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USAGunner
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Post #16
Wednesday June 8, 2016 2:40pm

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I'm fine with the year after World Cups having the individual Confederation championships (Copa America and Gold Cup), Then the year after is the Joint Tournament The same year as the Euro's.

Use the individual Confed Championships as the qualifiers for the Joint Tournament. Have it 8 and 8. 8 teams from each Confederation.

Chile
Argentina
Peru
Paraguay
Brazil
Colombia
Bolivia
Uruguay

Mexico
Jamaica
Panama
USA
Costa Rica
Trinidad
Haiti
Cuba
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USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #17
Wednesday June 8, 2016 2:53pm

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FYI
39k and 42k in last nights games. Still seeing very good numbers.

The issue is playing in such big stadiums.
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MSantoine
Post #18
Wednesday June 8, 2016 4:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from USAGunner

I'm fine with the year after World Cups having the individual Confederation championships (Copa America and Gold Cup), Then the year after is the Joint Tournament The same year as the Euro's.

Use the individual Confed Championships as the qualifiers for the Joint Tournament. Have it 8 and 8. 8 teams from each Confederation.

Chile
Argentina
Peru
Paraguay
Brazil
Colombia
Bolivia
Uruguay

Mexico
Jamaica
Panama
USA
Costa Rica
Trinidad
Haiti
Cuba


If your picking 8 conmebol teams Ecuador is there. And probably Venezuela. Peru and Bolivia are by far the two worst teams right now.

And concacaf wouldn't take 4 carribean islands. Would be likely Canada and Honduras with Jamaica and one of Haiti/T&T/Cuba.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #19
Wednesday June 8, 2016 4:59pm

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Original post from MSantoine

If your picking 8 conmebol teams Ecuador is there. And probably Venezuela. Peru and Bolivia are by far the two worst teams right now.

And concacaf wouldn't take 4 carribean islands. Would be likely Canada and Honduras with Jamaica and one of Haiti/T&T/Cuba.


This was the list of the top 8 from the 2015 Copa and 2015 Gold Cup.
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skangles
DC
Post #20
Wednesday June 8, 2016 10:02pm

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Here's an easy way to settle it for Concacaf. All 8 Concacaf teams that make the Gold Cup Quarterfinals make the joint tournament the following year. That gives smaller teams a huge incentive to get out of the group and it should and an extra dynamic to the Gold Cup group stage games.

Not sure how to handle the 8 conmebol teams since they always invite guest nations to copa america which messes up the quarterfinalist method.

Know Nothing
Post #21
Wednesday June 8, 2016 10:08pm

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Make it 8 CONMEBOL, 6 CONCACAF and have a play in tourney for teams 7-8 in CONCACF and 9-10 in CONMEBOL...top two teams advance to make it 16

MSantoine
Post #22
Thursday June 9, 2016 11:28am

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What I would do is 8 and 8, but make it as follows:

CONMEBOL- Auto bids for 5 teams that make World Cup/final playoff game (pretty much guarentees Brazil, Argentina, and best of Chile/Colombia/Uruguay). Remaining 5 teams play a 2 week, 4 match group qualifying somewhere in South America (makes up for not hosting Copa, fans can still watch matches there) with top 3 also qualifying.

CONCACAF- Auto bids for teams that make hex (Mexico, US, CR should always get in as well as at least 1 Carribean nation). Then take either top 8 remaining FIFA ranked CONCACAF teams, or take the 10 teams that lost in round before hex and give them a mini tourney for last 2 spots (again let island/central america countries host, or Canada host).

Puts emphasis on teams to do well over a 4 year cycle and not a one off tourney. Also with CONCACAF qualifying set up it gives the better teams a better chance of being there, which is what we should want as no one wants to see 4 crappy CONCACAF teams get embarassed in group stages and make CONCACAF look weak as a whole

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #23
Thursday June 9, 2016 1:08pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from MSantoine

What I would do is 8 and 8, but make it as follows:

CONMEBOL- Auto bids for 5 teams that make World Cup/final playoff game (pretty much guarentees Brazil, Argentina, and best of Chile/Colombia/Uruguay). Remaining 5 teams play a 2 week, 4 match group qualifying somewhere in South America (makes up for not hosting Copa, fans can still watch matches there) with top 3 also qualifying.

CONCACAF- Auto bids for teams that make hex (Mexico, US, CR should always get in as well as at least 1 Carribean nation). Then take either top 8 remaining FIFA ranked CONCACAF teams, or take the 10 teams that lost in round before hex and give them a mini tourney for last 2 spots (again let island/central america countries host, or Canada host).

Puts emphasis on teams to do well over a 4 year cycle and not a one off tourney. Also with CONCACAF qualifying set up it gives the better teams a better chance of being there, which is what we should want as no one wants to see 4 crappy CONCACAF teams get embarassed in group stages and make CONCACAF look weak as a whole


Like Brazil 7 Haiti 1?
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MSantoine
Post #24
Thursday June 9, 2016 4:58pm

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Original post from USAGunner

Like Brazil 7 Haiti 1?


Exactly. One Haiti in the Copa is enough for me. Dont want to see 3 teams like that.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #25
Thursday June 9, 2016 7:34pm

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Numbers were down slightly last night. But considering a game featuring Haiti had 28k, can't be too down on it. The other game Peru v Ecuador in Arizona had the lowest # yet at 11k.

I would suspect that the Mexico v Jamaica game will have a big turnout. Maybe the biggest of the tournament yet (mexico in LA...nuff said). Opponent probably won't matter much.

Uruguay v Venezuela in Philadelphia probably wont be a huge number but probably 20-30k.
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MSantoine
Post #26
Thursday June 9, 2016 8:43pm

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Just for fun, The OFC Nations Cup (deciding who plays in the Confed Cup from that crap bag federation) has been underway for the last two weeks. They have the final match on Saturday (New Zealand vs Papua New Guinea who is hosting). New Zealand played 3 group stage matches and had a total attendance of 2,300 people. They had two games with 500 people in attendance. Can you imagine what that must be like? Even if each player brought 4 people with them that would be 200 right there. How can that federation get any World Cup bids. Just saw that 500 attendance number and thought how lucky we are sometimes.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #27
Friday June 10, 2016 9:48pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Original post from USAGunner

Numbers were down slightly last night. But considering a game featuring Haiti had 28k, can't be too down on it. The other game Peru v Ecuador in Arizona had the lowest # yet at 11k.

I would suspect that the Mexico v Jamaica game will have a big turnout. Maybe the biggest of the tournament yet (mexico in LA...nuff said). Opponent probably won't matter much.

Uruguay v Venezuela in Philadelphia probably wont be a huge number but probably 20-30k.


Pretty much dead on!

Uruguay v Venezuela - 25k
Mexico v Jamaica - 83k (close to a sell out and the highest of the tournament).

Probably looking at 20-30k for tonights games.
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