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blaise213
Post #421
Thursday September 8, 2016 8:02pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,994
Original post from Know Nothing

Blaise,

Which USMNT starting 11 do you think CAN play fluid attacking football?

Yours Curiously,

Know Nothing


You forgot "Dear Blaise"

Christmas Tree formation - Best starting XI (ATM)

----- Wood -------
--- Pulisic - Nagbe ---
-Johnson - Jones - Zardes-
Villafana - Brooks - Cameron - Yedlin
------ Howard --------

Zardes is my ??? in this formation because our RW options are garbage. This is why I want to acquire Kenny Saief (attacking winger). I'm also hearing Gboly Ariyibi is getting multiple team offers.

Johannsson is my starting forward when healthy.

Dave
Post #422
Thursday September 8, 2016 8:19pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,003
@blaise213 - A Christmas tree formation is a possibility with the player pool we are beginning to see emerge within the USMNT player pool. I'd make a minor change to your Best Starting XI (ATM)...
--- Wood ----
-- Pulisic - Gooch --
-Johnson - Jones - Nagbe-
Villafana - Brooks - Cameron - Yedlin
--- Howard ----

To address your Zardes question I'd insert Gooch at the 2 and drop Nagbe in place of Zardes. I know you don't like Bradley as part of the starting XI, but I'd slot Bradley in place of Jones.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #423
Thursday September 8, 2016 8:22pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,518
I think it is way more complex than saying MB sucks... need to look at off the ball movement of his teammates. Top teams we face know MB is the hub of distribution...a defensive focal point...probably priority number one at the Copa was high press MB and our backline . There were times against Argentina when MB practically had 2 players closing him ridiculously fast. The opposing team's physical and mental speed and quickness is the difference. our guys can't move fast enough or smart enough to be available to pass to when one of our players is getting closed ridiculously fast. We don't read the situation well enough to connect and combo at that high end tempo. It is a team wide issue. We look slow and disjointed..and resort to boom ball to relieve pressure.

The key is having a couple more high quality players to share the playmaking responsibilities...Pulisic will greatly help....maybe Sacha also. So it isn't so easy to shut a whole team down when one player is marked out of the game.

We aren't close to the big boy teams when they really want to get after us. As a team, They make us look slow and stupid...MB is the least of our problems in those situations.

Plug any other player into MB's boots at the Copa and we get absolutely shredded with non- stop turnovers deep in our end.

cudevil
Post #424
Thursday September 8, 2016 8:27pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 989
Original post from bjelks

What we do know is the ceiling for bradley against quality teams is mediocre to shitty because of his limited athletic ability and slow feet.

We should at least see what the younger players can do. They can't possibly get their asses handed to them in worse.

The last time I saw d Williams play he was explosive and dynamic against brasil.


That high density ridiculousness right there.

Know Nothing
Post #425
Thursday September 8, 2016 9:30pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,702
Original post from blaise213

You forgot "Dear Blaise"

Christmas Tree formation - Best starting XI (ATM)

--- Wood ----
-- Pulisic - Nagbe --
-Johnson - Jones - Zardes-
Villafana - Brooks - Cameron - Yedlin
--- Howard ----

Zardes is my ??? in this formation because our RW options are garbage. This is why I want to acquire Kenny Saief (attacking winger). I'm also hearing Gboly Ariyibi is getting multiple team offers.

Johannsson is my starting forward when healthy.


Okay, a nice team I admit. However for all your speed the only dangers on set pieces are Brooks and Cameron. And your speed can be counteracted by giving you possession and playing deep.

If I was managing against it with the remaining players from the USMNT pool I would bunker and hit you on the counter. I would use this team to do it:

Horvath
EPB, Birnbaum, CCV,
Rosenberry, Bradley, Kitchen, Desevio Payne
Gyau, Morris, Green

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #426
Thursday September 8, 2016 10:34pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,518
Re: Blaise line up.

Jones would absolutely hate playing there and rove leaving a void right in front of the backline.. big trouble there.

Nagbe is too passive to be that close to goal...usually gives up the responsibility of shooting or driving into the box....always looking to make one more pass...

Villafana? we have no idea what he looks like in a decent level nats game yet...

I like the other guys...nice to see Howard in goal.

rainORshine
Post #427
Friday September 9, 2016 9:20am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from dunlopp9987

Sacha and Puli both starting. There you go, death-to-Jurgen camp.


what a complete douche bag idiot you are. no offence.

but you are the biggest reason i rarely comment here. i think some of the other assholes on this site SOMEWHAT realize how clueless they are.

yea, giving sacha his first start in a meaningful game in his 5 years in charge is a reason to compliment JK.

JKs job of moving the program forward was not necessarily easy... but the formula was fairly simple -
1) identify your best ball-handlers
2) put them in positions to succeed
3) start taking bigger steps towards being a first-world footballing nation by playing a little more sophisticated soccer (USE YOUR SKILLED PLAYER IN CENTER OF FIELD)

JK FAILED MISERABLY at point number ONE. as ive been saying since (before) JK took over you have basically 2 options to quarterback the attack - sacha k and benny f. period. neither of them is is world class, neither will make the difference between winning a world cup or not. that is a moot point, though, since nobody in the program fits in those categories.

JK has consistently and persistently denied his absolute most skilled technicians access to first team PT.

im sorry, you and basically everyone else were wrong and i was right. sacha and benny can fill a role that has needed to be filled and that NO ONE ELSE CAN FILL.

10 years ago i told anyone who would listen that sacha was superior to adu. i was right. more recently i told anyone who would listen that mix diskerud was COMPLETELY UNQUALIFIED to start games for USMNT and that a guy winning championships in belgium and playing champions league could be pretty useful. i was right. and i dont really care how stupid fans are but for the coach of the MNT to get this SO wrong, SO frequently??? thats just not acceptable.

sacha was not even on the roster when it came out - THATS HOW FUCKING CLUELESS THIS GUY IS. and the fans who think hes doing a decent job? beyond clueless

for those of you who WANT to see how clueless you are, just go pull up the "sacha v mix" thread. the responses to THIS post will show us who wants to keep their heads completely up their assholes

-----pulisic------CF-------
----------kljestan---------
-------bradley---CM--------
fabian-----------------RWB
----LCB--brooks--cameron-----

LCB options - besler / birnbaum / CCV / orozco / spector
RWB - chandler / yedlin
CM - bedoya / morales / williams
CF - altidore / wood

#rainOUT

coverby
Post #428
Friday September 9, 2016 9:43am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
Original post from rainORshine

what a complete douche bag idiot you are. no offence.

but you are the biggest reason i rarely comment here. i think some of the other assholes on this site SOMEWHAT realize how clueless they are.

yea, giving sacha his first start in a meaningful game in his 5 years in charge is a reason to compliment JK.

JKs job of moving the program forward was not necessarily easy... but the formula was fairly simple -
1) identify your best ball-handlers
2) put them in positions to succeed
3) start taking bigger steps towards being a first-world footballing nation by playing a little more sophisticated soccer (USE YOUR SKILLED PLAYER IN CENTER OF FIELD)

JK FAILED MISERABLY at point number ONE. as ive been saying since (before) JK took over you have basically 2 options to quarterback the attack - sacha k and benny f. period. neither of them is is world class, neither will make the difference between winning a world cup or not. that is a moot point, though, since nobody in the program fits in those categories.

JK has consistently and persistently denied his absolute most skilled technicians access to first team PT.

im sorry, you and basically everyone else were wrong and i was right. sacha and benny can fill a role that has needed to be filled and that NO ONE ELSE CAN FILL.

10 years ago i told anyone who would listen that sacha was superior to adu. i was right. more recently i told anyone who would listen that mix diskerud was COMPLETELY UNQUALIFIED to start games for USMNT and that a guy winning championships in belgium and playing champions league could be pretty useful. i was right. and i dont really care how stupid fans are but for the coach of the MNT to get this SO wrong, SO frequently??? thats just not acceptable.

sacha was not even on the roster when it came out - THATS HOW FUCKING CLUELESS THIS GUY IS. and the fans who think hes doing a decent job? beyond clueless

for those of you who WANT to see how clueless you are, just go pull up the "sacha v mix" thread. the responses to THIS post will show us who wants to keep their heads completely up their assholes

---pulisic---CF----
-----kljestan-----
----bradley--CM----
fabian---------RWB
--LCB-brooks-cameron---

LCB options - besler / birnbaum / CCV / orozco / spector
RWB - chandler / yedlin
CM - bedoya / morales / williams
CF - altidore / wood

#rainOUT


Aww did someone forget about how absolutely wrong he was about WC 2014 and disappeared off the face of the planet?

tylercocinas
Post #429
Friday September 9, 2016 12:53pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Could also add Lee Nguyen to the list of guys who could've filled to 10 role

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #430
Friday September 9, 2016 1:56pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
so a good game against Trinidad and Tobago (who had little to play for because they had already assured qualification for the hex) is the end of the story?
Come on man. Surely you aren't that desperate.

People can point to games from Mix and PLENTY of others against less than quality opponents that were very similar.

Sacha had a good game. Just leave it at that. Don't try to use this game to prove anything. Because you will fail miserably short.

It doesn't show us at all if Sacha would be quality or give us a better chance against teams that maintain possession and are actually quality. It doesn't prove if he can track back and defend when necessary (since T&T wasn't attacking much).

It proves that against an inferior opponent on US Soil, when the US has the majority of possession that he can play well. Well OF COURSE he can. That game was tailor made for guys like Sacha. A team that isn't as athletic as the US, isn't as technical as the US, and had little interest in keeping possession or attacking.

Now if he has a game like that against Mexico or even Costa Rica (on the road), etc.THEN you might be on to something.
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Rey Regicide
Post #431
Friday September 9, 2016 2:08pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Right but he's not saying that Sascha's game against TNT is the final word.

The weird thing is he's been the best midfielder (USA citizen) in the MLS for two years now.

In my opinion he's gotten better, and morphed into a no. 8 close to 10 type player.

At Anderlecth he was more a 6 or the CM who stayed closer to the CDM, Nagbe like.

But now he's clearly pulling the strings at Redbull who have been one of the more consistent teams.

See that last line is good. He has to show against Mexico. But that implies that he has to be called up. Right?

hamsamwich
Post #432
Friday September 9, 2016 3:14pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
I don't know- the first half against T&T- we did face attacks and Sasha was a bit of a soft touch. Ok so he passed it out wide to Pulisic. Great. Bedoya and a host of others as the other CM alongside Bradley can do that too. I don't see it against Mexico or the better teams. Rain is right- he has a role to play. Against weak teams he can attack and make awesome passes for goals. But isn't that what we say about Wondolowski??? Or Edgar Castillo??

Rey Regicide
Post #433
Friday September 9, 2016 3:25pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
that first half had Sasha, Fabian, and Puli on the play that gave SK his goal. And I would disagree, Bradley can't get into position comfortably like SK, I mean we've tried Bradley in that advanced role, and it's been bad right?

You want to know what Bradley can't do? That quick thinking in the box one touch hitting players in motion, and honestly aside from Nagbe no one else on that roster can.

WE have midfielders who can spray the ball, though quite frankly, hasn't Bradley looked bad at that too?

But we don't have quick thinking creativity. Can he do it against Mexico? Good question, probably should give it a try.

MSantoine
Post #434
Friday September 9, 2016 4:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
I think one thing that is being overlooked is the fact that we had Pulisic on the wing and not Zardes or Zusi. I think Bedoya, Jones, Bradley, Nagbe, would all look better than in recent times if they could just kick the ball over to him and let him do the heavy lifting. None of the other guys got an opportunity as golden as Sacha just did (weak opponent, best possible teamate). Throw in the fact that Jozy was on top of his game and that T&T was ready to throw in the towel the first sign of trouble and it impossible for a CM to look bad in that role (notice the multiple of scoring opportunites after Stanko came on and Bradley moved up the field a little).

This should not make Sacha leap frog others in the pool that may have been ahead of him, and the youngsters should be ready to take it over (Gooch/Hyndman/Zelalem) in the next year or two but I think Sacha deserves a look if the other options are Jones, Bedoya, Zusi. I wish Nagbe would have gotten the chance Sacha did as he looked equally dangerous against weak foes when coming on as a sub with CP before the Copa.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #435
Friday September 9, 2016 5:46pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,518
Sacha v Mix was an MLS comparison to determine which player would have the better numbers. At the time given the completely different positional dynamic each player had with RB and NY, I said I would not bet against SK having better numbers.

SK playing as the primary playmaker with Dax behind him and a coordinated high press was a dream position for SK. Mix on the other hand was shifted all over, I think at the time he was a deep mid on a dysfunctional team with probably the worst back line the MLS has ever seen. SK continues to crush it and Mix is an outcast.

I think I said at the time, it would be a tough comparison. It would have been interesting to see what both would look like if you could magically swap their teams, Mix with RB and SK with NY.

SK has looked very good with the nats..I want to see how he looks going forward against all comp. I think MSantoine has some valid points. I'm not an SK hater at all, I want to see him succeed...I like his game, especially how quickly he reads the game and his field awareness and passing ability.

Rain - Here's a honest question for you. Do you think SK has improved his game since he came to the Redbulls.

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