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Post #16
Tuesday June 7, 2016 2:06am

Joined Oct 2013
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America's style of play = A lot of talented individuals with no cohesion. If you look at the experience and some of the clubs our current roster has played at. We should be a lot better on the field than we are.

Dave
Post #17
Tuesday June 7, 2016 3:42am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,002
@USAGunner - Agree that the generation of players we should be relying on (Bradley, Cameron, Jozy, Feilhaber, Kljestan, Nguyen, etc....) have not contributed as much or as many players to the current team as they should have. Be it due to injuries (Jozy & Holden), coaches decisions (Benny), or other reasons....the situation is what it is. That generation wasn't able to really step up their level of play beyond general role players and the last of Dempsey's generation (Dempsey, Jones, Howard, & Beckerman) have been holding on like rabid dogs.

IMO The big issue with the US is that we rarely produce more than 3-6 truly quality players per player generation. The rest of the team has always been a combination of young starlets, aging veterans, and athletic role players.

However, the generation behind Bradley's is where we really lost out. This is the generation which has created the greatest hole in the player pool. The generation of Shea, Morales, Gyau, Gatt, Kitchen, Agudelo, Boyd, Adu, etc... has failed to produce a single player (yet) that is contributing to the Sr. Side. This was suppose to be the generation that replaced Dempsey's and have failed to do so.

I spoke of the future players because some of the players already contributing to the national team are from the generation behind Shea's. These are the players who'll replace Bradley's generation....and already Brooks, Morris, Rubin, and Pulisic have made positive inroads into the Sr. Side. With players like Horvath, Miazga, Arriola, Hyndman, Zelalem CCV, Perez and others knocking at the door. If a couple things brake right (good 2016-17 club seasons) we could easily see any number of them play significant roles during the Hex and the World Cup.

Yes things may be a little bleak right now (this tournament), but a bright future isn't as far away as many may think. This is why I was disappointed to see so many "Old Dogs" on the Copa squad (Orozco, Beckerman, Wondo) when we (IMO) should have brought younger options to prepare for the future.

Jzaval01
Post #18
Tuesday June 7, 2016 3:50am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Original post from USAGunner

We have 1 Guy who starts in Bundesliga in attack in 2015-16. ONE.
You really want to compare that to Costa Rica or most anyone else?

How many CBs we have and Defenders we have is irrelevant in talking about having a sufficient attack. We just don't have those players to try and play that way.


Costa Rica is not better than us cmon... Joel Campbell is a quality attacker but that about it and seeing from him last game he struggled.

federov
Post #19
Tuesday June 7, 2016 6:09am

Joined Dec 2014
Total Posts: 97
I think this has been said before but most concerning for me the lack of cohesion on both ends of the ball. We can't play the one-twos properly and set up supported, calm possession in an around the opponent's final third. Everyone seems to be making the wrong run, or taking the wrong touch, or not finding the right pass. It's infuriating to watch, and I think part of it is On JK for not building cohesion within the squad but I also think it's just the natural talent that these guys have never achieved and will never achieve.

On the defensive side, we never seem to press as a team well. Put the blame there where you wish (JK's lack of tactical knowledge, Deuce's laziness, etc.) but we just cannot force the opponent into turnovers or thwart their progress as a team. Teams that are trained in this manner press as a unit when they don't have the ball- and we just don't seem to get that.

Rey Regicide
Post #20
Tuesday June 7, 2016 11:42am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from federov

I think this has been said before but most concerning for me the lack of cohesion on both ends of the ball. We can't play the one-twos properly and set up supported, calm possession in an around the opponent's final third. Everyone seems to be making the wrong run, or taking the wrong touch, or not finding the right pass. It's infuriating to watch, and I think part of it is On JK for not building cohesion within the squad but I also think it's just the natural talent that these guys have never achieved and will never achieve.

On the defensive side, we never seem to press as a team well. Put the blame there where you wish (JK's lack of tactical knowledge, Deuce's laziness, etc.) but we just cannot force the opponent into turnovers or thwart their progress as a team. Teams that are trained in this manner press as a unit when they don't have the ball- and we just don't seem to get that.


do you play basketball or hockey?

MSantoine
Post #21
Tuesday June 7, 2016 12:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Dave

@USAGunner - Agree that the generation of players we should be relying on (Bradley, Cameron, Jozy, Feilhaber, Kljestan, Nguyen, etc....) have not contributed as much or as many players to the current team as they should have. Be it due to injuries (Jozy & Holden), coaches decisions (Benny), or other reasons....the situation is what it is. That generation wasn't able to really step up their level of play beyond general role players and the last of Dempsey's generation (Dempsey, Jones, Howard, & Beckerman) have been holding on like rabid dogs.

IMO The big issue with the US is that we rarely produce more than 3-6 truly quality players per player generation. The rest of the team has always been a combination of young starlets, aging veterans, and athletic role players.

However, the generation behind Bradley's is where we really lost out. This is the generation which has created the greatest hole in the player pool. The generation of Shea, Morales, Gyau, Gatt, Kitchen, Agudelo, Boyd, Adu, etc... has failed to produce a single player (yet) that is contributing to the Sr. Side. This was suppose to be the generation that replaced Dempsey's and have failed to do so.

I spoke of the future players because some of the players already contributing to the national team are from the generation behind Shea's. These are the players who'll replace Bradley's generation....and already Brooks, Morris, Rubin, and Pulisic have made positive inroads into the Sr. Side. With players like Horvath, Miazga, Arriola, Hyndman, Zelalem CCV, Perez and others knocking at the door. If a couple things brake right (good 2016-17 club seasons) we could easily see any number of them play significant roles during the Hex and the World Cup.

Yes things may be a little bleak right now (this tournament), but a bright future isn't as far away as many may think. This is why I was disappointed to see so many "Old Dogs" on the Copa squad (Orozco, Beckerman, Wondo) when we (IMO) should have brought younger options to prepare for the future.


To me its no wonder we have this wide gap from the "old guard" to the "new guard". 2012 missed Olympics- These guys should be our core now as they are in the 25-27 yr range.
2013 U20 World Cup- Demolished and embarrased. These guys should be ready to break in as they are now 22-23 yr olds. Clearly wasnt a lot of talent on this squad. Other than Yedlin none have broken through (maybe Acosta will but he was there for experience, not to play).
2011 U20 World Cup- Failed to qualify- These are the same core guys who missed Olympics. Again this group of players should have been our core today.
2009 U20 World Cup- Lost in group stage. Beat Cameroon but lost 3-0 to both Germany & South Korea. Another clearly overmatched group. These guys are now all 25-27. Made the rest of our failed 2012 Olympic group. These are the rest of our 24-27 year olds that should be our core. Mix has most appearances of this group and only he, & Shea got any real looks with US team.

Is it all that surprising considering that we had an "empty" generation? Now the last U20 group looked pretty good, and hopes are high for next years U20 team so perhaps we are turning the corner. We wont really know for another 4 years but thats really when we'll find out.

Rey Regicide
Post #22
Tuesday June 7, 2016 1:13pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Nguyen should have been there this whole time, dude went to Vietnam. But he was in our squad with Michael Bradley at age 20.

Rossi

Subotic

Ibisevic

I mean yes, those three guys chose different teams, but think about it we're getting those converts now. That's a TOTALLY different team with them on board.

Beckerman was in fact serviceable. Copa America 07 and the Gold Cup 09 weren't flattering results, but I don't think you could have attributed it to him. Becks should have been our holding this whole time, not Ricardo.

Adu Mix Corona Shea Opara Agboussomonde, Gyua is close to not being a full matriculated player, Renken, Carlos Martinez, all those guys pooped

Edu never panned out like we thought he would

Dax should have been there

Feilhaber should have been there

Alot of these were Bob Bradley's decisions. We have to live with them, at the time we thought they were right.

federov
Post #23
Tuesday June 7, 2016 2:18pm

Joined Dec 2014
Total Posts: 97
Original post from Rey Regicide

do you play basketball or hockey?


Neither. Why?

Rey Regicide
Post #24
Tuesday June 7, 2016 2:22pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
I was going to expand on your point, sometimes our basket ball players (USA born) have the worst concept of space and marking in an un-even match up, like 4 on 3, 2 on 1.

I saw alot of communication in the Uruguay Mexico game, esp when Uruguay went down a man, and they cut the field down pretty well against mexico. Mexico was no slouch etiher, Guardado realized his space was now amplified due ot a tighter Uruguayan scheme and he thought "hey, I used to be a winger, I'm going to wing the middle"

SiteBomb621
Post #25
Tuesday June 7, 2016 9:21pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
The current American Style is the USSF wanting to be Europe so bad that we continually bring in US players that fit that style of play which in the end isn't good enough. The players that even remotely resemble anything Brazil or Argentina can do are labeled lazy, can't track back on Defense and a team hazard.

The OLD American style was excellent condition (a difference from JK's Kill the players by running them to death) and a potent counter attack. Again, the 2011 Gold Cup Final's losing USMNT Side is still more dangerous offensively and defensively (if cherondolo never got hurt) than ANY JK XI or roster has been able to muster.....

dolcem
Post #26
Tuesday June 7, 2016 10:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from SiteBomb621

The current American Style is the USSF wanting to be Europe so bad that we continually bring in US players that fit that style of play which in the end isn't good enough. The players that even remotely resemble anything Brazil or Argentina can do are labeled lazy, can't track back on Defense and a team hazard.

The OLD American style was excellent condition (a difference from JK's Kill the players by running them to death) and a potent counter attack. Again, the 2011 Gold Cup Final's losing USMNT Side is still more dangerous offensively and defensively (if cherondolo never got hurt) than ANY JK XI or roster has been able to muster.....


Yeah, our player pool in 2011 was a lot better than it is now (although it wasn't as deep). So no roster that JK was able to "muster" had as much talent as that team did (Bocanegra, Donovan, Dempsey, and Howard, in their primes, and Cherundolo was as good as ever). How is that JK's fault?

The funniest part though is that you picked that team (rather than our 2009 team, which had the Davies Altidore combo that was so good) because it had Adu on it! Come on man, he didn't have what it takes to be a professional soccer player, get over it!
GET A CLUB TEAM
Jzaval01
Post #27
Sunday June 12, 2016 5:33am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
This is the kind of fight I love from the USMNT. Didnt standdown to anything Paraguay threw at us.

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