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MSantoine
Post #76
Monday June 20, 2016 7:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Live490

Not the thread but i had mentioned and hoped that Bradley could make a move back to Europe and was laughed at. Apparently Sampdoria are interested in him. Great move if it were to happen. Anything to Europe top 4 league for him till 2018. After i dont care.


Would be awesome. Definitely wish Bradley stayed in Serie A. Seemed to have won a spot with Roma and could have got some Champions League matches had he stayed.

Live490
Texas
Post #77
Monday June 20, 2016 8:20pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,175
And he wqs great with thr team before, Chievo? It would be an awesome move before Rusia to reup his game.

Know Nothing
Post #78
Monday June 20, 2016 10:15pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,779
@usagunner and @MSantoine

Playing a defensive formation in certain circumstances is not defeatist...and quite frankly yes we won 2 of the three games we played in that formation, but it was because we were more clinical with our chances than the opposition...nothing more. We only bossed the Costa Rica game and only then after they got demoralized at 2-0.

In 1995 it was fine to roll the dice...we were a young side playing away and not expected to do well in the Copa. This is different. We are playing at home, our side is better and perhaps we can prove we can play a tactical game as well.

The bottom line for me is we have reached our stated goal. Normally in this situation I would say have a go toe to toe with them. But a thrashing may undo all the positives that have been gained in this tournament, so I say play for the respectable scoreline. A huge defeat would be the thing that people remember, not the fact we won our group and made the semis as the last CONCACAF team standing.

If this was Texas Hold-em Poker, I would say we are not holding the best cards. Best to keep checking and to save as many chips as possible to see what the flop brings.

hamsamwich
Post #79
Monday June 20, 2016 10:36pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,313
We tried to play open against Belgium and somehow almost got away with it. Argentina has better and more dangerous players and it would not be wise to try the same thing. It's just 90'+ and then pks. A 1-1 or a 0-0 is a lofty goal, but one we should shoot for.

Jzaval01
Post #80
Monday June 20, 2016 11:43pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
have to play counter football. Argentina defense is the only weakness and if we can keep a 0-0 long enough well find more space at the back

Jzaval01
Post #81
Tuesday June 21, 2016 12:02am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
-wondering if its yedlin or fabian johnson that will be pushed up if Besler plays LB.
-Have to save pulisic as a super sub we dont have much subs left with the suspensions on the attack. If we do go down.
-Dempsey has to continue to be allowed to drop back he isnt a target forwatd

Zardes-Dempsey
Fabian-Beckerman-Bradley-Nagbe/Zusi
Besler-Brooks-Cameron-Yedlin

TheTruth
Post #82
Tuesday June 21, 2016 12:06am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 954
No. Need to push it from the beginning. Mainly because we have 2 extra days rest. Just like we pushed Ecuador from the beginning (with 1 extra day's rest).

I'd be shocked if we play defensively and conservative in the first 30 minutes. Honestly, our best hope is to run them into the ground. If by some miracle we go up a goal or it's tied late then obviously we completely change.

And yes it's possible regardless of how we play that we lose 3-0, although couldn't see 7-0 because US doesn't give up and Argentina will get tired.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #83
Tuesday June 21, 2016 2:22am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,533
You never know with JK, but I'm guessing he will try to absorb Argentina's pressure in the first half. Assuming they will throw the kitchen sink at us early...trying to get up on us before they potentially start to wear down a little later in the game. I agree with Skangles, two extra days rest for us is quite a big deal...to the point of being unfair.. I think their back line is susceptible and on just two days rest, they odds are even better for us. Hopefully we can keep the score tight through the first 60-70 min...and then try to hit them with Pulisic on quick counters.

I'm very curious what we plan to do defensively with Messi...he basically roves wherever he pleases causing overloads,,,especially out on the flanks. It will be a compact multiple player effort to slow him down. I think we'll keep the middle stacked and let him have outside space. I keep harping on Cam at Dmid for this one paired with MB. I don't think a Dred/MB pairing can slow him down without a ton of fouling near our box. Kind of maddening dealing with Messi...he draws so many players to close his space...He'll wait for us to commit numbers and then quickly find any number of stellar open teammates moving into space. Damned if you do, damned if you don't....I think we'll make a surge late to make it a real nailbiter...hoping for something special at the end...

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #84
Tuesday June 21, 2016 3:16am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 344
I think at this point we reached our goal, won the group, advanced to Semis, Mexico lost 7-0 nil and we are playing one of the best teams in the world if not the best, my would have a different approach if we were playing Mexico or Ecuador but we are not- I would rather see us lose 3 or 4 nil while trying to take the game to them, then us lose 2 nil and we are sitting back playing defense.

I agree with alot of the posts on here. I would love to see us pressure the hell out of them for 30 mins try and wear them down and play physical, push for an early goal and lead into half, THEN play defense. But what the heck lets go for a win...

- Zardes -
Dempsey -
Fab - Nagbe - Zusi
- Bradley -
Besler - Brooks - Cam - Yedlin
- Guzan

I love KB but he is going to be a step behind in this game, If we get up bring in Kitchen, and hell maybe Beckerman as well. Stinks woods is out, he would have been a big help.

USA USA USA
Stoked
skangles
DC
Post #85
Tuesday June 21, 2016 3:34am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,448
I know Juergen made a big deal before the Ecuador game about how we need to get past always playing the role of underdog and in that situation I can see where he was coming from but we play the underdog role as well as anyone and tomorrow we are legitimate underdogs.

Here's what we have going for us:

1) Home field advantage
2) 4 days rest vs 2 days rest
3) The never say die American attitude

Argentina is playing like the best team in the world right now and they should win and if they do so be it. But out of all the teams in the world that shouldn't be able to compete with them, I'll definitely take my chances with the US as the underdogs.

Jzaval01
Post #86
Tuesday June 21, 2016 4:59am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Original post from skangles

I know Juergen made a big deal before the Ecuador game about how we need to get past always playing the role of underdog and in that situation I can see where he was coming from but we play the underdog role as well as anyone and tomorrow we are legitimate underdogs.

Here's what we have going for us:

1) Home field advantage
2) 4 days rest vs 2 days rest
3) The never say die American attitude

Argentina is playing like the best team in the world right now and they should win and if they do so be it. But out of all the teams in the world that shouldn't be able to compete with them, I'll definitely take my chances with the US as the underdogs.


how much will the "home field advantage" be for us? I mean its messi and everyone wants to see him

MSantoine
Post #87
Tuesday June 21, 2016 11:13am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Know Nothing

@usagunner and @MSantoine

Playing a defensive formation in certain circumstances is not defeatist...and quite frankly yes we won 2 of the three games we played in that formation, but it was because we were more clinical with our chances than the opposition...nothing more. We only bossed the Costa Rica game and only then after they got demoralized at 2-0.

In 1995 it was fine to roll the dice...we were a young side playing away and not expected to do well in the Copa. This is different. We are playing at home, our side is better and perhaps we can prove we can play a tactical game as well.

The bottom line for me is we have reached our stated goal. Normally in this situation I would say have a go toe to toe with them. But a thrashing may undo all the positives that have been gained in this tournament, so I say play for the respectable scoreline. A huge defeat would be the thing that people remember, not the fact we won our group and made the semis as the last CONCACAF team standing.

If this was Texas Hold-em Poker, I would say we are not holding the best cards. Best to keep checking and to save as many chips as possible to see what the flop brings.


I have no problem playing defensive. Whay I dont want to see is Beckerman and Zusi in there with Bradley moved up. Its more than obvious that we've played better with Bradley as the deepest midfielder. Its also more than obvious that Beckerman is a slow turn who just fouls guys to stop attacks. That style will bite us hard against Argentina. If Beckerman starts I guarentee they score an early goal that is traced back to him. Im ok with Zusi starting but if he and Bradley are your creative midfielders we're in for a long night. I see it as one of those there's defensive changes that can/should be made, probably 3-4 things that can be done to sit back more. I dont want us to do all of them, just 1-2 of them.

hamsamwich
Post #88
Tuesday June 21, 2016 2:41pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,313
The creative mid should be Fabian "I start in attack in the champions league" Johnson.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #89
Tuesday June 21, 2016 3:25pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
I don't have a problem with being in a defensive formation or hitting them on the counterattack. That was actually part of my thing that I said we will need to do. When we have chances we have to strike fast and open up space for Dempsey.

2 more things I have thought about:
1-With Messi playing a free roaming type position, sure it will overload when they are in attack. But if we hit them on the counter quickly it will leave some open spaces for Dempsey to exploit. Messi playing free and roaming and not being positionally sound will put even more pressure on their backline, so if Zardes can continually get behind them and stretch them, with the added space created from Messi roaming, there could potentially be a LOAD of space for Dempsey to exploit. Dempsey is dangerous with space. That could end up working out in our favor. Messi roaming if we can remain compact and positionally aware and our backline +DM can get some takeaways and immediately get started in the attack.

2-With the lack of rest that Argentina has between the 2 games, with us having 2 extra days of rest AND with at least 4 of our starters (almost half) not starting the last game (and thus not starting/playing a game for 10 days. That's a LOT of rest. This will be Argentina's 3rd game in 8 days. The majority of their guys have started every game or played the majority of the minutes (even Messi played 45' against Bolivia). SO there is definitely something to the theory of running Argentina into the ground in the first half. That doesn't mean we have to attack. We can counter and just play quick and pressure them everywhere. Don't let them have any time wasting slow build up. Pressure them everywhere make them move the ball and have to move. Then when we do get the ball Hit them FAST and hit them with long balls, make them run. Then somewhere around the 60' mark you put in some more fresh legs and continue to run them. There should be lots of space and we should get some good chances. We will just need to put those chances in.
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Rey Regicide
Post #90
Tuesday June 21, 2016 3:32pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Zardes is a guy i'm sometimes too harsh on, today is potentially a game where he will come in handy. Pulisic can utilize his speed as well.

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