance. And he also thinks JJ will be there in 2018. I'm not sure I fully agree, but until someone can run like JJ, and be a nuisance like JJ, and come up with the occasional great goal like JJ, I think he has to continue to be included.


I think this is a pretty poor guess at the roster, especially for someone who's paid to supposedly know things. Clearly pushing an MLS agenda.

Goalie- Id put the chance of Hamid being the backup goalie at 1% and the chance of being in Russia at 5%. With Howard back to MLS he'll almost certainly stay ahead of Hamid, barring injury. With Horvath as the young goalie, its not like we need Hamid to gain experience to take over. Guzan will probably hang around until 2019-2021, and then Horvath (or Steffen) will be ready to take over. Bingham, Yarborough, or Howard will almost certainly be the #2

Defense- 5 CBs. He even acknowledges its stupid. And Omar has failed every time. Birnbaum has looked decent every time. Its pretty clear that until Birnbaum face plants he's the #3/4 CB. There's probably 2 outcomes here. Either Miazga (or someone else) steps into the #4 CB role and Besler stays on as backup LB, or Besler stays on as # CB and covers as LB depth to allow for an extra midfielder. Teams commonly bring only 7 defenders with them to tourneys, much more often then 9. With a guy like Chandler who can fill in at either fullback spot I could see going with 7 defenders with that flexibility.

Midfield- Only 5 midfielders, 1 of which will be 35/36 when you start 3? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Will have either 6 or 7 (6 and a guy that can do either like a better Zusi. Maybe Pulisic fills this dual role). Too many young guys that could break through to count.

Winger/Fwd- Bringing 3 guys who mainly play as the striker (Wood/Morris/Jozy) and only 3 wingers sounds like a bad idea as well. If anything I could see Zardes being that last forward option for his versatility. CJ Sapong as just missed the cut? really. Whens the last camp he got called in for? He'll be a 29 year old with no international experience. He's no where close to the roster. Wondolousy has a better chance then him of going

blaise213
Post #52
Tuesday July 5, 2016 11:53pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,998
No thanks

2016 MLS season

Michael Bradley = 0 goals
Jozy Altidore = 0 goals
Graham Zusi = 1 goal (yesterday)
Kyle Beckerwoman = 0 goals
Chris Wondolousy = 7 goals but who cares

dunlopp9987
Post #53
Wednesday July 6, 2016 12:28am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,642
Original post from blaise213

No thanks

2016 MLS season

Michael Bradley = 0 goals
Jozy Altidore = 0 goals
Graham Zusi = 1 goal (yesterday)
Kyle Beckerwoman = 0 goals
Chris Wondolousy = 7 goals but who cares


Love your logic. Airtight, really.

And don't include Beckerman on that list. And even Bradley. They're deep-lying midfielders. They're not in there to rack up goals.
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snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #54
Wednesday July 6, 2016 1:44am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 894
I can't believe we still have Gyau mentions. Dude hasn't played in 2 years. Him and Gatt were sent to the glue factory.

Jones will be includes until he shows he is no longer international quality. And our best midfielder by far.

Can't wait for Manneh, Puli, and Nags to be on the field all at the same time.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
tylercocinas
Post #55
Wednesday July 6, 2016 1:53am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from MSantoine

I think this is a pretty poor guess at the roster, especially for someone who's paid to supposedly know things. Clearly pushing an MLS agenda.

Goalie- Id put the chance of Hamid being the backup goalie at 1% and the chance of being in Russia at 5%. With Howard back to MLS he'll almost certainly stay ahead of Hamid, barring injury. With Horvath as the young goalie, its not like we need Hamid to gain experience to take over. Guzan will probably hang around until 2019-2021, and then Horvath (or Steffen) will be ready to take over. Bingham, Yarborough, or Howard will almost certainly be the #2

Defense- 5 CBs. He even acknowledges its stupid. And Omar has failed every time. Birnbaum has looked decent every time. Its pretty clear that until Birnbaum face plants he's the #3/4 CB. There's probably 2 outcomes here. Either Miazga (or someone else) steps into the #4 CB role and Besler stays on as backup LB, or Besler stays on as # CB and covers as LB depth to allow for an extra midfielder. Teams commonly bring only 7 defenders with them to tourneys, much more often then 9. With a guy like Chandler who can fill in at either fullback spot I could see going with 7 defenders with that flexibility.

Midfield- Only 5 midfielders, 1 of which will be 35/36 when you start 3? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Will have either 6 or 7 (6 and a guy that can do either like a better Zusi. Maybe Pulisic fills this dual role). Too many young guys that could break through to count.

Winger/Fwd- Bringing 3 guys who mainly play as the striker (Wood/Morris/Jozy) and only 3 wingers sounds like a bad idea as well. If anything I could see Zardes being that last forward option for his versatility. CJ Sapong as just missed the cut? really. Whens the last camp he got called in for? He'll be a 29 year old with no international experience. He's no where close to the roster. Wondolousy has a better chance then him of going


2 things. First, Howard is in decline. He has work to do (even in MLS) to prove that he still belongs. I am VERY biased as a DCU fan but man, Bill Hamid specializes in making extraordinary saves look routine. He's a major reason DC has had as much success as they have. As it stands right now, there's no way we dont look like 1) Guzan 2) Hamid 3) Horvath/Steffen

Secondarily, CJ is a solid target forward. He aint Jozy, but he offers many of those same qualities. And two of the players listed at CM (Ale, Nagbe) can play wide too.

At the end of the day though, you're right Matt Doyle is partial to MLS (and very anti-Klinsmann) so I do believe it's important to keep that in mind when discussing his projections/opinions.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #56
Wednesday July 6, 2016 2:45am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,480
Without any real true wingers in the USMNT pool and it doesn't look like that will change in the next two years, I could easily see the US going more to a 3-5-2 formation. Rubin is Moore of a hybrid FWD/ AM. Pulisic is as well.

Would be interesting to see this lineup:

-------Morris------Wood-------
--------Nagbe-------Pulisic-------
Fabian----------Jones---------Yedlin
-----Besler-----Brooks------Cameron
-------------GK---------------

I have to say Jones is looking as a better option at DM over Bradley.

hamsamwich
Post #57
Wednesday July 6, 2016 3:11am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Regarding Tim Howard I will say it like I said about Bradley, Morris and the others: Howard has to compete with Hamid, Bingham, Robles, Johnson and whoever else you want to include that play in MLS. Hamid does stand a chance to play for USA - if - he can stay healthy.

As for Morris- if Zardes can play wide in a 4-3-3, so can Morris. I'd like to see those two and Bob Wood as a front three in the future, but in this WCQ I would lock it down.... What I'd like to see in the next game:

Fabian -- Wood -- Zardes
---- Jones -- Bedoya ---
------ Kitchen -------
Castillo - Brooks - Cameron - Yedlin
------ Guzan -------
Subs: Morris, Nagbe, Rubin, Pulisic

I think now is the time to use Castillo and Besler and get Fabian into the attack. It's two years until Russia, and it's obvious that he is our best player right now with the ball at his feet. Getting him closer to Wood, Pulisic, Morris and the other attacking options will help to link the play. Staying with a 4-3-3, I'd like him out left or next to Bedoya ahead of the holding mid. His versatility is worth getting him forward and a different player (anybody really) at LB.

blaise213
Post #58
Wednesday July 6, 2016 4:29am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,998
Original post from snipes87

I can't believe we still have Gyau mentions. Dude hasn't played in 2 years. Him and Gatt were sent to the glue factory.

Jones will be includes until he shows he is no longer international quality. And our best midfielder by far.

Can't wait for Manneh, Puli, and Nags to be on the field all at the same time.


+1000

dunlopp9987
Post #59
Wednesday July 6, 2016 4:38am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,642
Original post from snipes87

I can't believe we still have Gyau mentions. Dude hasn't played in 2 years. Him and Gatt were sent to the glue factory.

Jones will be includes until he shows he is no longer international quality. And our best midfielder by far.

Can't wait for Manneh, Puli, and Nags to be on the field all at the same time.


I still have hope for Gyau. Gatt, not so much. I understand he's still young, but that dude just cannot stay healthy to save his life.

100% agree about Jones. I said it after the Copa. No one else runs like him, harasses the opposition like him, and he pitches in with goals every now and again. So many people calling for him to (still) be dropped. Clearly they aren't watching the same games.

I'm excited for Nagbe and Puli because I've seen what they can do in a USMNT shirt. I'm not gonna get too excited about a good MLSer who hasn't suited up for us yet.
COYB!!
Dave
Post #60
Wednesday July 6, 2016 8:08am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,008
Original post from hamsamwich

Regarding Tim Howard I will say it like I said about Bradley, Morris and the others: Howard has to compete with Hamid, Bingham, Robles, Johnson and whoever else you want to include that play in MLS. Hamid does stand a chance to play for USA - if - he can stay healthy.

As for Morris- if Zardes can play wide in a 4-3-3, so can Morris. I'd like to see those two and Bob Wood as a front three in the future, but in this WCQ I would lock it down.... What I'd like to see in the next game:

Fabian - Wood - Zardes
-- Jones - Bedoya --
--- Kitchen ----
Castillo - Brooks - Cameron - Yedlin
--- Guzan ----
Subs: Morris, Nagbe, Rubin, Pulisic

I think now is the time to use Castillo and Besler and get Fabian into the attack. It's two years until Russia, and it's obvious that he is our best player right now with the ball at his feet. Getting him closer to Wood, Pulisic, Morris and the other attacking options will help to link the play. Staying with a 4-3-3, I'd like him out left or next to Bedoya ahead of the holding mid. His versatility is worth getting him forward and a different player (anybody really) at LB.


I don't have a problem with this lineup except for the use of Castillo as the LB. I know he plays well for his club team, but every time I see him with the US he just seems to be timid and lacks confidence. It must also be noted that 2 CBs were given starts over him at the LB position during the Copa.
If Fabian isn't going to be used as a fullback, especially LB, than we still have a major whole to fill in the team. IMO the best & most likely option should be Villafana. It maybe a case of backup quarterback syndrome, but he at least deserves a chance to show what he can do. After Villafana I'd have to say Chander or Lichaj would have to be considered the next likely option.

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