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blaise213
Post #16
Sunday June 26, 2016 9:01pm

Joined Sep 2012
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Original post from dunlopp9987

Not to mention I already spelled out why Bobby Martinez would be a terrible choice to manage our team, and Blaise had no response.


I'm just throwing out proven coaches that are available!

Who do you want? Klinsmann til 2022 ?

skangles
DC
Post #17
Sunday June 26, 2016 9:27pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,447
Juergen is going to be the manager through the 2018 World Cup. I can only envision two scenarios where he is fired before then:

1) The Sept Qualifiers go horribly awry and we get knocked out before the Hex. If this happens we won't have a competitive game until the 2019 Gold Cup but it would certainly warrant a change.

2) Really poor results from the first four games of the Hex (talking about 0 or 1 point from the four games). We would be in desperation mode for the final six games and I could potentially see a change being made but even then they may give Juergen a few more games to turn it around.

Point being it would have to be a complete disaster for us to see a change before 2018.

I don't want Juergen to stay on after 2018 under any circumstance. Scratch that, he can stay on if we win the World Cup.

Two cycles of the same manager is as long as we should tolerate, after that it's time for fresh ideas. The only exception to more than two cycles should be instances where the results speak for themselves like Del Bosque and Loew.

dunlopp9987
Post #18
Sunday June 26, 2016 9:41pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,642
Original post from blaise213

I'm just throwing out proven coaches that are available!

Who do you want? Klinsmann til 2022 ?


I just find it unbelievable that you complain so much about JK, and yet you're shouting from the rooftops to hire a guy who had a team relegated from the EPL, and turned a great Everton side into a terrible Everton side.

I personally think he would be a worse coach for us than Jurgen, but at the very best, it would be a lateral move. He certainly wouldn't be any better. Like I said, he would likely get us to play some beautiful, flowing football for a little bit. And then before you know it, we're averaging 2-3 goals against each game because he has zero know-how in regards to defending.

This is a problem with the "Klinsmann Must Die" camp. An insatiable desire to see him leave, no suggestions for a coach who A) Would be a better fit and succeed, B) Is available, and C) Would even want to take this job.
COYB!!
MSantoine
Post #19
Monday June 27, 2016 11:39am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Dave

When looking towards the September Qualifiers there are a couple things that people need to remember....First we have to pick up at least 4 pts. to insure advancement into the Hex. Now I don't think this is a difficult task, but at the same time I'd expect JK and his staff to select a squad without many inexperienced or fringe players. Second thing to remember is that Bradley will be suspended for the 1st game against St. Vincent due to card accumulation. This doesn't present much of a problem but it will force JKs to make at least a mild adjustment.
I therefore expect that the September WCQ squad to basically be the 23 called for the Copa with only a couple of exceptions. I expect (Hope) that Wondo, Beckerman, Castillo & Orozco are replaced. These are the 4 players which IMO are the ones who contribute the least right now and towards the future.

Therefore the 23 I think we'll see will be something along the following:
Keepers: Guzan, Howard, Horvath
Defense: Yedlin, Johnson, Cameron, Brooks, Besler, Birnbaum, Chandler, Villafana
Midfield: Bradley, Jones, Bedoya, Nagbe, Zusi, Kitchen, Williams/Morales
Attack: Dempsey, Wood, Pulisic, Zardes, Morris/Jozy

It won't be until we get to the next friendly and/or January camp before we see some of the players that many of us would have hoped to see.....Lleget, Manneh, Acosta, Hyndman, Green, Kiesewetter, etc..as we have to pick up points and JK will have to be somewhat conservative in his selections.


Actually we pretty much just need to win the game against St V's. If we cant win that game with just about any semblance of a decent roster we dont deserve to be in the world cup. T&T has to at least draw vs Guatemala or they are in serious trouble (lose to Guat and they pretty much have to beat us to qualify as Guat will surely beat St V's). Assuming we beat St V's that gives us 10 points. Win or Draw by T&T means T&T is qualified and has nothing to play for vs us. Also it means we've already clinched (T&T win and we win means we're in) or we just need Guatemala to not make up the goal differential (would be at least 7 even if we only win by 1 goal). Beat St V's by 2+ goals and we could lose to T&T and still advance as long as they get a result, at home, vs Guatemala.

Because of that I hope we bring in a bigger roster so that after crushing St V's we can start a younger lineup like

Pulisic-Wood-Morris
Nagbe-Bedoya
Bradley
Fab (or Shea, Lichaj, Ream, Chandler)-Brooks-Miazga-Yedlin
Howard

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #20
Monday June 27, 2016 3:41pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
Original post from navi8132

Lichaj should play LB. Lichaj should play LB. Did I mention Lichaj should play LB.

I've been thinking about why we haven't seen Lichaj make the final roster under JK. The only thing I can think of is that Lichaj plays mostly at right back for Forrest. I know he can play left back. But I wonder if he's just not cutting it at LB at this level. And he clearly rates Yedlin higher at RB and prefers to have outside back who attack more than defend. But that still doesn't explain why he is not there for depth.....I don't know. Just trying to make sense of JK. I guess that's a fruitless endeavor.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #21
Monday June 27, 2016 9:40pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from blaise213

I'm just throwing out proven coaches that are available!

Who do you want? Klinsmann til 2022 ?


That'll be good, Klinsmann will pull a rabbit out of his hat, hit semi-finals in WC 2018 and voila, hopefully you wont pop a vein.

Dave
Post #22
Monday June 27, 2016 11:32pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,008
Original post from MSantoine

Actually we pretty much just need to win the game against St V's. If we cant win that game with just about any semblance of a decent roster we dont deserve to be in the world cup. T&T has to at least draw vs Guatemala or they are in serious trouble (lose to Guat and they pretty much have to beat us to qualify as Guat will surely beat St V's). Assuming we beat St V's that gives us 10 points. Win or Draw by T&T means T&T is qualified and has nothing to play for vs us. Also it means we've already clinched (T&T win and we win means we're in) or we just need Guatemala to not make up the goal differential (would be at least 7 even if we only win by 1 goal). Beat St V's by 2+ goals and we could lose to T&T and still advance as long as they get a result, at home, vs Guatemala.

Because of that I hope we bring in a bigger roster so that after crushing St V's we can start a younger lineup like

Pulisic-Wood-Morris
Nagbe-Bedoya
Bradley
Fab (or Shea, Lichaj, Ream, Chandler)-Brooks-Miazga-Yedlin
Howard


IMO we're likely to see more risk in player selection against St. Vincent than we will against T&T. St. V will bunker and try and hit us on the counter while T&T is going to be more of a back and forth game. For this reason I think we'll see something along the following against St. V.....
-----Wood--------Zardes------
---Nagbe---Dempsey----Bedoya---
------------Jones------------
--Fabian---Brooks---Cameron--Yedlin-
-------------Guzan------------
Subs: Pulisic for Dempsey, Kitchen/Williams for Jones, Villafana for Fabian or Miazga for Cameron

skangles
DC
Post #23
Tuesday June 28, 2016 12:33am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,447
Original post from Dave

IMO we're likely to see more risk in player selection against St. Vincent than we will against T&T. St. V will bunker and try and hit us on the counter while T&T is going to be more of a back and forth game. For this reason I think we'll see something along the following against St. V.....
-Wood-Zardes-
-Nagbe-Dempsey-Bedoya-
--Jones--
-Fabian-Brooks-Cameron-Yedlin-
--Guzan--
Subs: Pulisic for Dempsey, Kitchen/Williams for Jones, Villafana for Fabian or Miazga for Cameron


I would argue that we are more likely to see experimentation against T&T depending on the qualification math. Guatemala is still very much nipping at our heels and could overtake us and kill our World Cup two years early. I think Juergen should and will start his best 11 against St Vincent. Lesson learned from the last cycle when it took some Alan Gordon magic to get a result against Antigua and Barbuda, we can't assume anything away against Caribbean minnows.

That said your roster looks fine but I think its more likely the Clint and Zardes swap and Bradley replaces Nagbe and drops back.

MSantoine
Post #24
Tuesday June 28, 2016 1:28am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Dave

IMO we're likely to see more risk in player selection against St. Vincent than we will against T&T. St. V will bunker and try and hit us on the counter while T&T is going to be more of a back and forth game. For this reason I think we'll see something along the following against St. V.....
---Wood----Zardes---
--Nagbe--Dempsey--Bedoya--
------Jones------
-Fabian--Brooks--Cameron-Yedlin-
-------Guzan------
Subs: Pulisic for Dempsey, Kitchen/Williams for Jones, Villafana for Fabian or Miazga for Cameron


How is this a risky roster selections? That's out copa lineup with nagbe instead of Bradley. Also I forgot Bradley is suspended for the st vs game so it will be interesting to see who plays the number 6. It better not be beckerman.

Live490
Texas
Post #25
Tuesday June 28, 2016 1:36am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
This is a good timing to incorporate players who can or will take over people like Wondo, Zusi, Beckerman, and who ever you all think should not be there. Bring in people that are having good seasons. Maybe a Manneh if eligible. Find that leftback so we can get Fabjo up top. I have not followed MLS much this season so i do not know who is in good form seeing them. But i do go on the mls site. How's Bruin for a chance? Sapong? Would you all be ok if Beasley and let's say a Vincent were called in? So Vincent could learn from Beasley during these qualifiers. Or whoever seems like the LB for the future.

skangles
DC
Post #26
Tuesday June 28, 2016 2:16am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,447
Between the final two games of the third round and the first two games of the Hex we phased out Bocanegra, Goodson, Parkhurst and Gomez + Dolo's injury. Don't be surprised if we see a lot of changes to the team next spring.

Dave
Post #27
Tuesday June 28, 2016 2:42am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,008
Original post from skangles

I would argue that we are more likely to see experimentation against T&T depending on the qualification math. Guatemala is still very much nipping at our heels and could overtake us and kill our World Cup two years early. I think Juergen should and will start his best 11 against St Vincent. Lesson learned from the last cycle when it took some Alan Gordon magic to get a result against Antigua and Barbuda, we can't assume anything away against Caribbean minnows.

That said your roster looks fine but I think its more likely the Clint and Zardes swap and Bradley replaces Nagbe and drops back.


Bradley will be suspended for the match against St. Vincent, hence my putting Jones as a sweeping CM and starting Nagbe on the left. With the amount of possession we'll have the team will actually look more like a 4-3-3 than a 4-1-3-2. Dempsey will float around trying to find holes while Wood & Zardes will apply the high pressure whenever we lose possession.
The starting XI will mostly be the Copa starters in order to secure the points as quickly as possible. Once we have a strangle hold on the game (halftime) only then will the coaches experiment with players like Miazga, Villafana, or others.

skangles
DC
Post #28
Tuesday June 28, 2016 3:12am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,447
Original post from Dave

Bradley will be suspended for the match against St. Vincent, hence my putting Jones as a sweeping CM and starting Nagbe on the left. With the amount of possession we'll have the team will actually look more like a 4-3-3 than a 4-1-3-2. Dempsey will float around trying to find holes while Wood & Zardes will apply the high pressure whenever we lose possession.
The starting XI will mostly be the Copa starters in order to secure the points as quickly as possible. Once we have a strangle hold on the game (halftime) only then will the coaches experiment with players like Miazga, Villafana, or others.


Ah I forgot about Bradley's suspension. Then yes, let's roll out this lineup.

chillguy1992
Post #29
Tuesday June 28, 2016 4:27am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
Original post from skangles

Between the final two games of the third round and the first two games of the Hex we phased out Bocanegra, Goodson, Parkhurst and Gomez + Dolo's injury. Don't be surprised if we see a lot of changes to the team next spring.


Wondo Beckerman Howard would be my picks. Other then those 3 guys Castillo Zusi Orozco JJ are the only other ones that might get dropped. Everyone else I feel pretty comfortable in unless injuries or a game changing player comes out of the woodwork.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #30
Tuesday June 28, 2016 7:42am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,521
I'm with Skangles, the away game with St. Vincent will be no walk in the park. The minnows always have crappy rutty fields... The great equalizer...we always seem to struggle just getting the ball under foot...can't connect passes... always seems to be windy as hell...resorts to very ugly physical boom ball games... Give me experienced players that can deal with all the weirdness and a tall box forward....totally different situation than the T&T game. Much easier to give a look to some of the younger technical guys at home on a good field against T&T.

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