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Post #106
Friday July 1, 2016 10:21pm

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Yeah if the US gets that backline in 2014, I like Dempsey's chances.

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Post #107
Friday July 1, 2016 10:40pm

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Original post from dunlopp9987

It'd also be cool if we had anyone even on the same planet as Bale or Ramsey, but yeah...not to mention Belgium's backline today compared to when we played them is a joke.


would be cool but apart from bale and ramsey the rest of the team is average at best. I mean the guy who scored the 2nd goal just got released by reading lol. Danny Williams plays there yet we can seem to fit him somehow. hmmm. Other teams like Portugal and Poland have decent talent plus some world class players in the mix and last night looked as bad as the US in the passing department. Guess thats the benefit of having a manager that understands tactics.

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Post #108
Saturday July 2, 2016 5:19pm

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Mihktyarian or the classic style 10 from Dortmund went to Man U. That has to be good news for Pulisic right? Al

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Post #109
Saturday July 2, 2016 10:43pm

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Lol. These PKs are horrible in this Germany V Italy shootout.

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Post #110
Sunday July 3, 2016 5:04am

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I can't believe that Boateng made his penalty and it was a decent strike. It looked like he was about to soil himself from the second he stepped up.

dolcem
Post #111
Sunday July 3, 2016 10:59am

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Original post from Jzaval01

would be cool but apart from bale and ramsey the rest of the team is average at best. I mean the guy who scored the 2nd goal just got released by reading lol. Danny Williams plays there yet we can seem to fit him somehow. hmmm. Other teams like Portugal and Poland have decent talent plus some world class players in the mix and last night looked as bad as the US in the passing department. Guess thats the benefit of having a manager that understands tactics.


I know, if only he would just pick one of our lineups, then we'd start passing like Barcelona again, just like we did in the days of Coach Bob.
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Post #112
Sunday July 3, 2016 7:59pm

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Nothing against France, but i hope Iceland wins.

MSantoine
Post #113
Monday July 4, 2016 1:57pm

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That's what happens when a talented team attacks an over matches foe. Hungary, Portugal, and England all played timid. France never took their foot off the gas. They played for the 5-3 win instead of trying to get a 1-0 win.

France and Wales are primarily composed of players who either still are or spent portions of their youth developing in England. Ramsey and payet have been two of the best players all tourney. Think we can put to bed the silly guys can't develop
If they're in epl rhetoric.

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Post #114
Monday July 4, 2016 5:23pm

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gotta give credit to iceland for their fighting spirit. 4-0 and still kept going. That love for the national team jersey.

dolcem
Post #115
Monday July 4, 2016 5:31pm

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Original post from MSantoine

That's what happens when a talented team attacks an over matches foe. Hungary, Portugal, and England all played timid. France never took their foot off the gas. They played for the 5-3 win instead of trying to get a 1-0 win.

France and Wales are primarily composed of players who either still are or spent portions of their youth developing in England. Ramsey and payet have been two of the best players all tourney. Think we can put to bed the silly guys can't develop
If they're in epl rhetoric.


Then why does the English national team suck so bad? Bale is the only top player I can think of off the top of my head to have developed in England. Wales has had a really nice run but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of the world's best developed on the continent.
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Post #116
Monday July 4, 2016 5:59pm

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Original post from dolcem

Then why does the English national team suck so bad? Bale is the only top player I can think of off the top of my head to have developed in England. Wales has had a really nice run but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of the world's best developed on the continent.


I would consider Ramsey as a top player.
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Post #117
Monday July 4, 2016 6:23pm

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Original post from MSantoine

That's what happens when a talented team attacks an over matches foe. Hungary, Portugal, and England all played timid. France never took their foot off the gas. They played for the 5-3 win instead of trying to get a 1-0 win.

France and Wales are primarily composed of players who either still are or spent portions of their youth developing in England. Ramsey and payet have been two of the best players all tourney. Think we can put to bed the silly guys can't develop
If they're in epl rhetoric.


Uhm payet I think is 29 and moved to England when he was 26 or 27 his development was in France.

dolcem
Post #118
Monday July 4, 2016 7:45pm

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Original post from dunlopp9987

I would consider Ramsey as a top player.


He's been really inconsistent over the past few years...but yeah, the Arsenal players are usually the exceptional to the rule. Wenger is the one who brought continental European football to England. Basically, many of the best players developed in England came from Arsenal because they play very differently from the traditional English style.
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Post #119
Tuesday July 5, 2016 11:39am

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England is very much like us in that they are transitioning to a new generation. Perhaps they have struggled because there good generation that fell just short (led by Beckham) was followed up by a mediocre group. Now you have guys like Rashford, Kane, Dier, Wilshire, Stones, Sterling, Alli that are all U25 and most of which will be in UCL next year.

Joe Allen & Ben Davies are up and comers for Wales.

De Gea looks to be Spain's #1 for the next decade.

Half of Belgium is made up of guys who have developed in England (Courtois, Origi last year, Lukaku, Benetke, Hazard, etc)

Did you forget that Ronaldo developed in England. Was there as an 18 yr old and become a star he is today because of it.

For France- Pogba was with Man U from 18-21 or 19-22. Thats really when he started becoming the Pogba that is a star now. Kante wasnt in the French national team set up (0 youth appearances), Goes to Leicetser City and 9 months later is starting in Euros. Mangala had just a couple of appearances until he moved to Man City, became a starter there, and now is firmly part of the French team. Lloris, Girouard, Schneiderlin all have spent good portions of their career in England. Yes Payet only spent one year in England so far but before coming to England he had 15 appearances for France and 1 goal. Since then he's had 9 appearances and 5 goals. Cant argue he's been much more improved since strengthening his game in West Ham.

EPL isnt perfect. Due to the fact it has so many imported stars it does make it hard for youngsters to break through (teams like Man City, Chelsea, Man U have so much money they can spend every starter is usually national team starter quality). But to deny that the EPL is high quality, and clearly has some of the best players in the world is over played

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Post #120
Tuesday July 5, 2016 2:12pm

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I'm going on vacation for 12 days. When I get back I am going to do a study of the 2016 Euro/Copa's rosters.

I'll look at the Starters of all the teams that made the group stage and a few others that played very well and/or are stars that we know about (Suarez, Ibra, etc) that just didn't advance. I'll see where those guys did the majority of their developing. Where they played soccer during the most formative years.

First we need to come to a consensus of what the formative years are. I say 15-22 years old as a starting point.
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