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navi8132
New York
Post #1
Friday June 17, 2016 3:24pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Yes, this will be the game, 99%.

Tricky game, very similar to the 2009 Confederation Cup semifinal of USMNT V SPAIN. So how did we win that game? Tight defense and effective countering. Who can lead such a thing? Fabian in left midfield, Nagbe in central, Zusi in right mid, Zardes and Dempsey up top, and Wondo on the bench to never come in the game. Pulisic is very good on the counter, and should be a sub (if we need a goal), in the ~65-70th minute. Besler and Yedlin will be fine as fullbacks. Bradley must be DM, and he will have a tough task of shielding the backline and distributing. We really are not going to see too much of the ball in the final third. It may be close, but I think Argentina is currently the best national team in the world.

navi8132
New York
Post #2
Friday June 17, 2016 3:40pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
*** Have been told that Wood is not out of upcoming game bc yellows get expunged after the quarterfinal. Praise the lord! Ok, same lineup above, but remove Zardes and put Wood in his place. Look, Fabian is simply better than Zardes. Hell, so is Zusi and Nagbe. Play your best hand.

----Wood-Dempsey
Fabian---Nagbe----Zusi
------Bradley
Besler--Brooks--Cameron-- Yedlin.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #3
Friday June 17, 2016 3:44pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
We need to get Speed on the field. That is one place where we can have a big advantage on Argentina. They aren't the fastest team.

I'd love to see this:
Pulisic - Dempsey - Zardes
Nagbe - Bradley (DM) - Zusi
FabJo - Brooks - Cameron - Yedlin

FabJo and Yedlin at Fullbacks can really stretch their defenders on the counter and get in the attack quickly as well as have the speed to get back and defend.

Bradley is a very good DM when he is asked to defend and make long passes to hit on the counter. He sucks when trying to slowly build and with shorter passes. But on those long passes to people making runs, he is very good.
Zusi and Nagbe are 2 way players that can help defender and keep possession in the attack.

Pulisic and Zardes are both guys that can make runs with speed and get behind a defense and stretch it, opening up room for Dempsey.

I do think that is a lineup that can beat Argentina if played well.
Messi will play centrally and we will need to have the middle clogged up and not give him space, thus a 4-4-2 won't be as effective.

We have done quite well with teams attacking in the center so far this tournament. The things that have disrupted us and put the most pressure on us is wide attacks. Look at Colombia, Bacca was neutralized. James Rodriquez was dangerous all night when he would go to the outside not so much centrally. Campbell for CR was only dangerous from the outside (still very limited), Paraguay and Ecuador were dangerous out wide, not inside.

I'll take a lot of the Wings we have played thus far over Di Maria (who is a good player and not to be taken lightly), Gaitan, Lavezzi, and Lamela. Good players no doubt. But Rodriguez, Valencia, Montero, Cuadrado, and Cardona is a better group.

The key will be Brooks, Cameron, and Bradley. If they can clog the middle and not allow Higuain/Aguero and Messi a lot of space then we will have a shot. If those 3 (possible even 1 of them) have a bad game then it will be a long night. We HAVE to clog up the middle.
One reason why Beckerman might not be a bad option this game (I still like Bradley more). For one he will do what is needed (stay home, not give them space) and his weakness of facing athletic players that he can't keep up with won't be much of an issue against Argentina. They aren't the most athletic team. Just very good.
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navi8132
New York
Post #4
Friday June 17, 2016 3:51pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
My mistake, I was right the first time, Wood is not eligible to play Semifinal game. Zardes back in his slot...

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #5
Friday June 17, 2016 4:31pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,160
Original post from navi8132

My mistake, I was right the first time, Wood is not eligible to play Semifinal game. Zardes back in his slot...


I blame @phaserstopun on Twitter for trolling so effectively and tricking so many people

TheTruth
Post #6
Friday June 17, 2016 4:49pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Well, home field again, extra day's rest again. . . we do have a chance.

skangles
DC
Post #7
Friday June 17, 2016 4:55pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,446
Biggest story from a neutral perspective is the atrocious scheduling going into this Semi final game on Tuesday.

So the winner of US/Ecuador that was played on a Thursday faces the winner of Argentina/Venezuela played on a Saturday? So we get 4 days rest and they get 2 days? Seems fair.

Honestly if we win that will be the main storyline. Argentina will blame the schedule.

Dave
Post #8
Friday June 17, 2016 5:20pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,003
If we play Argentina and considering we'll have 2 extra days of rest I think we'll see a 4-2-3-1 formation in order to clog up the passing lanes defensively while trying to counter with speed when we get a chance. Depending on who JK goes with at LB will determine how the rest of XI unfolds. What I think we'll see JK do is something along the following:
-------------Zardes-----------
--Nagbe-----Dempsey-------Zusi--
------Beckerman----Bradley-------
-Fabian---Brooks---Cameron---Yedlin-
-------------Guzan------------

Subs: Kitchen for Beckerman @ 60 min mark, Pulisic for Zusi @ 70 min mark
If Besler is LB than push Fabian up to replace Nagbe in the starting XI.

I could also see JK rolling out a 5-3-2 formation in order to frustrate Argentina. We'd sit really deep and hope that Dempsey can create something from nothing.

--------Dempsey------Zardes-------
----Nagbe-----Bradley-----Zusi------
-FJ---Besler----Brooks---Cameron--Yedlin-

jtsccr12
Post #9
Friday June 17, 2016 5:55pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 94
I'd go with

------Guzan
Yedlin-Cam-Brooks-Besler
--Bradley-Beckerman
------Nagbe
Zardes-Dempsey-Fabian

and play for the counter.

Sage of the Soccer P
LA, California
Post #10
Friday June 17, 2016 6:07pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 222
I'm seeing 3 CB line formations. No thank you. I don't want to be at home thinking we need to sit back and hope for a counter. I want to put out an attacking set of guys. If we go down I wanna go down swinging. Better yet, I want to attempt to beat Argentina. Sticking to a system that we know and has gotten us here is important to the confidence of the team. Immediately changing everything sends the wrong message to the players. 433 that can become the 4132 is fine by me.
----Guzan
Yed cam brooks fjo
----Bradley
--zusi---nagbe
Zard--demp-pulisic

I also would mind pushing Fabian up and slotting in besler.

Everyone freaks out. And yes it's Argentina. They are my pick to win the tourney also but damnit I want to win this game and that's not gonna happen with more CBs or sitting back. I hope klinsmann has faith in these guys and actually goes for it. Some of you will read this and say "yeah and then we lose". I say sure, but what if we win?

Sage of the Soccer P
LA, California
Post #11
Friday June 17, 2016 6:10pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 222
Also, crazier stuff has happened, so I'm not counting Venezuela. They have had an amazing tournament so far. Which begs the question, how different would all these line ups be if we were facing them? Mine stays the same.

Live490
Texas
Post #12
Friday June 17, 2016 6:31pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
Anyone hear how Donovan would say "Jurgen told us this morning" often during the game? Has he made peace with JK? If so, i think that's great because both of them can really help out the program, especially now that JK is using somewhat of a consistent line-up. Man oh man.

andylui8
Post #13
Friday June 17, 2016 8:32pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 467
66K tickets sold so far for Copa America Centenario semifinal according to Houston Texans president (tweet in Spanish)

https://twitter.com/umartinez/status/74388299...

coverby
Post #14
Friday June 17, 2016 8:46pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
Original post from Live490

Anyone hear how Donovan would say "Jurgen told us this morning" often during the game? Has he made peace with JK? If so, i think that's great because both of them can really help out the program, especially now that JK is using somewhat of a consistent line-up. Man oh man.


I also wonder if he has made nice with Garber since the US soccer media has been much nicer to him especially Garber's propaganda wing MLSsoccer.com

TheTruth
Post #15
Friday June 17, 2016 8:49pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Lando learned a lot several years ago when he ripped into David Beckham in a book written by Grant Wahl. Remember, he never developed normal social skills like you and I. He didn't go to normal high schools; he was always playing soccer.

When Juergy cut him for the WC Lando didn't say anything public about it.

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