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MSantoine
Post #1
Tuesday June 7, 2016 5:13pm

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Not sure if there was already a topic on this but thought there should be. This would be big news. Supposedly CONMEBOL wanted to see the money/attendance numbers before offically saying yes but all signs point to USA hosting future COPA's, not just this one time. I could see either of two options, both of which I'm on board with.

Option 1) Every cycle has Gold Cup/Copa in South America which determines Confed Cup Opponent. The Gold Cup now rotates to Canada & Mexico instead of always in USA. Then the next year is the joint Copa like we have this year. Can keep it at 16 teams, change it to 8 and 8 from each confed (make Peru, Bolivia, Venezuela, Paraguay earn it).

Option 2) Eliminate individual Gold Cup/Copa and just have this joint Copa once a cycle. Expand to 20 (4 groups of 5) or 24 teams (6 groups of 4) so that the Carribean/Central American countries arent completely shut out. Would be able to have 10-14 CONCACAF teams in it, which is almost whats in Gold Cup now. Then the best result for CONCACAF & CONMEBOL would each get the Confed spot, or could do something for CONCACAF where if no CONCACAF team wins then the best two teams have a one off playoff game (increase the chance of USA vs Mexico)

Either way getting at least 2 matches against good South American teams every cycle (2-5 depending on format and results) will only be a good thing for USA

Rey Regicide
Post #2
Tuesday June 7, 2016 5:18pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Is this tournament a success? I was watching the stands in all the games, and minus the Colombia/USA game, I wasn't too impressed.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #3
Tuesday June 7, 2016 7:00pm

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Monumental success.

2015 Copa America averaged in the Group stages 21,841k people in attendance. They had 5 (out of 16 games) with more than 20k.

2016 Copa America is averaging 40,452 so far. It's had 6 out of 8 games with over 20k.

The lowest attendance for 2016 so far is 13k. The 2015 Copa America had 5 games with under that (3 of them under 10k).

So yeah. It's a huge success.
Especially since generally speaking there are more people attending the later games that become more pressure packed.

The 2015 Knockout stages averaged 37k. So the 2016 Group stages are averaging more than the 2015 knockout stages.

The 2015 Final had 45k at it (3k UNDER a sellout). The 2016 has had 4 games (HALF) that had MORE than 45k.

So again it's been a HUGE success.
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Rey Regicide
Post #4
Tuesday June 7, 2016 7:14pm

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And on top of that the advertisements, I knew that they were getting more advertisements, I didn't know how the gate was doing. OH well, that's great news then.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #5
Tuesday June 7, 2016 7:39pm

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Yeah. So far it's posting up World Cup type numbers for more than half of the games. Heck 2-3 of the games have had better attendance than the 2012 Euro final!
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dfw_fan
DfW
Post #6
Tuesday June 7, 2016 7:55pm

Joined Apr 2013
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Original post from USAGunner

Monumental success.

2015 Copa America averaged in the Group stages 21,841k people in attendance. They had 5 (out of 16 games) with more than 20k.

2016 Copa America is averaging 40,452 so far. It's had 6 out of 8 games with over 20k.

The lowest attendance for 2016 so far is 13k. The 2015 Copa America had 5 games with under that (3 of them under 10k).

So yeah. It's a huge success.
Especially since generally speaking there are more people attending the later games that become more pressure packed.

The 2015 Knockout stages averaged 37k. So the 2016 Group stages are averaging more than the 2015 knockout stages.

The 2015 Final had 45k at it (3k UNDER a sellout). The 2016 has had 4 games (HALF) that had MORE than 45k.

So again it's been a HUGE success.


Do you whats the average ticket price?
Looking like 50mm in ticketing revenue already

blaise213
Post #7
Tuesday June 7, 2016 8:15pm

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First, they need to do something about the ticket prices.....

Second, but even more important that the first, We have to have better MLS stadiums that are built for 40,000. A lot of these games could've been hosted at a 40,000 seat capacity stadium.... not everyone can draw 60 - 70 K.

@rey regicide (dude how did you up with that name?)

Corporate sponsors were all locked in a month before the tournament. They brought in some big sponsors.

MSantoine
Post #8
Tuesday June 7, 2016 8:18pm

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Also not only is the attendance more, but 20K in attendance in USA brings in way more money than 20k in attendance in Chile, Bolivia, Peru, etc.

Thrown in advertising and TV deal and its a massive increase in money

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #9
Tuesday June 7, 2016 8:48pm

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Original post from dfw_fan

Do you whats the average ticket price?
Looking like 50mm in ticketing revenue already


The cheap seats are $50.
Even if every seat was $50 you are looking at $16m right now.

But the majority of seats are $100 or more. So you are easily looking at something North of $50m so far.
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dfw_fan
DfW
Post #10
Tuesday June 7, 2016 9:11pm

Joined Apr 2013
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http://www.worldsoccer.com/features/us-crowds...

Approximate attendance is expected to be 1.5 million for 32 matches.
That would make it 210mm with an average ticket price of $140, not to include the ad and broadcast revenue stream.

And that is close to 2012 UEFA Euros

http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/...

The CONCACAF and CONMEBOL would be nuts to not take advantage of this revenue every 4 years. Lets hope that this would eliminate play to pay in US and enables more grassroots efforts in US.

SiteBomb621
Post #11
Tuesday June 7, 2016 9:17pm

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While they are at it, they might as well merge Concacaf and Conmebol into one federation and increase WC slots, if the US ever wants to get better....

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #12
Tuesday June 7, 2016 9:30pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from SiteBomb621

While they are at it, they might as well merge Concacaf and Conmebol into one federation and increase WC slots, if the US ever wants to get better....


Would be awesome if they were to do that! Never will happen tho.
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stone88
Post #13
Tuesday June 7, 2016 10:24pm

Joined Aug 2012
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I wouldn't want us to merge with conmebol, however I really like the idea that every 4 years both concacaf and conmebol come together and play for copa america. And where its hosted should switch back and forth from a conmebol country to a concacaf country everytime. This could really do wonders for both sides, influx of North American money into south america and their federations, as well as a cash cow for north american federations by playing the big boy south american teams, plus we'd get a very prestigious international tournament to take part in every 2 years, and not just every 4 with the world cup. The only difficulty I see is how to deal with the gold cup, and what would south america do for their own regional tourney?

skangles
DC
Post #14
Tuesday June 7, 2016 10:40pm

Joined Jan 2013
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I echo MSantoine's view, both options are fine by me. I just want to see a joint competition in every cycle.

MSantoine
Post #15
Wednesday June 8, 2016 12:40pm

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I think conmebol has finally started to see the light. The euro teams have severely out played them the last 3 world cups. They are making more and more money to invest which only helps them. Now uefa is about to start the uefa nations league, essentially a champs league for countries, which means conmebol nations will only get friendliest against concacaf, afc, caf teams, further increasing uefa while holding conmebol back. Conmebol is at the point, finally, where they need us and Mexico as much as we need to be involved with them. It's a win win scenario and the only way to prevent euro nations from dominating world cups going forward.

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