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USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #241
Monday June 6, 2016 3:28pm

Joined Jul 2013
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I really don't get what people were expecting or wanting from this game against Colombia, one of the better international teams in the WORLD, with WORLD Class talent all over the attacking third.
Sure Colombia played the game they wanted to play. Ever think that perhaps the USA did too? We held possession and neutralized their strong attack. Our backline played pretty high, people say Bradley was coming back to Cameron and Brooks, I think it was those 2 playing high near Bradley.
There wasn't space between Bradley and the CB's. Which is what you want. If Jones had been there, there would have been loads of space. Putting him at DM would be a huge mistake, he's not disciplined enough. The space was behind the CB's and the GK. But that was by design.
Colombia had very few chances from open play. I think everyone along the back 4 and Bradley played well in defense. They tracked back quickly and neutralized attacks to where Guzan had little to do most of the game.
On the other hand USA wanted to keep possession and neutralize their counter-attack. We did. Our goal was to score on set pieces. We almost did.
This was a very even game and not because Colombia played bad. Open play this was a very even game. The difference wasn't Colombia dominated us, Colombia capitalized on 2 plays. TWO! A corner kick, and a PK (most of the opinions on that are valid, It was a 50/50 call. Which is why you see such different opinions, and yes had it been reversed we would have expected the call and Colombia would not have...At the end of the day Yedlin needs to be smarter and keep his hands in). This game very easily could have ended in a 0-0 draw, and that probably would have been the JUST result.

But alas it wasn't. All this talk by Lalas saying no one played good for the USA, they were all poor, then blaming the loss on JK. Just stupid. You don't play up to the level of Colombia and play even with them and NO ONE have a good game. Just stupid. Also if all the players played badly, and JK played the line-up the majority wanted (for the most part), how exactly would we blame JK? Just stupid.

Guzan, I think TJ nailed it with Guzan.
Yedlin, wasn't as good in attack as he typically is, but I think a LARGE part of that was he was focusing on defense and not wanting to get caught up field. Until we had to press. He and the rest of the defense recognized the threat Colombia had on the counter. Yedlin is fast but so is Colombia. Yedlin played well on defense and had no big mistakes and covered well. That's what we have wanted from him. Amazing to me that he plays exactly how we needed him to in this match and people are down on him. WHAT DO YOU WANT?
Cameron and Brooks played well. Yes Cameron got caught on that Corner, but outside of that him and Brooks largely neutralized James and Bacca (not an easy task). I think Brooks especially played OUTSTANDING. How Lalas could look at his performance and say it wasn't good. Dude is such a tool and so clueless (because of his blind hate for JK).
FabJo - see Yedlin comments. People before were saying how bad of a defender he was, that he was a Winger, etc. FabJo played well defensively against one of the best Wings in the world. Largely shutting him down. Of course he didn't give much in attack. No LB in the world would if they were tasked with staying with Cuadrado. Just silly to think otherwise.
Bradley at DM. Personally his positioning was good and he helped Brooks and Cameron with James and Bacca. Defensively he played well. His passing was off at times, sure it was, and he didn't offer much going forward this game, but again part of that was him being disciplined, knowing what Bacca and James can do if he allowed to much space between him and the CB's.

Overall Defensively we played one of our better games in awhile. All of the interceptions, takeaways, etc that we had. Outstanding. When was the last time you saw American defenders routinely take the ball away in 1v1 situations against World Class Players? More or less so many times in ONE GAME. Just about all of them had a nice takeaway or 2 at some point.

Bedoya I thought played very well, except for messing up his change at a goal. I think that miss took all the wind out of the USA. However you look at his play, his work rate, his passing for much of the game, etc. He plays like that the rest of the tournament and he will get a move to a bigger club.
Jones I thought was lackluster. Personally I think he had the worst performance. He was all over the place but did nothing. No key passes, no interceptions, etc. He was basically a ghost. If not for his hair would anyone have noticed him? He needs to be benched for Nagbe going forward, especially since we will need to press and score and win both games.
I thought Zardes was the best going forward. Think he played a very nice game. He plays like that all tournament and he will be moving overseas too. He was very dangerous with some of his runs, Unfortunately he had nothing to pass to most of the time. Can't say how many times we had the ball out wide with nice runs and we had NOTHING in the center for them to get the ball too. I am perhaps Zardes biggest detractor, but that is 2 solid to good games in a row. Very pleased with his performance.
Wood was ok, but not good enough. We need more out of him these next 2 games.
Dempsey was ok for the first 30-40 minutes. Not good, but ok. But after that he pretty much fell apart and was pretty bad. He just stalls our attack too often, and he doesn't make the necessary runs to combine with people. Someone on this thread said it already he is a lone wolf.

Would love to see Pulisic-Wood-Zardes with Nagbe - Bradley - Bedoya against Costa Rica.
But the starting line up will likely stay the same.

Back 4 absolutely needs to stay the same.

We went toe to toe with one of the better teams and stood in there and matched their physical level of play. TWO plays failed us. That's what separates good teams from Great teams and good players from Great players. Right now we have a good team and good players. Colombia has a great team and great players.

Personally I am pleased and excited for the rest of the tournament. If we play like that we will advance with 3 over Costa Rica and Paraguay. Then it will depend on our opponent.
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kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #242
Monday June 6, 2016 4:38pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
@gunner

I agree with 99% of what you said. I think the reason I am so upset is that it was so tight. 2-0 does not tell the tale of the game. I thought we had better, at least even chances from open play. As far as player assessment goes...I guess that's where I'm a bit frustrated. MB- he just has to be better! he can't be lackluster on the ball and give it away. We are making too many excuses for him. Jones-yep he was real bad. Yeddy- decent but again gave the ball away too much. Errant passes. I know that not his game but I swear sometimes he looks like a U8 just kicking the ball up the pitch with no purpose. Cam- I already stated I was over critical earlier. He feel asleep on the corner. I like him at CB and think he should continue to start. I was hoping for a draw and yes, two plays cost us that. But what happened on those two plays I guess is "what I want". Cam can't fall asleep like that, I know it happens but c'mon man. Big tourney less than 10 minuets into the match and it wasn't even a real "pick". Has to be sharper. And the entire reason Yedlin was in the position to give up a PK (besides obvious reason) is because MD gave the ball away in the middle of the park. That is what I want. Not to make bonehead plays that cost the game. It wasn't really anything Columbia did to us. We shot ourselves in the foot by not being quite good enough, sharp enough or playing at what I think our highest level is.

tjknowsall
Post #243
Monday June 6, 2016 5:24pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
That starting lineup I would've to see but klinsy won't bench Dempsey and many of the reasons being pretty valid even in w game where he isn't at his best he can produce that moment of magic

munns5986
Post #244
Monday June 6, 2016 5:24pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 272
I agree Gunner. Usually during USMNT games there is at least a portion of the game where I am completely nervous. That didn't happen in this game. I keep seeing people talk about we played right into the way Colombia wanted us to play so they actually dominated the game. I am sure Colombia's game plan was for their best player to be completely neutralized. Rodriguez didn't bother me once the whole game. I don't expect penalties to be saved. Their left wing got some nice shots off but they weren't too much trouble. He was going to shoot every time he got the ball. Cuadrado is one of the best wings in the world. He had some pressuring moments but he didn't dominate either in my opinion. Loved Brooks beast moding him though.

Bradley's play after the turnover that led to the PK wasn't good. Defensively they were still sound but everything else he just pressed to much. Jones was nonexistent.

I do not think Dempsey will be subbed out so the only change I would make is Nagbe for Jones.

Dempsey needs to stay forward more though. I know that is not his game but when we did get the ball down the wing I just felt no one was there to receive a pass.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #245
Monday June 6, 2016 7:05pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Oh I don't think we'll see any changes. That's just what I would like to see. I think we would be a lot more fluid on both ends with that lineup than with Dempsey and Jones.

Dempsey is not aging well. He is really not international caliber anymore. It's time we wake up to that fact. He can still (and probably will) score a goal here and there for us and maybe a big goal. But minute in and minute out he just doesn't play well enough. Doesn't connect with teammates and/or fit in to what we are trying to do. This team will play better with him coming off the bench.

By 2018 he will be a Super Sub at best. Kind of like Miroslav Klose for Germany in 2014. Just not as good.

Altidore (who I love) looks to be getting passed up. Just too many injuries and too much missed time. Can't find a groove. If we are in this 4-3-3 (which I expect us to be), and Morris, Wood, and Pulisic continue on their current trajectory (or even fall off slightly) I expect those 3 will start up top. Then maybe bring Dempsey/Altidore (not both) and 1 more striker.

Dempsey is done. This will be his last major tournament as a main starter.
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kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #246
Monday June 6, 2016 7:44pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
He starts tomorrow..... and scores.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #247
Monday June 6, 2016 7:49pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from kicksNgiggles10

He starts tomorrow..... and scores.


Good chance. Yet for 85' he'll do nothing more than hurt our flow.
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kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #248
Monday June 6, 2016 8:20pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
Original post from USAGunner

Good chance. Yet for 85' he'll do nothing more than hurt our flow.

I wouldn't disagree with that. But I guess we shall wait and see.

dunlopp9987
Post #249
Monday June 6, 2016 9:18pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,642
http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2016/6/4/11857...

No comment.
COYB!!
USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #250
Monday June 6, 2016 9:58pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from dunlopp9987

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2016/6/4/11857...

No comment.


Some issues with this. Colombia wasn't poor. The USA outside of the Corner and the handball played very good defense. It wasn't Colombia playing bad, the US back 4 played very well. Intercepting the ball, Closing down very quickly and not allowing Colombia space to operate. If this back 4 had played against Belgium, they would have had a quarter of the shots, Howard wouldn't have given up a goal, and Julian Green would have hit the "WINNER".

I hate how people do that. Automatically place the burden on the opposing team, that THEY played bad, and not on the USA played well (in that aspect) and forced Colombia into some mistakes of their own. GIVE OUR BOYS SOME CREDIT!

Hate that as much as I hate the JK haters calling for his head after he did what most have been clamoring for, we played possession football, tried to stay on the attack and play a tiki-taka type game, with the formation/players most wanted (never going to satisfy everyone). At some point you just have to realize and come to the conclusion that RIGHT now in 2016 with this crop of players, we just aren't good enough. We aren't as good as Colombia. We aren't as good as Mexico, We aren't as good as Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, or Argentina. We just aren't.
We are stuck in no man's land for now at the end of an era and waiting for the next generation to step up (while the current mediocre generation is just bleh).

Patience.
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dunlopp9987
Post #251
Monday June 6, 2016 10:09pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,642
Original post from USAGunner

Some issues with this. Colombia wasn't poor. The USA outside of the Corner and the handball played very good defense. It wasn't Colombia playing bad, the US back 4 played very well. Intercepting the ball, Closing down very quickly and not allowing Colombia space to operate. If this back 4 had played against Belgium, they would have had a quarter of the shots, Howard wouldn't have given up a goal, and Julian Green would have hit the "WINNER".

I hate how people do that. Automatically place the burden on the opposing team, that THEY played bad, and not on the USA played well (in that aspect) and forced Colombia into some mistakes of their own. GIVE OUR BOYS SOME CREDIT!

Hate that as much as I hate the JK haters calling for his head after he did what most have been clamoring for, we played possession football, tried to stay on the attack and play a tiki-taka type game, with the formation/players most wanted (never going to satisfy everyone). At some point you just have to realize and come to the conclusion that RIGHT now in 2016 with this crop of players, we just aren't good enough. We aren't as good as Colombia. We aren't as good as Mexico, We aren't as good as Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, or Argentina. We just aren't.
We are stuck in no man's land for now at the end of an era and waiting for the next generation to step up (while the current mediocre generation is just bleh).

Patience.


Ding ding ding.
COYB!!
blaise213
Post #252
Monday June 6, 2016 10:39pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,994
The main problems are:

1. Dempsey shouldn't be an automatic starter
2. Bradley/Jones combo doesn't work
3. Bradley shouldn't start against technical/South American teams
4. Fabian needs to be LW
5. Klinsmann hanicapped this roster because once again we're seeing the players that don't work with a bench of even worse players

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #253
Monday June 6, 2016 11:01pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,158
I was just disappointed that the team lost on two dumb mistakes.

1. Cameron on a pick loses Zapata who slots in a nice volley.

2.Bradley with a horrendous giveaway leads to the Yedlin handball.

I thought the game was fairly even until dumb mental errors gave them the win.

bjelks
Post #254
Tuesday June 7, 2016 4:44am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,363
It's as simple as injecting some playmaking. We got to take advantage of our half chances. Bring on Nagbe for Jones and Pullisic for Wood.

Zardes
Dempsey

Pullisic Nagbe Bedoya

Bradley

Fab JAB Cam Yedlin

Wood for Zardes, Demps or Pulisic
Jones for Bedoya or Pulisic and switch to 4-3-3
Zusi if needed for wing play
goalsense
MSantoine
Post #255
Tuesday June 7, 2016 11:58am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from USAGunner

Some issues with this. Colombia wasn't poor. The USA outside of the Corner and the handball played very good defense. It wasn't Colombia playing bad, the US back 4 played very well. Intercepting the ball, Closing down very quickly and not allowing Colombia space to operate. If this back 4 had played against Belgium, they would have had a quarter of the shots, Howard wouldn't have given up a goal, and Julian Green would have hit the "WINNER".

I hate how people do that. Automatically place the burden on the opposing team, that THEY played bad, and not on the USA played well (in that aspect) and forced Colombia into some mistakes of their own. GIVE OUR BOYS SOME CREDIT!

Hate that as much as I hate the JK haters calling for his head after he did what most have been clamoring for, we played possession football, tried to stay on the attack and play a tiki-taka type game, with the formation/players most wanted (never going to satisfy everyone). At some point you just have to realize and come to the conclusion that RIGHT now in 2016 with this crop of players, we just aren't good enough. We aren't as good as Colombia. We aren't as good as Mexico, We aren't as good as Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, or Argentina. We just aren't.
We are stuck in no man's land for now at the end of an era and waiting for the next generation to step up (while the current mediocre generation is just bleh).

Patience.


Exactly. Look at the World Cup roster from just two years ago and look at the roster now. In two years we've gotten better everywhere but goalie.
GK-2014 Howard/Guzan/Rimando , 2016- Guzan/Howard/Horvath.
Howard was a world class goalie then. Guzan isnt now. Horvath could but hes several years away.
D-2014 Fab, Besler, Omar, beasley, Chandler, Cam, Brooks, Evans
2016 Yedlin, Cam, Brooks, Fab, Castillo, Besler, Birnbaum, Orozco
In 2014 Brooks, and Cam barely played. Now they are starters week in and week out. Fab went back to the left side, his strength. Yedlin developed into an EPL caliber RB. Our bench now is as good as our starters then.
Mid- 2014- Bradley, beckerman, Jones, Zusi, Bedoya, Mix, Davis, Green
2016- Bradley, Bedoya, Nagbe, Jones, Pulisic, Kitchen, Beckerman, Zusi
Another place of huge growth. In 2014 we relied on guys like Beckerman & Zusi. Now they are bench warmers. Guys like Mix & Davis dont even sniff the roster anymore. Pulisic is already better than what Green was.
FWD- 2014- Dempsey, Jozy, Wondo, Aron. 2016- Dempsey, Wood, Zardes, Wondo
Again nice increase in talent. Mr glass Jozy is being phased out. Wood looks to be the type of forward we've been looking for. Zardes, although he has his weaknesses, is still better than Wondo ever was. If Aron recovers from his injury to replace Wondo (or Morris) it will look even more like a huge win for the new team.

Its clear that our roster has gotten more talented. Now we just need to turn that talent increase into wins.

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