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Post #376
Wednesday February 8, 2017 6:06pm

Joined Apr 2013
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Original post from bjelks

Good question, Brad Guzan has plenty of caps.
If Cam is healthy, I slide him in at CB.

I think the American soccer public puts too much value in experience and not enough on talent. For example, JK often picked guys like Beckerman, Wondo, and Alan Gordon who had lots of experience and very limited talent.
Experience isn't helpful when your physically and technically inferior.


Maybe Gold Cup is the time to clean house and start all newbies up and down the chain.

bjelks
Post #377
Wednesday February 8, 2017 7:06pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 276
@dfw_fan Perhaps if we don't start playing our BETTER PLAYERS now, we'll be out of contention for WC by the time GC comes around.

I frankly do not understand the fear of playing younger players if the eye test and their current form tells you're they're better.

No matter how much experience Bradley, Bedoya, Zusi, Jozy, Gonzo, Feilhaber, Dax have, they're mediocre players period. They play too slow, they're physically too slow, they can't play 1v1, they lack offensive play making ability.
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Know Nothing
Post #378
Wednesday February 8, 2017 7:40pm

Joined Jan 2013
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I think you all are not understanding my comment...I did not say experience, I said leadership. Someone on the pitch who will rally the team when needed...call out players that aren't getting it done.

I'm not saying Bradley deserves his spot without question, but from what I have seen, he is the closest thing to a leader the team has (which may be another issue for this team).

The one thing experience does give you is a bit of confidence in situations. Yes, the player may be inferior and playing slower, but he is not making as many costly mistakes. If you are playing faster but not very confidently then you are prone to make mistakes faster.

I ask this question...why does Arsenal always fail to win the title when they have as good, if not better, group of young fast playing players? When they click they look awesome but when things get tough there is nobody to rally them and they end up laying fast and making mistakes faster.

bjelks
Post #379
Wednesday February 8, 2017 9:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 276
Good question @Know Nothing. I would say that Arsenal lacks leadership and mental toughness. For this reason, I would be fine with keeping J. Jones, Cam, or Bradley on the field.

However, I do not think it is effective to have Bradley and J. Jones on the field at the same time. They have very similar playing styles and occupy the same space.

I prefer Cam if healthy at CB. I think once Carter-Vickers and Miazga start getting regular minutes, they should be competing for starting CB job.
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dfw_fan
DfW
Post #380
Wednesday February 8, 2017 9:31pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 841
Original post from bjelks

@dfw_fan Perhaps if we don't start playing our BETTER PLAYERS now, we'll be out of contention for WC by the time GC comes around.

I frankly do not understand the fear of playing younger players if the eye test and their current form tells you're they're better.

No matter how much experience Bradley, Bedoya, Zusi, Jozy, Gonzo, Feilhaber, Dax have, they're mediocre players period. They play too slow, they're physically too slow, they can't play 1v1, they lack offensive play making ability.


How many mental lapses does Gonzo have which eventually bleed to a goal?
I think Bedoya is a glue for the mid-field, the rest I agree need a jolt. Feilhaber is just a little bit whiney little kid

Original post from bjelks

Good question @Know Nothing. I would say that Arsenal lacks leadership and mental toughness. For this reason, I would be fine with keeping J. Jones, Cam, or Bradley on the field.

However, I do not think it is effective to have Bradley and J. Jones on the field at the same time. They have very similar playing styles and occupy the same space.

I prefer Cam if healthy at CB. I think once Carter-Vickers and Miazga start getting regular minutes, they should be competing for starting CB job.


Agree about Jones, I wonder how much undue pressure Bradely puts on himself being a captain, I always feel that role is ill fitting in his shoes, probably should revert back to Clint or Jones.

We definitely need our man Chandler who is on the 3rd best team in BuLi

bjelks
Post #381
Wednesday February 8, 2017 10:05pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 276
In regards to Bedoya, I have problem with wingers especially who can't play 1v1.

One of our biggest problems in Copa America, is that we didn't have wingers who could get behind and force the other teams' wingers to defend.

For that reason, I rate Arriola, Gooch, Ltteget higher than him. We also need to cap-tie Josh Perez.

I don't think the pressure Bradley puts on himself is the issue. I think his inability to recover against speedier teams, inability to keep the ball under pressure, or play the ball out of the back are the problems.

I absolutely love Clint, but if we are moving forward with Wood who is lighting up Bundesliga and Julian who is on the rise, where do we play him.
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Dave
Post #382
Thursday February 9, 2017 2:20am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 605
There is a fine line when trying to balance between experience and youthful talent. Some of the things JK did well was to test a number of young talented players (Green, Gooch, Pulisic, Miazga, Wood, Rubin, etc...). Some players worked out while others fell to the wayside. Unfortunately he also held onto Older players longer than he should have (Wondo, Beckerman, Gordon, etc...). Bruce did the same thing back in 2002 & 2006....used young players his first cycle, but kept older players past their sell-by date in his 2nd cycle. This is one of the reasons why I believe it's important to turn over the coaching staff after 1 cycle.
There is a time and place to experiment with new/young/inexperienced players. And generally speaking that time is during Friendlies and once advancements in competitions have been reached. That's why I believe that during tournaments it's important that Roster spot 20-23 be used for young talent (Green in 2014) and not Over the Hill players like Davis & Wondo (2014).
However, since we are in such a hole, I fully expect Bruce to continue to lean on older players like Jones, Bedoya, Howard and the like until we've qualified for Russia. Than try and replace the Old Folks with the best options available.
Whoever the next USMNT manager is (Hopefully not Bruce after 2018) there'll be a nice pool of young talent to pull from in order to replace all those who've been under performing or Aging out. I expect Bradley, Cameron, Bedoya, Zusi, Guzan, Gonzo, Kljestan, Williams, Morales, etc... to retire from the international game.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #383
Thursday February 9, 2017 5:51am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,042
For the camp I think Lleget boosted his stock the most....biggest potential to help the nats...specifically as an 8.

bjelks
Post #384
Thursday February 9, 2017 7:05pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 276
@Dave Why do you feel playing the same people that put you in the hole will produce better results with a different coach?
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Dave
Post #385
Friday February 10, 2017 2:58am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 605
Original post from bjelks

@Dave Why do you feel playing the same people that put you in the hole will produce better results with a different coach?


I don't necessarily think playing the same people w/ a different coach will achieve better results. However, I do believe....
1) Bruce will stick with a more predictable formation/squad than JK did.
2) Bruce will not introduce many new players until we are closer to qualifying.
3) The same players are going to be playing against weaker opposition than they played in the first 2 games. Which should give them a chance to obtain better results.

The players I'd personally like to see called into camps is significantly different than the players I think Bruce will actually call in. If you look at Bruce's history he has almost always preferred Veteran/Experienced Players over youth/inexperienced players. This was true when he was the coach of the National Team...and continued when he was w/ the Galaxy.

Look at the quad that he called into the January camp. Did he choose a bunch of young exciting player in to evaluate? No. He called in a bunch of "Old Guys" like DMB, Marshall, Zusi, Evans, Jones, Bedoya, Pontous, Feilhaber, Kljestan, McCarty, Rimando, Wondo). Bruce isn't going to bring in all new/different players than JK used....he's jut going to be more structured in how he deploys & uses them.

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